Trump warns that immigrants are poisoning the blood of our country

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Anonymous wrote:I hate Trump and think he is racist as f*ck but to be fair he said ILLEGAL immigrants not immigrants.

Where do you see that? Because I don’t see that. I don’t see him drawing the distinction anymore.

DP. It's right in the OP's source:

“illegal immigration is poisoning the blood of our nation. They’re coming from prisons, from mental institutions — from all over the world.”

No, that’s from his social media post overnight. Did he say “illegal immigrant” in the speech or just “immigrants”?

It's lazy, click bait reporting. His speech was an hour and a half (https://www.c-span.org/video/?532231-1/president-trump-holds-rally-durham-nh) and he referenced illegal immigration multiple times throughout his speech using phrases such as these quote such as:
the hoards of people charging across our border
deporting gang members and terrorists
the invasion on the border
this about people coming into our country who are going to be a disaster because they come from jails, mental institutions
they are coming in unchecked and unvetted
he read a poem about a women taking in a weak and ill snake who then recovers and bites and kills the woman and asks the crowd if that sound familiar
he will stop the invasion of the southern border
will begin the largest deportation order in history
he will restore the travel ban from terrorist countries
implement ideological screening for illegal immigrants
if you hate America and want to abolish Israel then we don't want you

I was curious because I can't stand Trump and voted for Biden and anytime Trump has spoken since he left the White House I change the channel because I hope never to hear him. However, I was curiously how he was fairing cognitively, so I listened to his speech (speeded at up at 2x because who can stand listening to him that long). He promises everything to get votes and brings up inflammatory topics to appeal to the crowd. Trump was easily able to give a long speech that appeals to the masses. He of course boasts how he is going to reduce crime, stop inflation, stop the millions entering on the southern border, everyone in America will be better off, clean up cities and restore them, protect police, prevent International conflicts (he claims Ukraine and Israel's October 7th attack), etc. No specifics on how he is going to accomplish this but these will appeal to voters.

I am really getting worried about Trump getting re-elected. I can't picture Biden being able to debate Trump. I have doubts that Biden can speak for a prolonged period of time and certainly not during a debate. I am annoyed the Democrats aren't coming up with Plan B (to protect Plan B!)

Trump is unhinged. He isn’t going to debate anyone because he is decompensating before our very eyes.

I didn’t see anything on that speech that shows he is decompensating. I was hoping I would but I didn’t. Trump is appealing to the masses and the Democrats are burying their heads in the sand how effective it is.

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Anonymous wrote:Not remotely comparable. Trump is talking about "blood" as a synonym of societal culture and strength. Hitler is talking about "race" in a broad enough sense to include any form of heritage. By Hitler standards almost the entire Trump family is inferior mixed blood, including Trump's wife, four of his five children and all of his grandchildren. His entire family is part Slavic or part Jewish and in Hitler's mind are inferior by blood.

Given in context of his other behavior, misrepresentations and alliances with autocrats and fascist values - it is a very credible analogy..


December 17, 2023
HEATHER COX RICHARDSON (US historian)

It seems that former president Donald Trump is aligning his supporters with a global far-right movement to destroy democracy.

On Saturday, in Durham, New Hampshire, Trump echoed Nazi leader Adolf Hitler’s attacks on immigrants, saying they are “poisoning the blood of our country”—although two of his three wives were immigrants—and quoted Russian president Vladimir Putin’s attacks on American democracy. Trump went on to praise North Korean autocratic leader Kim Jong Un and align himself with Hungarian prime minister Viktor Orbán, the darling of the American right wing, who has destroyed Hungary’s democracy and replaced it with a dictatorship.

Trump called Orbán “the man who can save the Western world.”

Dr. Sarah Riccardi-Swartz, a professor of religion and anthropology at Northeastern University, explained in The Conversation what Trump is talking about. Autocrats like Orbán and Putin—and budding autocrats like Trump—are building a global movement by fighting back against the expansion of rights to women, minorities, and LGBTQ+ people.

Russian leaders have been cracking down on LGBTQ+ rights for a decade with the help of the Russian Orthodox Church, claiming that they are protecting “traditional values.” This vision of heteronormativity rewrites the real history of human sexuality, but it is powerful in this moment. Orbán insists that immigrants ruin the purity of a country, and has undermined women’s rights.

Riccardi-Swartz explains that this rhetoric appeals to those in far-right movements around the world. In the United States, “family values” became tied to patriotism after World War II, when Chinese and Soviet communists appeared to be erasing traditional gender roles. Those people defined as anti-family—LGBTQ+ people and women who challenged patriarchy—seemed to be undermining society. Now, as dictators like Putin and Orbán promise to take away LGBTQ+ rights, hurt immigrants, and return power to white men, they seem to many to be protecting traditional society.

In the United States, that undercurrent has created a movement of people who are willing to overthrow democracy if it means reinforcing their traditional vision. Christian nationalists believe that the secular values of democracy are destroying Christianity and traditional values. They want to get rid of LGBTQ+ rights, feminism, immigration, and the public schools they believe teach such values. And if that means handing power to a dictator who promises to restore their vision of a traditional society, they’re in.

It is an astonishing rejection of everything the United States has always stood for.

The White House today responded to Trump’s speech. White House deputy press secretary Andrew Bates said: “Echoing the grotesque rhetoric of fascists and violent white supremacists and threatening to oppress those who disagree with the government are dangerous attacks on the dignity and rights of all Americans, on our democracy, and on public safety…. It’s the opposite of everything we stand for as Americans.”

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Notes:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/elections/2023/12/16/trump-authoritarians-putin-orban-poisoning-blood/

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/cafe/russia-ramps-ups-attacks-on-lgbt-groups-for-an-international-far-right-audience

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/cafe/what-mike-johnsons-stint-representing-a-creationist-museum-in-court-reveals-about-his-politics

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/12/16/biden-trump-remarks-immigration-00132161

https://theconversation.com/as-russia-ramps-up-traditional-values-rhetoric-especially-against-lgbtq-groups-its-won-putin-far-right-fans-abroad-219102

Heather Cox Richardson is a propagandist, nothing more.

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Trump called Orbán “the man who can save the Western world.”

This is patently false. Watch the video on C-SPAN:

https://www.c-span.org/amp/video/?c5098436

If she can’t get basic quotes right, imagine all the other stuff she’s getting wrong.

F off with your attempt to cast doubt on the veracity of what can be easily verified with a quick Google search. I literally just googled the sentence “Trump called Orbán the man who can save the western world” and immediately got a bunch of links to news articles that refer to the same quote, including the Washington post, the telegraph, 8P news, and many others. Try it yourself. HCR doesn’t need to make anything up – – Trump is a goldmine of toxic malignant quotes that spill out of him every day.

Trump did not call Orban the man who can save the western world.

Trump said that Orban called Trump the man who can save the western world.

See the difference? Accuracy matters.

You are saying accuracy matters yet someone posts the ORIGINAL source. Instead of watching the C-Span video you instead google and find more instances where the quote is incorrect or taken out of context.

I posted the other information that trump did in fact reference illegal immigration throughout his speech and provided a link to the speech in it’s entirety on c-span. It is scary how news agencies no longer attempt to fact check before publishing so there is an attempt at balanced reporting.

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Anonymous wrote:Putting aside anything Trump said or didn't say about Orban, do any on the right care to comment on the fact that 1) he is bringing up Orban (a dictator) up at all and 2) his actual comment about migrants "poisoning the blood of our country"?

Well, let’s watch a video where Trump and Orban meet, and see what they say in their own words and where they agree:

https://www.wsj.com/video/opinion-trump-meets-hungary-highly-respected-viktor-orban/9CE392D6-59DA-4ED1-A745-65423288F3AB

It sounds to me like they agree on keeping their countries safe, fighting terrorism, stopping illegal immigration, and protecting Christian communities.

I personally support all of these things. If you don’t, then fine, we disagree politically.

Just because Trump and Orban meet, it doesn’t mean they agree on everything or that Trump wants to be exactly like Orban. The left has a tendency to catastrophize when it comes to Trump.

(I.e. Protecting Christian communities does not mean Trump wants Christianity to become the state religion of the US. Don’t read into his words what’s not there.)

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Heather Cox Richardson is a propagandist, nothing more.

She writes:
Trump called Orbán “the man who can save the Western world.”

This is patently false. Watch the video on C-SPAN:

https://www.c-span.org/amp/video/?c5098436

If she can’t get basic quotes right, imagine all the other stuff she’s getting wrong.

F off with your attempt to cast doubt on the veracity of what can be easily verified with a quick Google search. I literally just googled the sentence “Trump called Orbán the man who can save the western world” and immediately got a bunch of links to news articles that refer to the same quote, including the Washington post, the telegraph, 8P news, and many others. Try it yourself. HCR doesn’t need to make anything up – – Trump is a goldmine of toxic malignant quotes that spill out of him every day.

Trump did not call Orban the man who can save the western world.

Trump said that Orban called Trump the man who can save the western world.

See the difference? Accuracy matters.

You are saying accuracy matters yet someone posts the ORIGINAL source. Instead of watching the C-Span video you instead google and find more instances where the quote is incorrect or taken out of context.

I posted the other information that trump did in fact reference illegal immigration throughout his speech and provided a link to the speech in it’s entirety on c-span. It is scary how news agencies no longer attempt to fact check before publishing so there is an attempt at balanced reporting.

The quotes got messed up. It’s two separate people.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Putting aside anything Trump said or didn't say about Orban, do any on the right care to comment on the fact that 1) he is bringing up Orban (a dictator) up at all and 2) his actual comment about migrants "poisoning the blood of our country"?

Well, let’s watch a video where Trump and Orban meet, and see what they say in their own words and where they agree:

https://www.wsj.com/video/opinion-trump-meets-hungary-highly-respected-viktor-orban/9CE392D6-59DA-4ED1-A745-65423288F3AB

It sounds to me like they agree on keeping their countries safe, fighting terrorism, stopping illegal immigration, and protecting Christian communities.

I personally support all of these things. If you don’t, then fine, we disagree politically.

Just because Trump and Orban meet, it doesn’t mean they agree on everything or that Trump wants to be exactly like Orban. The left has a tendency to catastrophize when it comes to Trump.

(I.e. Protecting Christian communities does not mean Trump wants Christianity to become the state religion of the US. Don’t read into his words what’s not there.)

Then why not protect all communities? What is so special about Christian communities?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Putting aside anything Trump said or didn't say about Orban, do any on the right care to comment on the fact that 1) he is bringing up Orban (a dictator) up at all and 2) his actual comment about migrants "poisoning the blood of our country"?

Well, let’s watch a video where Trump and Orban meet, and see what they say in their own words and where they agree:

https://www.wsj.com/video/opinion-trump-meets-hungary-highly-respected-viktor-orban/9CE392D6-59DA-4ED1-A745-65423288F3AB

It sounds to me like they agree on keeping their countries safe, fighting terrorism, stopping illegal immigration, and protecting Christian communities.

I personally support all of these things. If you don’t, then fine, we disagree politically.

Just because Trump and Orban meet, it doesn’t mean they agree on everything or that Trump wants to be exactly like Orban. The left has a tendency to catastrophize when it comes to Trump.

(I.e. Protecting Christian communities does not mean Trump wants Christianity to become the state religion of the US. Don’t read into his words what’s not there.)

DP - he is making America less safe and less great. Please pay attention to actions and not just rhetoric.

He has aligned himself with dictators over our allies.

He wants to pull out of NATO at the behest of Putin even though the Cold War is not over and Russia has been threatening US with nuclear attacks .

Red states have much higher rates of violent crime than blue states and the gap grew under Trump.

By undermining democracy and promoting identity based white Christian nationalist politics, he is placing US at far greater risk of civil unrest and wars .

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I still can't believe he has a good shot at being elected. My faith in this country is gone.

I cannot understand why anyone thinks it is OK that this guy is even a candidate. What is wrong with the GOP? I get that voters can be mislead, but the GOP has control over this. WTH?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Putting aside anything Trump said or didn't say about Orban, do any on the right care to comment on the fact that 1) he is bringing up Orban (a dictator) up at all and 2) his actual comment about migrants "poisoning the blood of our country"?

Well, let’s watch a video where Trump and Orban meet, and see what they say in their own words and where they agree:

https://www.wsj.com/video/opinion-trump-meets-hungary-highly-respected-viktor-orban/9CE392D6-59DA-4ED1-A745-65423288F3AB

It sounds to me like they agree on keeping their countries safe, fighting terrorism, stopping illegal immigration, and protecting Christian communities.

I personally support all of these things. If you don’t, then fine, we disagree politically.

Just because Trump and Orban meet, it doesn’t mean they agree on everything or that Trump wants to be exactly like Orban. The left has a tendency to catastrophize when it comes to Trump.

(I.e. Protecting Christian communities does not mean Trump wants Christianity to become the state religion of the US. Don’t read into his words what’s not there.)

Then why not protect all communities? What is so special about Christian communities?

+1 in what way to Christian communities need special protection in the US?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The madder y'all get and the more ink you spill responding to Trump's quotes, the more you feed his ego and the more you do his bidding.

I don't think you understand the phrase "do his bidding."

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Anonymous wrote:I hate Trump and think he is racist as f*ck but to be fair he said ILLEGAL immigrants not immigrants.

Naturalized American immigrants can have their citizenship revoked by the DOJ

People are sleepwalking if they don’t realize that this is what Trump is going to do - he’s going to try to do mass denaturalization of naturalized American citizens (and their kids!) for “lying” on immigration forms. Of course, it will be completely trumped up reasons based on ridiculous interpretations of laws/policies, but the naturalized citizens will have no recourse and be tossed out the country ASAP. My guess is that they go after Mexicans, Persians, and Palestinians first.

https://www.findlaw.com/immigration/citizenship/can-your-u-s-citizenship-be-revoked-.html#:~:text=Under%20the%2014th%20Amendment%20to,deportation)%20from%20the%20United%20States.

Citation for this plan?

Trump is literally telling you what he intends to do. Why do you doubt him?

Again, please point us to where he laid out the aforementioned plan. He says a lot of crap, and then there’s the crap people put in his mouth. I’d like to know which kind of crap this is.

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Anonymous wrote:Not remotely comparable. Trump is talking about "blood" as a synonym of societal culture and strength. Hitler is talking about "race" in a broad enough sense to include any form of heritage. By Hitler standards almost the entire Trump family is inferior mixed blood, including Trump's wife, four of his five children and all of his grandchildren. His entire family is part Slavic or part Jewish and in Hitler's mind are inferior by blood.

Even this explanation sounds sinister to my ears.

+1 especially the way this person spins what was said to assuage their own guilt for supporting evil. They pulled the bolded spin out of their own fantasies.

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Anonymous wrote:I still can't believe he has a good shot at being elected. My faith in this country is gone.

I cannot understand why anyone thinks it is OK that this guy is even a candidate. What is wrong with the GOP? I get that voters can be mislead, but the GOP has control over this. WTH?

He still needs to be nominated. People are putting the cart before the horse.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Putting aside anything Trump said or didn't say about Orban, do any on the right care to comment on the fact that 1) he is bringing up Orban (a dictator) up at all and 2) his actual comment about migrants "poisoning the blood of our country"?

Well, let’s watch a video where Trump and Orban meet, and see what they say in their own words and where they agree:

https://www.wsj.com/video/opinion-trump-meets-hungary-highly-respected-viktor-orban/9CE392D6-59DA-4ED1-A745-65423288F3AB

It sounds to me like they agree on keeping their countries safe, fighting terrorism, stopping illegal immigration, and protecting Christian communities.

I personally support all of these things. If you don’t, then fine, we disagree politically.

Just because Trump and Orban meet, it doesn’t mean they agree on everything or that Trump wants to be exactly like Orban. The left has a tendency to catastrophize when it comes to Trump.

(I.e. Protecting Christian communities does not mean Trump wants Christianity to become the state religion of the US. Don’t read into his words what’s not there.)

Then why not protect all communities? What is so special about Christian communities?

I believe that Trump wants all American citizens to be protected.

I have never heard him say this, but I suspect he also wants the US to remain a culturally Christian nation. Many Americans, even if they are not religious themselves, want the US to remain culturally Christian. They don’t want to live in a Muslim society or Hindu society or whatever. Rapid immigration irreversibly changes the culture.

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Legal versus illegal is a human construct. The blood of either, in biological terms, are the same. Ergo, if one feels the blood of one taints, then the blood of all taints.

Face it, it is a racist troupe that should never be acceptable rhetoric in the United States of America.

Good Lord.

Take a look at Chicago or New York, or any one of many American cities that has been overrun with migrants who have entered illegally.
These cities are in dire straits because of the burden these migrants have on these cities. Don't try to conflate legal with illegal.

yes and Chicago is overrun with illegal immigrants from Eastern Europe, Balkans and during the Trump immigration, when ICE raids were up- the officers were told to first check papers of latino looking workers and to leave slavic ones alone. that is insane, I was born here and my kids were as well but I have friends who work in the legal department at the library of congress and they say that they get requests from republicans constantly asking for research on how to overturn birthright citizenship and re-interpret the 14th amendment. everyone I know who has eu citizenship eligibility or asian has gotten things in order or is working on it- most people have looked at dual citizenship and buying property abroad but thats b.c we are DCUM people who have the means -where are naturalized Afghans or Hondurans going to go?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Trump says immigrants poison our blood.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/trump-says-immigrants-are-poisoning-blood-country-biden-campaign-liken-rcna130141

No, that's not facist at all.


The term “blood poisoning” was used by Hitler in his manifesto “Mein Kampf,” in which he criticized immigration and the mixing of races. “All great cultures of the past perished only because the originally creative race died out from blood poisoning,” Hitler wrote.

Der Fuhrer, part 2.

He is telling us all what he is. He has done so for years and this is the most recent, and abhorrent, iteration of that. BELIEVE HIM.