Confederate female memorial being moved from Arlington County

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is good.

The statue, unveiled in 1914, features a bronze woman, crowned with olive leaves, standing on a 32-foot pedestal, and was designed to represent the American South. According to Arlington, the woman holds a laurel wreath, a plow stock and a pruning hook, with a Biblical inscription at her feet that says: “They have beat their swords into plough-shares and their spears into pruning hooks.”

https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/confederate-memorial-removed-coming-days-arlington-national-cemetery-105718054

No, it isn't "GOOD". Why do you think that?

It should go without saying that it's good to remove, from a cemetery for people who served in the US Army, a monument honoring people who fought against the US Army in an effort to preserve the legal right to treat some people as property, not people.

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No monuments to traitors on US property.

You mean property that was first illegally seized by the US Government from the Lee family and then was made unusable for future generations of the Lee family because it had been made into a cemetery, that was bought by the US Government at below market value.

Meh. Next time don’t be a traitor. Lee got off easy for a guy who wasn’t even pardoned.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is good.

The statue, unveiled in 1914, features a bronze woman, crowned with olive leaves, standing on a 32-foot pedestal, and was designed to represent the American South. According to Arlington, the woman holds a laurel wreath, a plow stock and a pruning hook, with a Biblical inscription at her feet that says: “They have beat their swords into plough-shares and their spears into pruning hooks.”

https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/confederate-memorial-removed-coming-days-arlington-national-cemetery-105718054

No, it isn't "GOOD". Why do you think that?

It should go without saying that it's good to remove, from a cemetery for people who served in the US Army, a monument honoring people who fought against the US Army in an effort to preserve the legal right to treat some people as property, not people.

+1

No monuments to traitors on US property.

You mean property that was first illegally seized by the US Government from the Lee family and then was made unusable for future generations of the Lee family because it had been made into a cemetery, that was bought by the US Government at below market value.

Sounds like you don't think it was fair of the US Government to seize the property of the commander of an insurrectionist army - a strategic property with a promontory above and adjacent to the capital of the US. It's little different than the emancipation of any other 'property'.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It's good to get rid of a monument about the two sides coming back together and living in peace?

It's not good. OP is a sheeple who thinks this is a cool development. It is not. The tide is already turning on this. These monuments to the dead are ART but the liberals have to demand there way and destroy. OP and her likes are idiots and have never read what happened under Mao, or in Russia, etc.

I don't need to read about what happen in Russia because I lived in the former USSR for years starting in 1993.

I acknowledge the artistry of the sculpture and the artist's skill. Gorgeous work. But, just because it's art doesn't mean it isn't propaganda. Perhaps if you, yourself, studied history and art more, you'd be less susceptible to propaganda. It's an excellent way to develop critical thinking skills.

As has been noted extensively on this thread, the monument honors people who are unrepentant about their efforts to continue the brutal enslavement of people and upholding white supremacy. As revealed in the Latin inscription, they may have lost but their cause was just.

Good riddance.

You being Russian makes sense. Erasing history is what your people do.

Art has always toed a line between its original intent and its historical interpretation. In the case of this piece, accepting the phrase about beating swords into plowshares at face value is probably a good idea. Because it's a nice sentiment.

Propaganda, given enough time, becomes kitsch. It can even be reimagined or reappropriated into something new. None of us alive can truly know what those times were like, but I suspect those who lived during those times would find y'all a lot less enlightened and tolerant than you keep insisting you are. For a family like mine, the civil war was literally brother against brother. We can all agree the right side won the war, but dehumanizing the other side makes you a lot closer to those slave owning racists who did the same than you think.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is good.

The statue, unveiled in 1914, features a bronze woman, crowned with olive leaves, standing on a 32-foot pedestal, and was designed to represent the American South. According to Arlington, the woman holds a laurel wreath, a plow stock and a pruning hook, with a Biblical inscription at her feet that says: “They have beat their swords into plough-shares and their spears into pruning hooks.”

https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/confederate-memorial-removed-coming-days-arlington-national-cemetery-105718054

Is it really, though. Is the answer to just abolish anything that brings up that period in our history? You can’t simply remove and destroy. Well, I guess you can as evidenced here but it’s not the way. Learning from history, but still accepting this was a period in our county’s history, makes more sense. It’s like those people running around trying to shut down freedom of speech. Isn’t the the answer to have better speech- than to shut the other side down?

It would be easier for me to agree with you — if, over the last 150 years or so, this country— as a whole — grappled honestly with the painfully ignoble aspects of our country’s history, and made sure that everyone understood our history, resolved to grow beyond it. Instead, we got Jim Crow laws, legal racial segregation, a few years of complicated and modest progress, and, now, MAGA influencing everything from our “justice” system to books no longer available in school libraries.
So, I’d agree with you that there are better ways to handle this country’s history, but what many people have learned from this period in history is that white supremacy has its benefits. We had a century and a half to do better. Many, including those who erected such statues and those who venerate them, have deliberately chosen not to.

You’re bringing to light “some people” but certainly not all. I am average American citizen with roots in both the north and south (and by south I mean plantation owners). I teach my children history is to be learned from and not repeated. We “do better” than our ancestors and that’s a fact. I will agree with you there are area lot of missteps throughout history. You can’t “make” everyone understand or agree with history and the right/wrong of it. The statutes, the renaming of bases (Ft Bragg to Ft Liberty) would make sense to me if it really was a decision made as a country or we came together to discuss and learn/grow. But what is being learned by our children’s generation by doing this? And what are we learning as a country? Division. Just another, new, version of division and conflict.

That we will no longer put up statues honoring people who went to war on the side of a legal system that defined certain people as property rather than people.

thats the problem, your southern ancestors shouldn't feel equally American to the northern ones. They were traitors who were vanquished and conquered and your plantation dwelling ancestors are the same as goering/himmler- something to mention as a strange tidbit of which you are vaguely ashamed. you should feel that - the southerners should feel like their ancestors were a conquered people who are looked down upon and shameful to the vast majority of Americans. There should be no southern pride. southern pride is a betrayal of the abolitionist cause and actual Great Americans like Frederick Douglas. Im nt saying that ppl should feel personal shame but they should certainly feel like the Confederates are not a part of the History of this great nation called the United States. Like an immigrant feels, confederate ancestors arent a part of this nation, they are a separate people, a people who were put dow by the heroes of these United States, literally burned down by General Sherman.

Well, then! It's a good thing this is America and not whatever country put the idea in your head that some citizens are worth more than others due to their ancestry. I have a lot of Southern ancestors. A lot of people do. Not all of them were white.

Your gross simplification of history is quite dangerous.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's good to get rid of a monument about the two sides coming back together and living in peace?

It's not good. OP is a sheeple who thinks this is a cool development. It is not. The tide is already turning on this. These monuments to the dead are ART but the liberals have to demand there way and destroy. OP and her likes are idiots and have never read what happened under Mao, or in Russia, etc.

I don't need to read about what happen in Russia because I lived in the former USSR for years starting in 1993.

I acknowledge the artistry of the sculpture and the artist's skill. Gorgeous work. But, just because it's art doesn't mean it isn't propaganda. Perhaps if you, yourself, studied history and art more, you'd be less susceptible to propaganda. It's an excellent way to develop critical thinking skills.

As has been noted extensively on this thread, the monument honors people who are unrepentant about their efforts to continue the brutal enslavement of people and upholding white supremacy. As revealed in the Latin inscription, they may have lost but their cause was just.

Good riddance.

You being Russian makes sense. Erasing history is what your people do.

Art has always toed a line between its original intent and its historical interpretation. In the case of this piece, accepting the phrase about beating swords into plowshares at face value is probably a good idea. Because it's a nice sentiment.

Propaganda, given enough time, becomes kitsch. It can even be reimagined or reappropriated into something new. None of us alive can truly know what those times were like, but I suspect those who lived during those times would find y'all a lot less enlightened and tolerant than you keep insisting you are. For a family like mine, the civil war was literally brother against brother. We can all agree the right side won the war, but dehumanizing the other side makes you a lot closer to those slave owning racists who did the same than you think.

I'm not Russian. I'm a Hoosier.

You keep lobbing falsehoods (or else dehumanizing doesn't mean what you think it means) and stringing platitudes together trying to whitewash that racist statue in defiance of reality.

Gnash your teeth all you want about it. We know how history will judge you and those like you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Removing a confederate statue from land donated by a confederate general so all soldiers would have a common final resting place.

What has America become?

They are traitors we don’t celebrate treason.

Move along Trump Russian troll

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's good to get rid of a monument about the two sides coming back together and living in peace?

It's not good. OP is a sheeple who thinks this is a cool development. It is not. The tide is already turning on this. These monuments to the dead are ART but the liberals have to demand there way and destroy. OP and her likes are idiots and have never read what happened under Mao, or in Russia, etc.

I don't need to read about what happen in Russia because I lived in the former USSR for years starting in 1993.

I acknowledge the artistry of the sculpture and the artist's skill. Gorgeous work. But, just because it's art doesn't mean it isn't propaganda. Perhaps if you, yourself, studied history and art more, you'd be less susceptible to propaganda. It's an excellent way to develop critical thinking skills.

As has been noted extensively on this thread, the monument honors people who are unrepentant about their efforts to continue the brutal enslavement of people and upholding white supremacy. As revealed in the Latin inscription, they may have lost but their cause was just.

Good riddance.

You being Russian makes sense. Erasing history is what your people do.

Art has always toed a line between its original intent and its historical interpretation. In the case of this piece, accepting the phrase about beating swords into plowshares at face value is probably a good idea. Because it's a nice sentiment.

Propaganda, given enough time, becomes kitsch. It can even be reimagined or reappropriated into something new. None of us alive can truly know what those times were like, but I suspect those who lived during those times would find y'all a lot less enlightened and tolerant than you keep insisting you are. For a family like mine, the civil war was literally brother against brother. We can all agree the right side won the war, but dehumanizing the other side makes you a lot closer to those slave owning racists who did the same than you think.

What an odd statement. Also, irrelevant.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is good.

The statue, unveiled in 1914, features a bronze woman, crowned with olive leaves, standing on a 32-foot pedestal, and was designed to represent the American South. According to Arlington, the woman holds a laurel wreath, a plow stock and a pruning hook, with a Biblical inscription at her feet that says: “They have beat their swords into plough-shares and their spears into pruning hooks.”

https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/confederate-memorial-removed-coming-days-arlington-national-cemetery-105718054

and not one word about the artist. And Obama had a wreath delivered there in 2009.

[Anonymous]

Memorials to those that died in war, both victors and vanquished, exist all over the world. Germany, Japan, Russia, etc., why is it so important that we remove memorials to those that fought for the South in the Civil War?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Memorials to those that died in war, both victors and vanquished, exist all over the world. Germany, Japan, Russia, etc., why is it so important that we remove memorials to those that fought for the South in the Civil War?

Is there a statue at Pearl Harbor National Memorial that honors the service members from the Japanese military who were killed in the attack?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Memorials to those that died in war, both victors and vanquished, exist all over the world. Germany, Japan, Russia, etc., why is it so important that we remove memorials to those that fought for the South in the Civil War?

Is there a statue at Pearl Harbor National Memorial that honors the service members from the Japanese military who were killed in the attack?

Probably not, but Virginia was a confederate state. You won’t find many memorials to confederate soldiers in Pennsylvania nor union soldiers in Mississippi.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Memorials to those that died in war, both victors and vanquished, exist all over the world. Germany, Japan, Russia, etc., why is it so important that we remove memorials to those that fought for the South in the Civil War?

Is there a statue at Pearl Harbor National Memorial that honors the service members from the Japanese military who were killed in the attack?

Probably not, but Virginia was a confederate state. You won’t find many memorials to confederate soldiers in Pennsylvania nor union soldiers in Mississippi.

Arlington National Cemetery is maintained by the United States Army. You want to keep a statue at the United States Army's Arlington National Cemetery that honors people who fought against the United States Army? Well, maybe you do, but it's gone just the same.

[Anonymous]

160 years later and still no reconciliation, looks like DEI is a one way street.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Memorials to those that died in war, both victors and vanquished, exist all over the world. Germany, Japan, Russia, etc., why is it so important that we remove memorials to those that fought for the South in the Civil War?

Is there a statue at Pearl Harbor National Memorial that honors the service members from the Japanese military who were killed in the attack?

Probably not, but Virginia was a confederate state. You won’t find many memorials to confederate soldiers in Pennsylvania nor union soldiers in Mississippi.

In what country are there memorials to traitors? In what country are there memorials erected by victors to honor the vanquished?

Genuinely curious. I'm well traveled and can't think of any. The memorials I've seen in Germany are the closest but they were erected by local governments to commemorate the local dead. And, frankly, they're not much better than Confederate memorials and while the Germans were aggressors, they weren't treasonous.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Memorials to those that died in war, both victors and vanquished, exist all over the world. Germany, Japan, Russia, etc., why is it so important that we remove memorials to those that fought for the South in the Civil War?

Is there a statue at Pearl Harbor National Memorial that honors the service members from the Japanese military who were killed in the attack?

Probably not, but Virginia was a confederate state. You won’t find many memorials to confederate soldiers in Pennsylvania nor union soldiers in Mississippi.

"Probably?" No. There isn't one. Nor are there any memorials to Hitler in Germany. That's the example we should follow.