Any uva ED rejects who got into better/icy schools during RD?

[Anonymous]

Student was never going to Brown or Georgetown. Or GW due to cost. Parents were limiting attendance to instate Virginia schools. Just being sneaky about it

now they just have to talk them out of Pitt and maybe PSU

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Other schools applied:
Georgetown (reach)
Tech (target??)
Penn state (target)
Pitt (safety )
Brown (reach)
Penn (reach)
George washington(target)
Mason (safety)
Vcu(safety)

Weird list and here is why I say it ~ so you can afford Georgetown full pay. Honestly? For sure? That an GW. Really? But you limited her safeties to Virginia schools. I don't get it. Were you insisting on her staying close? Pitt & Penn State make it sound like it.

Not OP, but two things here. One, some parents are willing to pay top dollar for top schools but not for lesser schools. Two, some KIDS don't want to go to far away for school. My niece (a junior) only plans to apply to schools in her state (PA). And I am willing to bet she will end up at one within an hour of home. Her brother has his sights set on California.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote: APS. Echols is not based on GPA though - it's based on essays, ECs, etc. So my point about that was there was something in those that caught UVA's eye.

Unofficially, Echols/Rodman is a way for UVa to try to get a particular top student to matriculate at UVa, one who they really want and who they think might otherwise matriculate at some other school. Yes, essays and ECs are a big part of it, but the really crucial thing is whether they think the person otherwise would matriculate elsewhere.

Jefferson Scholars are a completely different animal, with full tuition/fees/housing/etc., but again the Jefferson Scholars are being used by UVa to attract top students who might otherwise matriculate elsewhere.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Just trying to keep dd hopes up
She is so bummed

FCPS
Unhooked
4.3 gpa ( 12 ap and de)
1500 sat
Varsity athlete
Decent extra curriculars
Full pay if it makes any diff

Other schools applied:
Georgetown (reach)
Tech (target??)
Penn state (target)
Pitt (safety )
Brown (reach)
Penn (reach)
George washington(target)
Mason (safety)
Vcu(safety)

If full pay, you missed a bunch of other schools….
Colgate
Wake
Emory
Wash U
Tulane

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’ll be honest, I feel you like you don’t have a good list. She will get into none of the Ivies. She may get into VT. Sounds like she would be disappointed to attend her safeties. Unless she’s happy to attend her targets (GW, Pitt, etc), I would throw in a few other apps.

I disagree - this is a good list! It has some schools in each category - safety/fit/reach. You never know - she may get into one of the reaches.. it's a total crapshoot. Does she have the appetite for more applications? Maybe add a few more.. Delaware? I bet she'll get into VA Tech. Good luck, and don't despair... who cares about UVA. She'll go somewhere that's perfect for her!

Sometimes kids who apply to ivies aren’t very thrilled at the prospect at attending Pitt/Penn State etc - that’s why I mentioned it. There is a big gulf between the schools she mentioned. As long as OP’s daughter would be happy at her safety/targets. That’s the most important thing! They are very good options, it’s just about setting your students expectations.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just trying to keep dd hopes up
She is so bummed

FCPS
Unhooked
4.3 gpa ( 12 ap and de)
1500 sat
Varsity athlete
Decent extra curriculars
Full pay if it makes any diff

Other schools applied:
Georgetown (reach)
Tech (target??)
Penn state (target)
Pitt (safety )
Brown (reach)
Penn (reach)
George washington(target)
Mason (safety)
Vcu(safety)

If full pay, you missed a bunch of other schools….
Colgate
Wake
Emory
Wash U
Tulane

None of these schools are happening with the possible exception of Tulane ED2 of not admitted ED UVA instate. Posters here constantly overlook the importance of class rank at the local schools known to grade inflate. Even if the school does not rank, colleges can figure it out on their own.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: APS. Echols is not based on GPA though - it's based on essays, ECs, etc. So my point about that was there was something in those that caught UVA's eye.

Unofficially, Echols/Rodman is a way for UVa to try to get a particular top student to matriculate at UVa, one who they really want and who they think might otherwise matriculate at some other school. Yes, essays and ECs are a big part of it, but the really crucial thing is whether they think the person otherwise would matriculate elsewhere.

Jefferson Scholars are a completely different animal, with full tuition/fees/housing/etc., but again the Jefferson Scholars are being used by UVa to attract top students who might otherwise matriculate elsewhere.

That makes sense. He was choosing between UVA and a Top 5 school and Echols and the cost did help sway him/us. Not for the prestige so much, but for getting out of the 1st year class requirements.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: APS. Echols is not based on GPA though - it's based on essays, ECs, etc. So my point about that was there was something in those that caught UVA's eye.

Unofficially, Echols/Rodman is a way for UVa to try to get a particular top student to matriculate at UVa, one who they really want and who they think might otherwise matriculate at some other school. Yes, essays and ECs are a big part of it, but the really crucial thing is whether they think the person otherwise would matriculate elsewhere.

Jefferson Scholars are a completely different animal, with full tuition/fees/housing/etc., but again the Jefferson Scholars are being used by UVa to attract top students who might otherwise matriculate elsewhere.

That makes sense. He was choosing between UVA and a Top 5 school and Echols and the cost did help sway him/us. Not for the prestige so much, but for getting out of the 1st year class requirements.

Echols has 3 practical advantages: waiving distribution requirements, the Echols Dean for advice/help on course selection and major selection (advising for regular students within A&S is a long standing problem), and their class requests are processed first, before other A&S students.

Rodman does not have as many advantages. Engineering advising has worked well for decades. E school has to give you the classes you need to take as the engineering curriculum is rigid. Rodman substitutes a 2nd year Humanities course for the standard 1st year humanities course.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Her GPA was too low for UVA. I assume she’s not in the top 5%.

I would think those reaches are truly reaches.

I don’t think the GPA is the issue. My guess is that the essay and ECs didn’t showcase her values, traits and leadership. The gpa and SAT will get her through the first hoop easily. The next hoop is the essay & ECs and finally fit.

As another poster said, she’ll have plenty of options.

GPA would be an issue at most FCPS high schools--4.4+ seems to be where the line is drawn on Naviance at our 'middle of the road' high school. Only a small handful of kids accepted with GPAs under that and hundreds rejected. High SATs don't seem to make that much of a difference under that GPA.

My son with a 4.3, 1580 GPA got in EA last year. I agree that essays, ECs, and recommendations likely helped him a great deal. He's now an Echols Scholar there.

Was he in FCPS?

My kid is in LCPS but there is a clear cut off of about 4.4 on the GPA To have a chance. LCPS also weights honors .5 and AP/DE 1.0 so a 4.3 is pretty low all things considered. My DS attends and had a 4.6 and was not Echols so I assume your DS 4.3 was not in FCPS/LCPS.

APS. Echols is not based on GPA though - it's based on essays, ECs, etc. So my point about that was there was something in those that caught UVA's eye.

its supposed to be basically the top 5% of the incoming class from a stats standpoint.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’ll be honest, I feel you like you don’t have a good list. She will get into none of the Ivies. She may get into VT. Sounds like she would be disappointed to attend her safeties. Unless she’s happy to attend her targets (GW, Pitt, etc), I would throw in a few other apps.

I disagree - this is a good list! It has some schools in each category - safety/fit/reach. You never know - she may get into one of the reaches.. it's a total crapshoot. Does she have the appetite for more applications? Maybe add a few more.. Delaware? I bet she'll get into VA Tech. Good luck, and don't despair... who cares about UVA. She'll go somewhere that's perfect for her!

NP. It's not really a "total crapshoot" for those reaches. You have to have certain stats AND have something or several things that really appeal to the school. If shecwas rejected ed from UVA, it's unlikely that she has some outstanding talent or unique perspective or amazing essays that would help her stand out in her reach pool. The caviat would be if she rocked her supplemental essays, perhaps. Miracles can happen, but some of these seem like a waste of app fee. Don't let her pin any hopes on the reaches, OP.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’ll be honest, I feel you like you don’t have a good list. She will get into none of the Ivies. She may get into VT. Sounds like she would be disappointed to attend her safeties. Unless she’s happy to attend her targets (GW, Pitt, etc), I would throw in a few other apps.

I disagree - this is a good list! It has some schools in each category - safety/fit/reach. You never know - she may get into one of the reaches.. it's a total crapshoot. Does she have the appetite for more applications? Maybe add a few more.. Delaware? I bet she'll get into VA Tech. Good luck, and don't despair... who cares about UVA. She'll go somewhere that's perfect for her!

NP. It's not really a "total crapshoot" for those reaches. You have to have certain stats AND have something or several things that really appeal to the school. If shecwas rejected ed from UVA, it's unlikely that she has some outstanding talent or unique perspective or amazing essays that would help her stand out in her reach pool. The caviat would be if she rocked her supplemental essays, perhaps. Miracles can happen, but some of these seem like a waste of app fee. Don't let her pin any hopes on the reaches, OP.

Ivies and some other top 20 schools require a lot more in their applications. 4-5 supplemental essay questions; short answers, interview requirements, etc.

UVA is hard to stand out with just one additional short diversity/background essay.

As much of a chore it was at first for him, his best applications were those he could show much more of himself with different types of responses. It really showed his personality better.

I think that’s why some smart kids with personality stand out at those top schools vs just showing most rigorous grind work.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Student was never going to Brown or Georgetown. Or GW due to cost. Parents were limiting attendance to instate Virginia schools. Just being sneaky about it.

Wrong.

Brown’s average admit GPA is 3.9 and 4.3 for weighted.

Yale and Princeton cite 3.9 as their average incoming GPA.

It’s the crazy publics—-MoCO with their 5.0 scale and some Nova schools with unlimited AP courses (which the kids then can’t score a 4 or 5 at the end of the year on the exam).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Her GPA was too low for UVA. I assume she’s not in the top 5%.

I would think those reaches are truly reaches.

Sadly true (SAT is too low) if unhooked.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Student was never going to Brown or Georgetown. Or GW due to cost. Parents were limiting attendance to instate Virginia schools. Just being sneaky about it.

Wrong.

Brown’s average admit GPA is 3.9 and 4.3 for weighted.

Yale and Princeton cite 3.9 as their average incoming GPA.

It’s the crazy publics—-MoCO with their 5.0 scale and some Nova schools with unlimited AP courses (which the kids then can’t score a 4 or 5 at the end of the year on the exam).

What am I missing? You are conflating weighted with unweighted grades. The average weighted grade at an Ivy is not a 3.9.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’ll be honest, I feel you like you don’t have a good list. She will get into none of the Ivies. She may get into VT. Sounds like she would be disappointed to attend her safeties. Unless she’s happy to attend her targets (GW, Pitt, etc), I would throw in a few other apps.

I disagree - this is a good list! It has some schools in each category - safety/fit/reach. You never know - she may get into one of the reaches.. it's a total crapshoot. Does she have the appetite for more applications? Maybe add a few more.. Delaware? I bet she'll get into VA Tech. Good luck, and don't despair... who cares about UVA. She'll go somewhere that's perfect for her!

NP. It's not really a "total crapshoot" for those reaches. You have to have certain stats AND have something or several things that really appeal to the school. If shecwas rejected ed from UVA, it's unlikely that she has some outstanding talent or unique perspective or amazing essays that would help her stand out in her reach pool. The caviat would be if she rocked her supplemental essays, perhaps. Miracles can happen, but some of these seem like a waste of app fee. Don't let her pin any hopes on the reaches, OP.

Ivies and some other top 20 schools require a lot more in their applications. 4-5 supplemental essay questions; short answers, interview requirements, etc.

UVA is hard to stand out with just one additional short diversity/background essay.

As much of a chore it was at first for him, his best applications were those he could show much more of himself with different types of responses. It really showed his personality better.

I think that’s why some smart kids with personality stand out at those top schools vs just showing most rigorous grind work.

That's why I said "if she rocked the supplemental essays." But even then, she'd need more to stand out, and, with what we know so far, it seems unlikely.