New common data set now includes breakdown of acceptance rates for international and out of state students

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Contrary to popular belief, most internationals at selective colleges seek need-based aid. The majority of selective private schools (SLACs top 40, privates top 60) meet full need for internationals if admitted.

Beyond the top 20 private universities with their miniscule acceptance rates, of those ranked between 20 and 60, the only privates that promise to meet full need for admitted internationals (and are also need aware) are Tufts, Brandeis, U Rochester, and U Miami.

Cite? Can also think of many SLACs that do this. Meanwhile, whether they promise to meet need for “all,” once accepted, or actually do so only for “most” makes little difference for purposes of why so many internationals (most of whom need aid) are applying.

You seem to have forgotten that there is a difference between applying and being accepted.

Acceptance for internationals is very difficult, obviously. But those with need are applying for the lottery ticket in droves because any aid they can get (even partial need aid) is way more than they would get in the UK…

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Contrary to popular belief, most internationals at selective colleges seek need-based aid. The majority of selective private schools (SLACs top 40, privates top 60) meet full need for internationals if admitted.

Beyond the top 20 private universities with their miniscule acceptance rates, of those ranked between 20 and 60, the only privates that promise to meet full need for admitted internationals (and are also need aware) are Tufts, Brandeis, U Rochester, and U Miami.

Cite? Can also think of many SLACs that do this. Meanwhile, whether they promise to meet need for “all,” once accepted, or actually do so only for “most” makes little difference for purposes of why so many internationals (most of whom need aid) are applying.

I walked through a US news list and checked myself. Caveat, it was not the 2023 ranking and it was a cursory website look.

Schools in the top 60 that promise to meet full financial need for admitted internationals (may be need aware)
top 20s: Princeton MIT Stanford Yale Harvard UChicago JohnsHopkins UPenn Caltech Duke Northwestern Dartmouth Brown Rice Cornell Columbia
beyond top 20: Tufts URochester Brandeis UMiami

Private universities in the top 60-ish that do not promise to meet full financial need for admitted internationals (whether they offer any need-based financial aid to internationals at all, or not): Vanderbilt WashU NotreDame Emory Georgetown CMU NYU USC WakeForest BostonCollege BostonUniversity Tulane CaseWestern Lehigh RPI Villanova Northeastern Pepperdine SantaClaraU Syracuse

And of course the public top 60s do not offer need-based aid to internationals: UCLA UCBerkeley UMichigan UVA UF UNC UCSB UCI UCSD UWisconsin UTAustin UCD UIUC W&M GeorgiaTech UGA OhioState Purdue FSU UMD Rutgers UWashington VT UMN Pitt

Again, this is a red herring. The real issue is the number of international students admitted because they are full pay, which occurs at all the selective schools, even those that are need blind for domestic students.

Agree. I was simply responding to the PP who believes that most top 60 privates promise to meet full financial need for admitted internationals.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Contrary to popular belief, most internationals at selective colleges seek need-based aid. The majority of selective private schools (SLACs top 40, privates top 60) meet full need for internationals if admitted.

Beyond the top 20 private universities with their miniscule acceptance rates, of those ranked between 20 and 60, the only privates that promise to meet full need for admitted internationals (and are also need aware) are Tufts, Brandeis, U Rochester, and U Miami.

Cite? Can also think of many SLACs that do this. Meanwhile, whether they promise to meet need for “all,” once accepted, or actually do so only for “most” makes little difference for purposes of why so many internationals (most of whom need aid) are applying.

You seem to have forgotten that there is a difference between applying and being accepted.

Acceptance for internationals is very difficult, obviously. But those with need are applying for the lottery ticket in droves because any aid they can get (even partial need aid) is way more than they would get in the UK…

Well this is good for rejevtivity and thus makes a school look so much more “selective”

[Anonymous]

Are these available for UMD?

The CDSs on their site are incomplete and not up to date.

[Anonymous]

Virginia Tech is up and, woah. For fall of 2023:

In-state: 19,048 applied; 8,967 accepted (47.1%); 4,369 enrolled (48.7% yield)

OOS: 24,645 applied; 15,566 accepted (63.2%); 2,457 enrolled (15.8% yield)

International: 3,514 applied; 2,390 accepted (68%); 370 enrolled (15.5% yield)

https://aie.vt.edu/content/dam/aie_vt_edu/common-data-set/23-24/CDS_2023-2024.pdf

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:https://ifx.richmond.edu//pdfs/CDS_C.pdf

U'Richmond has theirs. Not as hyper elite as these LACs, but still interesting:

In State- 13% of applicants, 27% admitted
OOS- 65% of applicants, 27% admitted
International- 22% of applicants, 9% admitted
23% admitted overall

I'm surprised by the low in-state applicant pool

I am not. Virginia is one of the few U.S. states whose public colleges and universities are amongst the most academically competitive schools in the country.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:As has been repeatedly said, very few schools give financial aid to international students.

However although full pay is not a hook for American students at most top schools, it absolutely is for international students, and most top schools are filling their classes with 10-20 percent full pay international students. It absolutely is a reason domestic admissions have become so competitive.

Correct. International students are not eligible to complete the FAFSA so they can not receive any federal, state or institutional need-based aid programs. They can receive merit-aid.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:As has been repeatedly said, very few schools give financial aid to international students.

However although full pay is not a hook for American students at most top schools, it absolutely is for international students, and most top schools are filling their classes with 10-20 percent full pay international students. It absolutely is a reason domestic admissions have become so competitive.

Correct. International students are not eligible to complete the FAFSA so they can not receive any federal, state or institutional need-based aid programs. They can receive merit-aid.

Clarification, internationals are eligible to receive institutional aid if the college wants to offer it. Publics don't, many private colleges don't, but some privates do.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As has been repeatedly said, very few schools give financial aid to international students.

However although full pay is not a hook for American students at most top schools, it absolutely is for international students, and most top schools are filling their classes with 10-20 percent full pay international students. It absolutely is a reason domestic admissions have become so competitive.

Correct. International students are not eligible to complete the FAFSA so they can not receive any federal, state or institutional need-based aid programs. They can receive merit-aid.

Clarification, internationals are eligible to receive merti-based institutional aid if the college wants to offer it. Publics don't, many private colleges don't, but some privates do.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As has been repeatedly said, very few schools give financial aid to international students.

However although full pay is not a hook for American students at most top schools, it absolutely is for international students, and most top schools are filling their classes with 10-20 percent full pay international students. It absolutely is a reason domestic admissions have become so competitive.

Correct. International students are not eligible to complete the FAFSA so they can not receive any federal, state or institutional need-based aid programs. They can receive merit-aid.

Clarification, internationals are eligible to receive merti-based institutional aid if the college wants to offer it. Publics don't, many private colleges don't, but some privates do.

Some colleges do, in fact, offer need-based institutional aid to internationals. Not a ton, but several, mostly top 20s. In fact, if I recall, I listed them earlier in the thread.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As has been repeatedly said, very few schools give financial aid to international students.

However although full pay is not a hook for American students at most top schools, it absolutely is for international students, and most top schools are filling their classes with 10-20 percent full pay international students. It absolutely is a reason domestic admissions have become so competitive.

Correct. International students are not eligible to complete the FAFSA so they can not receive any federal, state or institutional need-based aid programs. They can receive merit-aid.

Clarification, internationals are eligible to receive merti-based institutional aid if the college wants to offer it. Publics don't, many private colleges don't, but some privates do.

Some colleges do, in fact, offer need-based institutional aid to internationals. Not a ton, but several, mostly top 20s. In fact, if I recall, I listed them earlier in the thread.

How? How do they determine need if an international student can't fill out the FAFSA?

[Anonymous]

Is there any resource that aggregates this data and let's you search...or do you have to go to each school one-by-one?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Is there any resource that aggregates this data and let's you search...or do you have to go to each school one-by-one?

2023-2024 CDS data will be included in College Navigator in June, though I don't know if this new data field will be represented there.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As has been repeatedly said, very few schools give financial aid to international students.

However although full pay is not a hook for American students at most top schools, it absolutely is for international students, and most top schools are filling their classes with 10-20 percent full pay international students. It absolutely is a reason domestic admissions have become so competitive.

Correct. International students are not eligible to complete the FAFSA so they can not receive any federal, state or institutional need-based aid programs. They can receive merit-aid.

Clarification, internationals are eligible to receive merti-based institutional aid if the college wants to offer it. Publics don't, many private colleges don't, but some privates do.

Some colleges do, in fact, offer need-based institutional aid to internationals. Not a ton, but several, mostly top 20s. In fact, if I recall, I listed them earlier in the thread.

The CSS Profile.

You can also google a list of colleges offering need-based aid to internationals and then visit one of their financial aid websites to read the instructions for internationals.

(If you've not heard of it, note that the CSS Profile is also required for domestic applicants seeking need-based financial aid at a number of generous colleges.)

How? How do they determine need if an international student can't fill out the FAFSA?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As has been repeatedly said, very few schools give financial aid to international students.

However although full pay is not a hook for American students at most top schools, it absolutely is for international students, and most top schools are filling their classes with 10-20 percent full pay international students. It absolutely is a reason domestic admissions have become so competitive.

Correct. International students are not eligible to complete the FAFSA so they can not receive any federal, state or institutional need-based aid programs. They can receive merit-aid.

Clarification, internationals are eligible to receive merti-based institutional aid if the college wants to offer it. Publics don't, many private colleges don't, but some privates do.

Some colleges do, in fact, offer need-based institutional aid to internationals. Not a ton, but several, mostly top 20s. In fact, if I recall, I listed them earlier in the thread.

How? How do they determine need if an international student can't fill out the FAFSA?

The CSS Profile.

You can also google a list of colleges offering need-based aid to internationals and then visit one of their financial aid websites to read the instructions for internationals.

(If you've not heard of it, note that the CSS Profile is also required for domestic applicants seeking need-based financial aid at a number of generous colleges.)