Fights at school

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Anonymous wrote:When my DC was in middle school couple of years back they recorded a fight but did not post on social media. They did share the video with friends. My DC was reprimanded for recording the fight and asked to delete the video. I now think it was to protect the principal and the school’s image more than anything.

No. It’s not. There isn’t a conspiracy theory. We want to discourage (teacher here) this type of behavior. If we normalize it, then any video out there will become a record of someone’s behavior. I personally tell my students to never ever share. #1. You don’t know the whole situation. #2 Video can be edited and posted to show an entirely different story. #3 what stays
on the internet is forever. #4 now you are in trouble too! It’s a tenant of digital literacy to be mindful of what you share. Please remind your kids about the importance of social media and cell phone safety. They really don’t want today’s mistakes (really learning experiences) to affect them possibly down the road.

That's exactly the point. There *should* be a record of this behavior. It's the only way it will be addressed.

Do you think Ray Rice would have received the punishment he did if there hadn't been a video? Of course not, the NFL would have been pleased to give him a slap on the wrist. If was only with the video that he received the appropriate sanction.

If it’s unedited video and shows the whole story. I would worry about innocent people protecting themselves in self defense. Remember the NYC Karen last year?? Horrifying how she was vilified by the public. But she’s an adult. Can you imagine the mental anguish of a child who is posted publicly? Cyber attacks can lead to worse outcomes - including suicide.

Wonder what else leads to suicide on a much greater scale.

Bullying!!!!

Jesus. Can’t you people ever just have a conversation? Posting videos of fights on social media is bullying. Healthy people do not do that.

Posting it on social media is a different issue. The issue here is simply being punished for taking the video.

Correct. They are related but distinct issues.

Posting on social media for the sake of humiliating a child is not good. But posting on social media to expose the reality of the dangerous school environment is. MCPS would need to craft a nuanced policy that restricts the former without blocking the latter. But that's not their goal anyway. Their goal is to not look bad so it serves them to just say no recording at all.

[Anonymous]

There are different levels. Most kids who record videos absolutely are doing this for clout. It will be air dropped and anyone close by will get it. My DS has been air-dropped videos of things he never even saw or knew who sent it. That is 💯 something I expect a an admin to stop. If a kid is feeling attacked, overwhelmed, and pulls out his phone to record and only shows the school and parents - there should be no punishment. Kids who aren’t involved shouldn’t be recording. That can open up potential issues- including more severe bullying, legal ramifications, ect.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There are different levels. Most kids who record videos absolutely are doing this for clout. It will be air dropped and anyone close by will get it. My DS has been air-dropped videos of things he never even saw or knew who sent it. That is 💯 something I expect a an admin to stop. If a kid is feeling attacked, overwhelmed, and pulls out his phone to record and only shows the school and parents - there should be no punishment. Kids who aren’t involved shouldn’t be recording. That can open up potential issues- including more severe bullying, legal ramifications, ect.

Kids who are being attacked are not in the position to film their assaults. The documentation by those standing by can be vital for justice and accountability. Again: if a bystander hadn't recorded George Floyd's assault by a police officer, they likely would not have been held accountable. You can't make a blanket rule like this.

Also: Students still have 1st amendment rights that are not stripped away because they're in school. Prohibiting and restricting students from recording what's happening in a public school seems like it might violate 1st amendment rights. Especially since those same schools allow those same students to record themselves doing dances in the hallway and classroom for TikTok.

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Anonymous wrote:Seems like as long as it is not shared on line, a video could be helpful to school admin.

But as we have seen over and over, one video doesn’t usually tell the entire story. What led up to the start of the video?

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Anonymous wrote:When my DC was in middle school couple of years back they recorded a fight but did not post on social media. They did share the video with friends. My DC was reprimanded for recording the fight and asked to delete the video. I now think it was to protect the principal and the school’s image more than anything.

No. It’s not. There isn’t a conspiracy theory. We want to discourage (teacher here) this type of behavior. If we normalize it, then any video out there will become a record of someone’s behavior. I personally tell my students to never ever share. #1. You don’t know the whole situation. #2 Video can be edited and posted to show an entirely different story. #3 what stays
on the internet is forever. #4 now you are in trouble too! It’s a tenant of digital literacy to be mindful of what you share. Please remind your kids about the importance of social media and cell phone safety. They really don’t want today’s mistakes (really learning experiences) to affect them possibly down the road.

That's exactly the point. There *should* be a record of this behavior. It's the only way it will be addressed.

Do you think Ray Rice would have received the punishment he did if there hadn't been a video? Of course not, the NFL would have been pleased to give him a slap on the wrist. If was only with the video that he received the appropriate sanction.

If it’s unedited video and shows the whole story. I would worry about innocent people protecting themselves in self defense. Remember the NYC Karen last year?? Horrifying how she was vilified by the public. But she’s an adult. Can you imagine the mental anguish of a child who is posted publicly? Cyber attacks can lead to worse outcomes - including suicide.

Wonder what else leads to suicide on a much greater scale.

Bullying!!!!

Jesus. Can’t you people ever just have a conversation? Posting videos of fights on social media is bullying. Healthy people do not do that.

Posting it on social media is a different issue. The issue here is simply being punished for taking the video.

Correct. They are related but distinct issues.

Posting on social media for the sake of humiliating a child is not good. But posting on social media to expose the reality of the dangerous school environment is. MCPS would need to craft a nuanced policy that restricts the former without blocking the latter. But that's not their goal anyway. Their goal is to not look bad so it serves them to just say no recording at all.

Fights are a reality of schools all around the country. Posting anything on social media without knowing the whole story or having actual facts is the wrong way to go about it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There are different levels. Most kids who record videos absolutely are doing this for clout. It will be air dropped and anyone close by will get it. My DS has been air-dropped videos of things he never even saw or knew who sent it. That is 💯 something I expect a an admin to stop. If a kid is feeling attacked, overwhelmed, and pulls out his phone to record and only shows the school and parents - there should be no punishment. Kids who aren’t involved shouldn’t be recording. That can open up potential issues- including more severe bullying, legal ramifications, ect.

Kids who are being attacked are not in the position to film their assaults. The documentation by those standing by can be vital for justice and accountability. Again: if a bystander hadn't recorded George Floyd's assault by a police officer, they likely would not have been held accountable. You can't make a blanket rule like this.

Also: Students still have 1st amendment rights that are not stripped away because they're in school. Prohibiting and restricting students from recording what's happening in a public school seems like it might violate 1st amendment rights. Especially since those same schools allow those same students to record themselves doing dances in the hallway and classroom for TikTok.

Hard disagree. Again. Unless it happened in the bathroom or a classroom, it’s already on camera. All students have rights. Including not to be recorded and have it used against them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:As I understand the law if you can see it with your eyes then you can take a photograph or video. No invasion of privacy. That said, doing something with that photo / video could just turn a hallway scrap into parking lot brawl or worse. So don't post or pass it around. You are just making things worse. And I am supposing that is why those kids get suspended also?

You don't understand the law. Students cannot film other students w/o permission on school property.

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Let’s stop this. Students who film a fight and share it with Administration, a teacher, or someone of authority as evidence or protection are not being reprimanded. What is getting out of hand and getting people in trouble is kids videoing disturbing things for social media attention and air dropping to others for petty gossip. It’s a trend that school staff and law enforcement is trying to curb as it leads to greater incidences of violence.

Folks on here claiming to care about school safety and yet can’t support this. SMH

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:As I understand the law if you can see it with your eyes then you can take a photograph or video. No invasion of privacy. That said, doing something with that photo / video could just turn a hallway scrap into parking lot brawl or worse. So don't post or pass it around. You are just making things worse. And I am supposing that is why those kids get suspended also?

You don't understand the law. Students cannot film other students w/o permission on school property.

Where does it say that?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There are different levels. Most kids who record videos absolutely are doing this for clout. It will be air dropped and anyone close by will get it. My DS has been air-dropped videos of things he never even saw or knew who sent it. That is 💯 something I expect a an admin to stop. If a kid is feeling attacked, overwhelmed, and pulls out his phone to record and only shows the school and parents - there should be no punishment. Kids who aren’t involved shouldn’t be recording. That can open up potential issues- including more severe bullying, legal ramifications, ect.

Kids who are being attacked are not in the position to film their assaults. The documentation by those standing by can be vital for justice and accountability. Again: if a bystander hadn't recorded George Floyd's assault by a police officer, they likely would not have been held accountable. You can't make a blanket rule like this.

Also: Students still have 1st amendment rights that are not stripped away because they're in school. Prohibiting and restricting students from recording what's happening in a public school seems like it might violate 1st amendment rights. Especially since those same schools allow those same students to record themselves doing dances in the hallway and classroom for TikTok.

Hard disagree. Again. Unless it happened in the bathroom or a classroom, it’s already on camera. All students have rights. Including not to be recorded and have it used against them.

That’s not an actual right ❄️

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Let’s stop this. Students who film a fight and share it with Administration, a teacher, or someone of authority as evidence or protection are not being reprimanded. What is getting out of hand and getting people in trouble is kids videoing disturbing things for social media attention and air dropping to others for petty gossip. It’s a trend that school staff and law enforcement is trying to curb as it leads to greater incidences of violence.

Folks on here claiming to care about school safety and yet can’t support this. SMH

So then the solution is to punish those who post on social media and not the ones who simply record?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There are different levels. Most kids who record videos absolutely are doing this for clout. It will be air dropped and anyone close by will get it. My DS has been air-dropped videos of things he never even saw or knew who sent it. That is 💯 something I expect a an admin to stop. If a kid is feeling attacked, overwhelmed, and pulls out his phone to record and only shows the school and parents - there should be no punishment. Kids who aren’t involved shouldn’t be recording. That can open up potential issues- including more severe bullying, legal ramifications, ect.

Kids who are being attacked are not in the position to film their assaults. The documentation by those standing by can be vital for justice and accountability. Again: if a bystander hadn't recorded George Floyd's assault by a police officer, they likely would not have been held accountable. You can't make a blanket rule like this.

Also: Students still have 1st amendment rights that are not stripped away because they're in school. Prohibiting and restricting students from recording what's happening in a public school seems like it might violate 1st amendment rights. Especially since those same schools allow those same students to record themselves doing dances in the hallway and classroom for TikTok.

Hard disagree. Again. Unless it happened in the bathroom or a classroom, it’s already on camera. All students have rights. Including not to be recorded and have it used against them.

That’s not an actual right ❄️

Ok. Well the government disagrees. Look up FERPA. ❄️☃️ that was cute. I built a snowman. Hope you like it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are different levels. Most kids who record videos absolutely are doing this for clout. It will be air dropped and anyone close by will get it. My DS has been air-dropped videos of things he never even saw or knew who sent it. That is 💯 something I expect a an admin to stop. If a kid is feeling attacked, overwhelmed, and pulls out his phone to record and only shows the school and parents - there should be no punishment. Kids who aren’t involved shouldn’t be recording. That can open up potential issues- including more severe bullying, legal ramifications, ect.

Kids who are being attacked are not in the position to film their assaults. The documentation by those standing by can be vital for justice and accountability. Again: if a bystander hadn't recorded George Floyd's assault by a police officer, they likely would not have been held accountable. You can't make a blanket rule like this.

Also: Students still have 1st amendment rights that are not stripped away because they're in school. Prohibiting and restricting students from recording what's happening in a public school seems like it might violate 1st amendment rights. Especially since those same schools allow those same students to record themselves doing dances in the hallway and classroom for TikTok.

Hard disagree. Again. Unless it happened in the bathroom or a classroom, it’s already on camera. All students have rights. Including not to be recorded and have it used against them.

That’s not an actual right ❄️

Ok. Well the government disagrees. Look up FERPA. ❄️☃️ that was cute. I built a snowman. Hope you like it.

So no right to privacy from the administration, just from other students? Am I getting it now?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are different levels. Most kids who record videos absolutely are doing this for clout. It will be air dropped and anyone close by will get it. My DS has been air-dropped videos of things he never even saw or knew who sent it. That is 💯 something I expect a an admin to stop. If a kid is feeling attacked, overwhelmed, and pulls out his phone to record and only shows the school and parents - there should be no punishment. Kids who aren’t involved shouldn’t be recording. That can open up potential issues- including more severe bullying, legal ramifications, ect.

Kids who are being attacked are not in the position to film their assaults. The documentation by those standing by can be vital for justice and accountability. Again: if a bystander hadn't recorded George Floyd's assault by a police officer, they likely would not have been held accountable. You can't make a blanket rule like this.

Also: Students still have 1st amendment rights that are not stripped away because they're in school. Prohibiting and restricting students from recording what's happening in a public school seems like it might violate 1st amendment rights. Especially since those same schools allow those same students to record themselves doing dances in the hallway and classroom for TikTok.

Hard disagree. Again. Unless it happened in the bathroom or a classroom, it’s already on camera. All students have rights. Including not to be recorded and have it used against them.

That’s not an actual right ❄️

Ok. Well the government disagrees. Look up FERPA. ❄️☃️ that was cute. I built a snowman. Hope you like it.

So no right to privacy from the administration, just from other students? Am I getting it now?

I am not an admin, but from reading it, it appears that if a video/photo becomes part of a student's educational record (not talking about tik tok dancing), then yes, it's subject to the privacy laws in school. It seems what constitutes an education record depends on the administration I would assume, but if it is to be used in any type of disciplinary action, then it is now the property of the school. As a parent, you most likely know that it's illegal to record your children without your consent. All students are still subject to privacy laws regarding minors. They cannot have their privacy violated on school grounds. It's so important to recognize that. This is very uncharted territory; I imagine laws will firm up as we progress in our use of personal tech devices.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:When my DC was in middle school couple of years back they recorded a fight but did not post on social media. They did share the video with friends. My DC was reprimanded for recording the fight and asked to delete the video. I now think it was to protect the principal and the school’s image more than anything.

No. It’s not. There isn’t a conspiracy theory. We want to discourage (teacher here) this type of behavior. If we normalize it, then any video out there will become a record of someone’s behavior. I personally tell my students to never ever share. #1. You don’t know the whole situation. #2 Video can be edited and posted to show an entirely different story. #3 what stays
on the internet is forever. #4 now you are in trouble too! It’s a tenant of digital literacy to be mindful of what you share. Please remind your kids about the importance of social media and cell phone safety. They really don’t want today’s mistakes (really learning experiences) to affect them possibly down the road.

Well when you (teachers and the administration) start doing a better job of protecting our kids while in your care, I'll wholeheartedly support you in this digital literacy load of crap you just spewed. Until then, I totally believe that you all are just trying to CYO. You can't even make the students put their phones down during class in fear of them attacking you.

This is true. Another teacher here. Yesterday a student said FU to me during class because I asked him to remove his phone from the desk and put it in his backpack. And he refused to put his phone away and there was nothing I could do because there are literally no rules at my hs. Admin does absolutely nothing

Teacher, what did YOU do about the student saying FU?