New common data set now includes breakdown of acceptance rates for international and out of state students

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Anonymous wrote:Why us t the number of Chinese students a national security concern?

https://foreigndesknews.com/asia/look-the-other-way-increase-in-chinese-international-students-raises-national-security-concerns-experts-say/

Thanks for citing The Daily Caller. Wrong audience here. Go away.

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Anonymous wrote:No wonder why, majority of colleges offer free application to international to pad up their acceptance rate.

Is that really true? Where did you learn that?

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Contrary to popular belief, most internationals at selective colleges seek need-based aid. The majority of selective private schools (SLACs top 40, privates top 60) meet full need for internationals if admitted.

Beyond the top 20 private universities with their miniscule acceptance rates, of those ranked between 20 and 60, the only privates that promise to meet full need for admitted internationals (and are also need aware) are Tufts, Brandeis, U Rochester, and U Miami.

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As has been repeatedly said, very few schools give financial aid to international students.

However although full pay is not a hook for American students at most top schools, it absolutely is for international students, and most top schools are filling their classes with 10-20 percent full pay international students. It absolutely is a reason domestic admissions have become so competitive.

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Googled around for Carnegie Mellon’s CDS but can’t find it. Their campus based on visual evidence appears to be approaching at least 40% international’s overall. Can meet full need but also need aware.

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Anonymous wrote:Googled around for Carnegie Mellon’s CDS but can’t find it. Their campus based on visual evidence appears to be approaching at least 40% international’s overall. Can meet full need but also need aware.

"International students aren't eligible for financial aid at Carnegie Mellon." https://www.cmu.edu/admission/costs-aid/financial-aid-faq

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Anonymous wrote:Googled around for Carnegie Mellon’s CDS but can’t find it. Their campus based on visual evidence appears to be approaching at least 40% international’s overall. Can meet full need but also need aware.

Also, most schools have not yet published their 2023-2024 CDS. (CMU CDS page for those interested, https://www.cmu.edu/ira/CDS/index.html)

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Contrary to popular belief, most internationals at selective colleges seek need-based aid. The majority of selective private schools (SLACs top 40, privates top 60) meet full need for internationals if admitted.

Beyond the top 20 private universities with their miniscule acceptance rates, of those ranked between 20 and 60, the only privates that promise to meet full need for admitted internationals (and are also need aware) are Tufts, Brandeis, U Rochester, and U Miami.

Cite? Can also think of many SLACs that do this. Meanwhile, whether they promise to meet need for “all,” once accepted, or actually do so only for “most” makes little difference for purposes of why so many internationals (most of whom need aid) are applying.

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Anonymous wrote:

Contrary to popular belief, most internationals at selective colleges seek need-based aid. The majority of selective private schools (SLACs top 40, privates top 60) meet full need for internationals if admitted.

Beyond the top 20 private universities with their miniscule acceptance rates, of those ranked between 20 and 60, the only privates that promise to meet full need for admitted internationals (and are also need aware) are Tufts, Brandeis, U Rochester, and U Miami.

Cite? Can also think of many SLACs that do this. Meanwhile, whether they promise to meet need for “all,” once accepted, or actually do so only for “most” makes little difference for purposes of why so many internationals (most of whom need aid) are applying.

You seem to have forgotten that there is a difference between applying and being accepted.

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Geographic diversity diid not become a fetish out of no where. In an older Supreme Court ruling, colleges were allowed to continue looking at race, as long as they looked for other forms of diversity. Geographic diversity was explicitly named as one route the colleges could take that would allow them to continue using AA for race. I’m not sure if the infatuation with diversity of geographic origin will continue now that it now longer serves a different goal.

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Anonymous wrote:

Contrary to popular belief, most internationals at selective colleges seek need-based aid. The majority of selective private schools (SLACs top 40, privates top 60) meet full need for internationals if admitted.

Beyond the top 20 private universities with their miniscule acceptance rates, of those ranked between 20 and 60, the only privates that promise to meet full need for admitted internationals (and are also need aware) are Tufts, Brandeis, U Rochester, and U Miami.

Cite? Can also think of many SLACs that do this. Meanwhile, whether they promise to meet need for “all,” once accepted, or actually do so only for “most” makes little difference for purposes of why so many internationals (most of whom need aid) are applying.

I walked through a US news list and checked myself. Caveat, it was not the 2023 ranking and it was a cursory website look.

Schools in the top 60 that promise to meet full financial need for admitted internationals (may be need aware)
top 20s: Princeton MIT Stanford Yale Harvard UChicago JohnsHopkins UPenn Caltech Duke Northwestern Dartmouth Brown Rice Cornell Columbia
beyond top 20: Tufts URochester Brandeis UMiami

Private universities in the top 60-ish that do not promise to meet full financial need for admitted internationals (whether they offer any need-based financial aid to internationals at all, or not): Vanderbilt WashU NotreDame Emory Georgetown CMU NYU USC WakeForest BostonCollege BostonUniversity Tulane CaseWestern Lehigh RPI Villanova Northeastern Pepperdine SantaClaraU Syracuse

And of course the public top 60s do not offer need-based aid to internationals: UCLA UCBerkeley UMichigan UVA UF UNC UCSB UCI UCSD UWisconsin UTAustin UCD UIUC W&M GeorgiaTech UGA OhioState Purdue FSU UMD Rutgers UWashington VT UMN Pitt

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Contrary to popular belief, most internationals at selective colleges seek need-based aid. The majority of selective private schools (SLACs top 40, privates top 60) meet full need for internationals if admitted.

Beyond the top 20 private universities with their miniscule acceptance rates, of those ranked between 20 and 60, the only privates that promise to meet full need for admitted internationals (and are also need aware) are Tufts, Brandeis, U Rochester, and U Miami.

Cite? Can also think of many SLACs that do this. Meanwhile, whether they promise to meet need for “all,” once accepted, or actually do so only for “most” makes little difference for purposes of why so many internationals (most of whom need aid) are applying.

I walked through a US news list and checked myself. Caveat, it was not the 2023 ranking and it was a cursory website look.

Schools in the top 60 that promise to meet full financial need for admitted internationals (may be need aware)
top 20s: Princeton MIT Stanford Yale Harvard UChicago JohnsHopkins UPenn Caltech Duke Northwestern Dartmouth Brown Rice Cornell Columbia
beyond top 20: Tufts URochester Brandeis UMiami

Private universities in the top 60-ish that do not promise to meet full financial need for admitted internationals (whether they offer any need-based financial aid to internationals at all, or not): Vanderbilt WashU NotreDame Emory Georgetown CMU NYU USC WakeForest BostonCollege BostonUniversity Tulane CaseWestern Lehigh RPI Villanova Northeastern Pepperdine SantaClaraU Syracuse

And of course the public top 60s do not offer need-based aid to internationals: UCLA UCBerkeley UMichigan UVA UF UNC UCSB UCI UCSD UWisconsin UTAustin UCD UIUC W&M GeorgiaTech UGA OhioState Purdue FSU UMD Rutgers UWashington VT UMN Pitt

Again, this is a red herring. The real issue is the number of international students admitted because they are full pay, which occurs at all the selective schools, even those that are need blind for domestic students.

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Anonymous wrote:

Contrary to popular belief, most internationals at selective colleges seek need-based aid. The majority of selective private schools (SLACs top 40, privates top 60) meet full need for internationals if admitted.

Beyond the top 20 private universities with their miniscule acceptance rates, of those ranked between 20 and 60, the only privates that promise to meet full need for admitted internationals (and are also need aware) are Tufts, Brandeis, U Rochester, and U Miami.

Most schools in this tier are public. You already mention 1/4 of the 16 privates in this tier. But Emory, Georgetown, Notre Dame, WashU give some, and NYU and BU give lots…

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International applicants skew male. This means that male domestic applicants are even less common than thought.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Contrary to popular belief, most internationals at selective colleges seek need-based aid. The majority of selective private schools (SLACs top 40, privates top 60) meet full need for internationals if admitted.

Beyond the top 20 private universities with their miniscule acceptance rates, of those ranked between 20 and 60, the only privates that promise to meet full need for admitted internationals (and are also need aware) are Tufts, Brandeis, U Rochester, and U Miami.

Most schools in this tier are public. You already mention 1/4 of the 16 privates in this tier. But Emory, Georgetown, Notre Dame, WashU give some, and NYU and BU give lots…

We are talking about schools that promise to meet full financial need, not give some.

"Please note that Boston University does not offer need-based financial assistance to international students." https://www.bu.edu/admissions/apply/international