Any uva ED rejects who got into better/icy schools during RD?

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:With grade inflation they really need to start looking at scores more heavily.

Ivies are leaning that way. Dartmouth and Yale both did a 5-year study and show standardized test scores are the most indicative of success. They followed TO and those that submitted high scores too. The TO were more likely to be on grade probation and grade probation has increased a lot since TO.


At our HS it looks like for UVA you need a 4.4 and a 1420 or higher to be reliably accepted (and even then it's mixed with acceptances and denials). Higher SAT scores don't seem to make up for a lower GPA, but few people are getting in with high grades and low SATs either. W&M has similar stats, but it seems like you can get in with slightly lower GPA (e.g., 4.2) if you have a 1500 or higher.

VT on the other hand is all over the map with quite a few students getting in with GPAs in the 3.5s and scores in the 1100s and just a messy mixture of acceptances, waitlists and rejections at all levels of GPAs and SATs. I can see why people are confused on what VT wants in students! UVA and WM only want high scores, but at least it's a very clear-cut, predictable pattern.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:No to Brown, Penn, Georgetown

Rest are reasonable.


+1

Exactly this. Don't get your DC's hopes up, because those (3) are not happening. UVA necessitates lower stats (ignore any vehement UVA posters who were likely not admitted to those 3).
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:With grade inflation they really need to start looking at scores more heavily.

Ivies are leaning that way. Dartmouth and Yale both did a 5-year study and show standardized test scores are the most indicative of success. They followed TO and those that submitted high scores too. The TO were more likely to be on grade probation and grade probation has increased a lot since TO.


At our HS it looks like for UVA you need a 4.4 and a 1420 or higher to be reliably accepted (and even then it's mixed with acceptances and denials). Higher SAT scores don't seem to make up for a lower GPA, but few people are getting in with high grades and low SATs either. W&M has similar stats, but it seems like you can get in with slightly lower GPA (e.g., 4.2) if you have a 1500 or higher.

VT on the other hand is all over the map with quite a few students getting in with GPAs in the 3.5s and scores in the 1100s and just a messy mixture of acceptances, waitlists and rejections at all levels of GPAs and SATs. I can see why people are confused on what VT wants in students! UVA and WM only want high scores, but at least it's a very clear-cut, predictable pattern.


UVA may yield protect with OPs GPA and SAT, however. There is a poster or two that insists not, so just be apprised.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Was she waitlisted ED or denied?


No one waitlists for early decision. The term you’re thinking of is deferral which means the application is considered with the regular decision applicants.

UVa only accepts or rejects for ED. No deferrals.


The above is incorrect. For UVa ED this year applicants were accepted, waitlisted or denied. They got rid of the deferral option. Info is on uva admissions site.


+1

UVA absolutely waitlists.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:At our FCPS, you need a 4.4 and ED for UVA.


+1

Higher GPA, and you will be denied UVA.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:With grade inflation they really need to start looking at scores more heavily.

Ivies are leaning that way. Dartmouth and Yale both did a 5-year study and show standardized test scores are the most indicative of success. They followed TO and those that submitted high scores too. The TO were more likely to be on grade probation and grade probation has increased a lot since TO.


At our HS it looks like for UVA you need a 4.4 and a 1420 or higher to be reliably accepted (and even then it's mixed with acceptances and denials). Higher SAT scores don't seem to make up for a lower GPA, but few people are getting in with high grades and low SATs either. W&M has similar stats, but it seems like you can get in with slightly lower GPA (e.g., 4.2) if you have a 1500 or higher.

VT on the other hand is all over the map with quite a few students getting in with GPAs in the 3.5s and scores in the 1100s and just a messy mixture of acceptances, waitlists and rejections at all levels of GPAs and SATs. I can see why people are confused on what VT wants in students! UVA and WM only want high scores, but at least it's a very clear-cut, predictable pattern.


UVA may yield protect with OPs GPA and SAT, however. There is a poster or two that insists not, so just be apprised.


They are not yield protecting a GPA of 4.3 in FCPS!! That is possibly not even top 10%. They do not care as much about the Sat for in state. It’s ALL gpa/rank driven.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:VT is hard during the RD round for in state with high stats. Even though SAT is not very competitive, VT will assume the applicant has other options w this set of stats and will be less likely to hand out the acceptance. Our counselor had advised both DC1 (2020
cycle) & DC2 (current cycle) to apply ED or EA to VT if that is a top choice.

UVA will not be giving out merit for in state with this set of stats unfortunately.

The applicant still has good options on the list, just not the ivies or VT.


VT stopped ED this year, so only EA.

That PP doesn’t know what they’re talking about. A 1500 is a competitive SAT score for VT, too.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:With grade inflation they really need to start looking at scores more heavily.

Ivies are leaning that way. Dartmouth and Yale both did a 5-year study and show standardized test scores are the most indicative of success. They followed TO and those that submitted high scores too. The TO were more likely to be on grade probation and grade probation has increased a lot since TO.


At our HS it looks like for UVA you need a 4.4 and a 1420 or higher to be reliably accepted (and even then it's mixed with acceptances and denials). Higher SAT scores don't seem to make up for a lower GPA, but few people are getting in with high grades and low SATs either. W&M has similar stats, but it seems like you can get in with slightly lower GPA (e.g., 4.2) if you have a 1500 or higher.

VT on the other hand is all over the map with quite a few students getting in with GPAs in the 3.5s and scores in the 1100s and just a messy mixture of acceptances, waitlists and rejections at all levels of GPAs and SATs. I can see why people are confused on what VT wants in students! UVA and WM only want high scores, but at least it's a very clear-cut, predictable pattern.


NP. What are you looking at? If Naviance, this is not at all how our Naviance looks. Definitely no 3.5s and 1100s getting into VT.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:Her GPA was too low for UVA. I assume she’s not in the top 5%.

I would think those reaches are truly reaches.


I don’t think the GPA is the issue. My guess is that the essay and ECs didn’t showcase her values, traits and leadership. The gpa and SAT will get her through the first hoop easily. The next hoop is the essay & ECs and finally fit.

As another poster said, she’ll have plenty of options.


GPA is absolutely one of the issues and probably the primary one. 4.3 wGPA from a DMV public is not anywhere close to viable at any Ivy or Georgetown. I'm in MD so can't speak to UVA but it would not be a shoo-in at UMD. OP, it sounds like GW would be a great option and she has a very solid chance there. See if you can find a few others she can get excited about on her existing list (or with 1/15 application deadlines.)
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:VT is hard during the RD round for in state with high stats. Even though SAT is not very competitive, VT will assume the applicant has other options w this set of stats and will be less likely to hand out the acceptance. Our counselor had advised both DC1 (2020
cycle) & DC2 (current cycle) to apply ED or EA to VT if that is a top choice.

UVA will not be giving out merit for in state with this set of stats unfortunately.

The applicant still has good options on the list, just not the ivies or VT.


VT stopped ED this year, so only EA.

That PP doesn’t know what they’re talking about. A 1500 is a competitive SAT score for VT, too.


That PP here, do you have a student that got into VT RD w that score.

1500 is a great score but not super competitive for Fairfax county. While it may still be competitive for VT’s ED (in previous years) /EA for this cycle, it may not be enough of a push for VT RD given the massive amount of RD apps they have received. It is not a knock on the student, just another data point for OP. No one knows how this game will shake out.

We all wish for these kids to get in where they deserve and would be happy to attend.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:With grade inflation they really need to start looking at scores more heavily.

Ivies are leaning that way. Dartmouth and Yale both did a 5-year study and show standardized test scores are the most indicative of success. They followed TO and those that submitted high scores too. The TO were more likely to be on grade probation and grade probation has increased a lot since TO.


Both Yale and Dartmouth will be test optional for the 2024-2025 admissions cycle.

Happy New Year.


*giggle*
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:VT is hard during the RD round for in state with high stats. Even though SAT is not very competitive, VT will assume the applicant has other options w this set of stats and will be less likely to hand out the acceptance. Our counselor had advised both DC1 (2020
cycle) & DC2 (current cycle) to apply ED or EA to VT if that is a top choice.

UVA will not be giving out merit for in state with this set of stats unfortunately.

The applicant still has good options on the list, just not the ivies or VT.


VT stopped ED this year, so only EA.

That PP doesn’t know what they’re talking about. A 1500 is a competitive SAT score for VT, too.


That PP here, do you have a student that got into VT RD w that score.

1500 is a great score but not super competitive for Fairfax county. While it may still be competitive for VT’s ED (in previous years) /EA for this cycle, it may not be enough of a push for VT RD given the massive amount of RD apps they have received. It is not a knock on the student, just another data point for OP. No one knows how this game will shake out.

We all wish for these kids to get in where they deserve and would be happy to attend.

Where did OP say their child applied RD to VT?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:With grade inflation they really need to start looking at scores more heavily.

Ivies are leaning that way. Dartmouth and Yale both did a 5-year study and show standardized test scores are the most indicative of success. They followed TO and those that submitted high scores too. The TO were more likely to be on grade probation and grade probation has increased a lot since TO.


Both Yale and Dartmouth will be test optional for the 2024-2025 admissions cycle.

Happy New Year.


*giggle*


Kids with high scores in addition to high GPAs do win out in this “test aware” (though stated TO) new trend.

Even TO are starting to count scores more again, particularly those two schools.

*giggle*
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:With grade inflation they really need to start looking at scores more heavily.

Ivies are leaning that way. Dartmouth and Yale both did a 5-year study and show standardized test scores are the most indicative of success. They followed TO and those that submitted high scores too. The TO were more likely to be on grade probation and grade probation has increased a lot since TO.


Both Yale and Dartmouth will be test optional for the 2024-2025 admissions cycle.

Happy New Year.


*giggle*


Wait, isn't UVA already test optional?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:With grade inflation they really need to start looking at scores more heavily.

Ivies are leaning that way. Dartmouth and Yale both did a 5-year study and show standardized test scores are the most indicative of success. They followed TO and those that submitted high scores too. The TO were more likely to be on grade probation and grade probation has increased a lot since TO.


Both Yale and Dartmouth will be test optional for the 2024-2025 admissions cycle.

Happy New Year.


*giggle*


Wait, isn't UVA already test optional?


Schools are staying TO, but the trend is that they are valuing scores more now. If you are in a wealthy, resourced area they will expect to see them. It would be odd not to have them —for what’s your reason for not? If you have such a high gpa then your scores should align with that.
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