Fights at school

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Anonymous wrote:There are different levels. Most kids who record videos absolutely are doing this for clout. It will be air dropped and anyone close by will get it. My DS has been air-dropped videos of things he never even saw or knew who sent it. That is 💯 something I expect a an admin to stop. If a kid is feeling attacked, overwhelmed, and pulls out his phone to record and only shows the school and parents - there should be no punishment. Kids who aren’t involved shouldn’t be recording. That can open up potential issues- including more severe bullying, legal ramifications, ect.

Kids who are being attacked are not in the position to film their assaults. The documentation by those standing by can be vital for justice and accountability. Again: if a bystander hadn't recorded George Floyd's assault by a police officer, they likely would not have been held accountable. You can't make a blanket rule like this.

Also: Students still have 1st amendment rights that are not stripped away because they're in school. Prohibiting and restricting students from recording what's happening in a public school seems like it might violate 1st amendment rights. Especially since those same schools allow those same students to record themselves doing dances in the hallway and classroom for TikTok.

Hard disagree. Again. Unless it happened in the bathroom or a classroom, it’s already on camera. All students have rights. Including not to be recorded and have it used against them.

That’s not an actual right ❄️

Ok. Well the government disagrees. Look up FERPA. ❄️☃️ that was cute. I built a snowman. Hope you like it.

So no right to privacy from the administration, just from other students? Am I getting it now?

I am not an admin, but from reading it, it appears that if a video/photo becomes part of a student's educational record (not talking about tik tok dancing), then yes, it's subject to the privacy laws in school. It seems what constitutes an education record depends on the administration I would assume, but if it is to be used in any type of disciplinary action, then it is now the property of the school. As a parent, you most likely know that it's illegal to record your children without your consent. All students are still subject to privacy laws regarding minors. They cannot have their privacy violated on school grounds. It's so important to recognize that. This is very uncharted territory; I imagine laws will firm up as we progress in our use of personal tech devices.

What laws are you referring to specifically? I’d like you to point them me.

[Anonymous]

If the said children are in public, it is most certainly not against the law to film them. I think you need to be a little more educated on the law.

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Anonymous wrote:If the said children are in public, it is most certainly not against the law to film them. I think you need to be a little more educated on the law.

No I don't. It's pretty clear.

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Anonymous wrote:There are different levels. Most kids who record videos absolutely are doing this for clout. It will be air dropped and anyone close by will get it. My DS has been air-dropped videos of things he never even saw or knew who sent it. That is 💯 something I expect a an admin to stop. If a kid is feeling attacked, overwhelmed, and pulls out his phone to record and only shows the school and parents - there should be no punishment. Kids who aren’t involved shouldn’t be recording. That can open up potential issues- including more severe bullying, legal ramifications, ect.

Kids who are being attacked are not in the position to film their assaults. The documentation by those standing by can be vital for justice and accountability. Again: if a bystander hadn't recorded George Floyd's assault by a police officer, they likely would not have been held accountable. You can't make a blanket rule like this.

Also: Students still have 1st amendment rights that are not stripped away because they're in school. Prohibiting and restricting students from recording what's happening in a public school seems like it might violate 1st amendment rights. Especially since those same schools allow those same students to record themselves doing dances in the hallway and classroom for TikTok.

Hard disagree. Again. Unless it happened in the bathroom or a classroom, it’s already on camera. All students have rights. Including not to be recorded and have it used against them.

That’s not an actual right ❄️

Ok. Well the government disagrees. Look up FERPA. ❄️☃️ that was cute. I built a snowman. Hope you like it.

So no right to privacy from the administration, just from other students? Am I getting it now?

I am not an admin, but from reading it, it appears that if a video/photo becomes part of a student's educational record (not talking about tik tok dancing), then yes, it's subject to the privacy laws in school. It seems what constitutes an education record depends on the administration I would assume, but if it is to be used in any type of disciplinary action, then it is now the property of the school. As a parent, you most likely know that it's illegal to record your children without your consent. All students are still subject to privacy laws regarding minors. They cannot have their privacy violated on school grounds. It's so important to recognize that. This is very uncharted territory; I imagine laws will firm up as we progress in our use of personal tech devices.

What laws are you referring to specifically? I’d like you to point them me.

FERPA. Lots of literature/info on it. Honestly, all parents should be familiar with privacy law in schools. It may protect your child.

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Anonymous wrote:If the said children are in public, it is most certainly not against the law to film them. I think you need to be a little more educated on the law.

School buildings are not the same thing as public spaces. It's limited. You don't want anyone and everyone going into a school building, right?

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Anonymous wrote:What happens if your child films a fight at school during school hours? Do they get in trouble for filming it?

Your child gets in real trouble for violating the tech policy while the students who got in the fight get RJ and the principal gets nothing for violating the policy on notifying police. This seems odd but only your child put MCPS’s reputation at risk by creating evidence, so it’s only right that they face the most severe consequences.

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Anonymous wrote:There are different levels. Most kids who record videos absolutely are doing this for clout. It will be air dropped and anyone close by will get it. My DS has been air-dropped videos of things he never even saw or knew who sent it. That is 💯 something I expect a an admin to stop. If a kid is feeling attacked, overwhelmed, and pulls out his phone to record and only shows the school and parents - there should be no punishment. Kids who aren’t involved shouldn’t be recording. That can open up potential issues- including more severe bullying, legal ramifications, ect.

Kids who are being attacked are not in the position to film their assaults. The documentation by those standing by can be vital for justice and accountability. Again: if a bystander hadn't recorded George Floyd's assault by a police officer, they likely would not have been held accountable. You can't make a blanket rule like this.

Also: Students still have 1st amendment rights that are not stripped away because they're in school. Prohibiting and restricting students from recording what's happening in a public school seems like it might violate 1st amendment rights. Especially since those same schools allow those same students to record themselves doing dances in the hallway and classroom for TikTok.

Hard disagree. Again. Unless it happened in the bathroom or a classroom, it’s already on camera. All students have rights. Including not to be recorded and have it used against them.

That’s not an actual right ❄️

Ok. Well the government disagrees. Look up FERPA. ❄️☃️ that was cute. I built a snowman. Hope you like it.

So no right to privacy from the administration, just from other students? Am I getting it now?

I am not an admin, but from reading it, it appears that if a video/photo becomes part of a student's educational record (not talking about tik tok dancing), then yes, it's subject to the privacy laws in school. It seems what constitutes an education record depends on the administration I would assume, but if it is to be used in any type of disciplinary action, then it is now the property of the school. As a parent, you most likely know that it's illegal to record your children without your consent. All students are still subject to privacy laws regarding minors. They cannot have their privacy violated on school grounds. It's so important to recognize that. This is very uncharted territory; I imagine laws will firm up as we progress in our use of personal tech devices.

What laws are you referring to specifically? I’d like you to point them me.

FERPA. Lots of literature/info on it. Honestly, all parents should be familiar with privacy law in schools. It may protect your child.

Not everything that happens in school is a student record. You should get familiar with the case law and the exclusions to the definition of student records.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What happens if your child films a fight at school during school hours? Do they get in trouble for filming it?

Your child gets in real trouble for violating the tech policy while the students who got in the fight get RJ and the principal gets nothing for violating the policy on notifying police. This seems odd but only your child put MCPS’s reputation at risk by creating evidence, so it’s only right that they face the most severe consequences.

What? This makes no sense.

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Anonymous wrote:There are different levels. Most kids who record videos absolutely are doing this for clout. It will be air dropped and anyone close by will get it. My DS has been air-dropped videos of things he never even saw or knew who sent it. That is 💯 something I expect a an admin to stop. If a kid is feeling attacked, overwhelmed, and pulls out his phone to record and only shows the school and parents - there should be no punishment. Kids who aren’t involved shouldn’t be recording. That can open up potential issues- including more severe bullying, legal ramifications, ect.

Kids who are being attacked are not in the position to film their assaults. The documentation by those standing by can be vital for justice and accountability. Again: if a bystander hadn't recorded George Floyd's assault by a police officer, they likely would not have been held accountable. You can't make a blanket rule like this.

Also: Students still have 1st amendment rights that are not stripped away because they're in school. Prohibiting and restricting students from recording what's happening in a public school seems like it might violate 1st amendment rights. Especially since those same schools allow those same students to record themselves doing dances in the hallway and classroom for TikTok.

Hard disagree. Again. Unless it happened in the bathroom or a classroom, it’s already on camera. All students have rights. Including not to be recorded and have it used against them.

That’s not an actual right ❄️

Ok. Well the government disagrees. Look up FERPA. ❄️☃️ that was cute. I built a snowman. Hope you like it.

So no right to privacy from the administration, just from other students? Am I getting it now?

I am not an admin, but from reading it, it appears that if a video/photo becomes part of a student's educational record (not talking about tik tok dancing), then yes, it's subject to the privacy laws in school. It seems what constitutes an education record depends on the administration I would assume, but if it is to be used in any type of disciplinary action, then it is now the property of the school. As a parent, you most likely know that it's illegal to record your children without your consent. All students are still subject to privacy laws regarding minors. They cannot have their privacy violated on school grounds. It's so important to recognize that. This is very uncharted territory; I imagine laws will firm up as we progress in our use of personal tech devices.

What laws are you referring to specifically? I’d like you to point them me.

FERPA. Lots of literature/info on it. Honestly, all parents should be familiar with privacy law in schools. It may protect your child.

Not everything that happens in school is a student record. You should get familiar with the case law and the exclusions to the definition of student records.

I mentioned that. Thanks. You should really contribute to the conversation with value instead of snark. We would move forward then.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Yes there is consequences for the kid that films at least at our MCPS high school.

In the case I know of personally, the kid filming and sharing received a five day suspension. The kids fighting received a ten day suspension plus a hearing before they could come back.

I see so many fight videos and have never heard of a suspension.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes there is consequences for the kid that films at least at our MCPS high school.

In the case I know of personally, the kid filming and sharing received a five day suspension. The kids fighting received a ten day suspension plus a hearing before they could come back.

I see so many fight videos and have never heard of a suspension.

Ok. Doesn't mean it doesn't happen. There are over 200 schools in this district.

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Anonymous wrote:What happens if your child films a fight at school during school hours? Do they get in trouble for filming it?

Your child gets in real trouble for violating the tech policy while the students who got in the fight get RJ and the principal gets nothing for violating the policy on notifying police. This seems odd but only your child put MCPS’s reputation at risk by creating evidence, so it’s only right that they face the most severe consequences.

What? This makes no sense.

I said it seemed odd but you have to remember that the number one priority of MCPS is preventing bad news from coming out and covering up evidence of assaults in schools is a vital pillar of MCPS’s public affairs strategy. When someone records the assault, it’s much harder for MCPS to cover it up. Therefore, MCPS must punish that student most severely and admonish the community not to take videos. This is really just common sense.

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Anonymous wrote:What happens if your child films a fight at school during school hours? Do they get in trouble for filming it?

Your child gets in real trouble for violating the tech policy while the students who got in the fight get RJ and the principal gets nothing for violating the policy on notifying police. This seems odd but only your child put MCPS’s reputation at risk by creating evidence, so it’s only right that they face the most severe consequences.

What? This makes no sense.

I said it seemed odd but you have to remember that the number one priority of MCPS is preventing bad news from coming out and covering up evidence of assaults in schools is a vital pillar of MCPS’s public affairs strategy. When someone records the assault, it’s much harder for MCPS to cover it up. Therefore, MCPS must punish that student most severely and admonish the community not to take videos. This is really just common sense.

Ok..that's what I thought you said. You don't work for MCPS then? I don't think the average principal has that motive to cover anything up? Definitely a few I'm sure...but I think most admin are just trying to do what's right and keep students safe.

[Anonymous]

For what it's worth, here is MCPS's policy on personal cell phones. Might answer some questions. Not even allowed to have the phone out for many levels. So it seems recording ANYTHING if the school has a no cell phone policy during lunch/outside class is already a violation. That's why students get in trouble I imagine. What kind of trouble? Depends on what was recorded and the impact I imagine.

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/siteassets/schools/elementary-schools/t-w/wyngatees/cog-ra---personal-mobile-devices-regulation-for-mcps-students.pdf


Elementary school students may use PMDs before and after the student day.
Elementary school students are not permitted to use PMDs during
instructional periods, lunch periods, or between classes/during transitional
time.
3. Middle school students may use PMDs before and after the student day.
Middle school students are not permitted to use PMDs between
classes/during transitional time. Instructional use may be permitted at the
teacher’s discretion. Use during lunch periods may be permitted at the
principal’s discretion, in collaboration with the school leadership team.


F. MCPS monitors and reserves the right to investigate all PMDs and PMD activity
on the MCPS network.
1. PMDs may be confiscated by school authorities if they are used in a manner
inconsistent with Montgomery County Board of Education policies or
MCPS regulations or rules.
2. Principals may temporarily suspend the use of PMDs on MCPS property if
they are used in a manner inconsistent with this or other Board policies,
MCPS regulations, or rules.
G. In accordance with the Student Code of Conduct in MCPS, information may not be
communicated using a PMD if it violates the privacy of others, jeopardizes the
health or safety of students, is obscene or libelous, causes disruption of school
activities, plagiarizes the work of others, or is a commercial advertisement.
H. Any student who violates this regulation will be subject to disciplinary action, in
accordance with the Student Code of Conduct in MCPS.
4. High school students may use PMDs before and after the student day and
during the student lunch periods. Instructional use may be permitted at the
teacher’s discretion. Use between classes/during transitional time may be
permitted at the principal’s discretion, in collaboration with the school
leadership team.

[Anonymous]

They won’t be expelled because, equity. So film away.