New common data set now includes breakdown of acceptance rates for international and out of state students

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Anonymous wrote:Nobody seems to have mentioned financial aid as the real reason here. An upper middle class kid from India might be able to afford 20k. That means free tuition at most privates. You get nothing in the UK, and have to pay overseas tuition there. The US is way cheaper.

Most selective schools, while need aware for admissions, meet internationals’ full need if admitted. In other words, middle class internationals get free tuition, and donut hole American families pay full freight.

Some highly selective privates will give internationals financial aid, but most colleges beyond T30 do not give need-based aid to internationals.

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Anonymous wrote:What is so wrong with universities abroad? Everyone boasts how strong schooling is overseas compared to America, what the heck happened to their university systems?

American universities are easier to get in.

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Anonymous wrote:Nobody seems to have mentioned financial aid as the real reason here. An upper middle class kid from India might be able to afford 20k. That means free tuition at most privates. You get nothing in the UK, and have to pay overseas tuition there. The US is way cheaper.

Most selective schools, while need aware for admissions, meet internationals’ full need if admitted. In other words, middle class internationals get free tuition, and donut hole American families pay full freight.

Can anyone confirm this? I find this outrageous if true.

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Cool, some colleges such as Amherst and Bowdoin are doing good job in controlling international intake!!

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Nobody seems to have mentioned financial aid as the real reason here. An upper middle class kid from India might be able to afford 20k. That means free tuition at most privates. You get nothing in the UK, and have to pay overseas tuition there. The US is way cheaper.

Most selective schools, while need aware for admissions, meet internationals’ full need if admitted. In other words, middle class internationals get free tuition, and donut hole American families pay full freight.

Can anyone confirm this? I find this outrageous if true.

No. I have never heard of foreign students getting more money than domestic Americans. Just the opposite is true: At all but a few wealthy colleges, overseas students do not qualify for any financial aid. Furthermore, some private colleges are trying to keep prices up and the market "hot" by actively recruiting full pay students from overseas. It's frankly unfair to a lot of good kids both here and in other those countries.

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No wonder why, majority of colleges offer free application to international to pad up their acceptance rate.

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Anonymous wrote:What is so wrong with universities abroad? Everyone boasts how strong schooling is overseas compared to America, what the heck happened to their university systems?

This is an excellent question, of course.

I think the real reason there are so many international applicants is the assumption that they can stay in the US afterward.

They get in on an F-1 visa and stalk sponsorship in the job market after graduation.

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Anonymous wrote:https://ifx.richmond.edu//pdfs/CDS_C.pdf

U'Richmond has theirs. Not as hyper elite as these LACs, but still interesting:

In State- 13% of applicants, 27% admitted
OOS- 65% of applicants, 27% admitted
International- 22% of applicants, 9% admitted
23% admitted overall

I'm surprised by the low in-state applicant pool

I’m not surprised. Virginia has so many strong public colleges and universities. Hard to justify staying in-state and then paying private tuition.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Nobody seems to have mentioned financial aid as the real reason here. An upper middle class kid from India might be able to afford 20k. That means free tuition at most privates. You get nothing in the UK, and have to pay overseas tuition there. The US is way cheaper.

Most selective schools, while need aware for admissions, meet internationals’ full need if admitted. In other words, middle class internationals get free tuition, and donut hole American families pay full freight.

Can anyone confirm this? I find this outrageous if true.

No, this is not true. Only a few schools give much need-based aid to internationals, and they can’t get any federal aid.

The same Putin-paid trolls who are always trying to divide us, so they can conquer us, are just trying to stir up more stupid trouble.

If the posters are actual Americans, then they’ve let Outin turn them into his agents.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Nobody seems to have mentioned financial aid as the real reason here. An upper middle class kid from India might be able to afford 20k. That means free tuition at most privates. You get nothing in the UK, and have to pay overseas tuition there. The US is way cheaper.

Most selective schools, while need aware for admissions, meet internationals’ full need if admitted. In other words, middle class internationals get free tuition, and donut hole American families pay full freight.

Can anyone confirm this? I find this outrageous if true.

No, this is not true. Only a few schools give much need-based aid to internationals, and they can’t get any federal aid.

The same Putin-paid trolls who are always trying to divide us, so they can conquer us, are just trying to stir up more stupid trouble.

If the posters are actual Americans, then they’ve let Outin turn them into his agents.

Yeah it is a total BS statement. Most Top unis do not give any aid or merit to international students, they pay full freight.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Nobody seems to have mentioned financial aid as the real reason here. An upper middle class kid from India might be able to afford 20k. That means free tuition at most privates. You get nothing in the UK, and have to pay overseas tuition there. The US is way cheaper.

Most selective schools, while need aware for admissions, meet internationals’ full need if admitted. In other words, middle class internationals get free tuition, and donut hole American families pay full freight.

Can anyone confirm this? I find this outrageous if true.

i am the immigrant PP from the previous page.

princeton valedictorian is a kid like this. i don't know him personally but it is very unlikely he is LMC in his own country. so yes, as a foreign donut (most likely) he got what amounts to merit aid. i do personally know a student whose parents and grandparents are famous lawyers (abroad), who lived a very charmed UMC life there, and who graduated from HPYMS on a full scholarship, and also had full financial aid offers at several other T15 schools. so, it can be true, but only for a very small number of people.

this was about 10 years ago though. i am not sure that kid would be accepted to HPYMS today. the things are getting crazy competitive for internationals as well. many more kids are applying and a different profile, not just the very best. there is a whole new crop of international applicants, seeking primarily labels, and willing to sacrifice financially to get them. meanwhile, the acceptance rates for these kids is even smaller than for US citizens, and falling.

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It is incredibly hard as an international student to get into a top US college. You think it is hard for a top American, they expect the top grades and scores and activities. I have worked with both US and international students and it is mind boggling how much stronger the international kid has to be. Which is how it should be as the priority should be Americans. But most colleges outside the very top need international money to keep afloat.

Based on anecdotes from international students, they see life in the USA as generally better than at home but some do see Europe or Canada as safer options these days.

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a few schools meet needs of international kids (and US kids). HYS etc etc.

so in those cases there are poor kids who are getting a lot of FA and those same schools don't extend FA to UMC kids.

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Very glad to see the OOS numbers included.

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Anonymous wrote:Oh how interesting! I’m floored by the rise of international applicants. This is a new consideration, more competition, and I’m not feeling happy that these students take *so many* spots at American universities.

If they are qualified and can pay, it’s fair game. The top private colleges should be taking the best and brightest, regardless of geography (or legacy status, or race).