Dr. Reid replacing school discipline with “restorative justice” ?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Dr. Reid says she is implementing “restorative justice.”

This is a portion of Michelle Reid’s weekly update sent to FCPS parents:

"The second initiative is our Restorative Justice Program’s new Responsible Pathway to Restorative Justice Facilitation. This pathway program will enable trained and endorsed members of Team FCPS to operate as school-based restorative justice facilitators. By this time next year, our goal is to have two of these facilitators in each of our schools. I’m thrilled about this program and how it will support us to provide excellence, equity, and opportunity for each and every one of our students, especially those impacted by discipline disparities. [i] As I shared with the principals on Thursday, I know there likely are a lot of questions about these two initiatives! More information on our Instructional Rounds and the Responsible Pathway to Restorative Justice Facilitation will be made available in the coming weeks; stay tuned!"

Do you think this is a good idea? Will this new approach increase or decrease crime in your child’s school?

What does restorative justice mean? Can someone provide a practical scenario example, without and with restorative justice implemented?

Do schools keep losing Justice? And Restorative Justice would bring it back?

[Anonymous]

Maybe we need to bring some Maori in for consultation

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Maybe we need to bring some Maori in for consultation

They could teach bullying victims to do the haka. That would stop bullying.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is just an extension of ongoing DEI virtue signaling with approaches that are not backed by evidence. It's also disturbing that it's just asserted that there are disparities in discipline. I would be willing to bet that the data do not support this. If anything students from certain groups are probably more likely to get handled with kid gloves than given consequences that might actually improve their behavior and/or the school environment. It's f'd up that families are expected to just stand by and tolerate an increasingly unsafe environment for their kids in the name of social justice.

You're really trying to rebut their "no evidence" with your own "no evidence"?

You aren't willing to bet unless you actually bet.

DP. FCPS publishes discipline statistics for schools and demographics - and they've changed. Suspensions for white children have increased and suspensions for Black children have significantly dropped. Has the behavior of the all children changed dramatically? That is unreported.

+1. I'm the PP who "betted" that there are no disparities in discipline. The claim that there are disparities rests on the notion that students of certain racial backgrounds (black, hispanic) are disproportionately targeted and punished for behavior, because of their race. This is asserted as fact because of correlational data, disregarding the possibility that, actually, kids in these groups actually are acting up more. The ideology does not allow for this to be spoken or acknowledged. I see this in research as well, which has a strong left-wing bias. The only way you'd know if students were disproportionately targeted is if you assessed if students with the exact same history and same behaviors were given different punishments. This study has not been done.

No, not “targeted.” The point of the research is the bias is much more subtle than that.

It also patterns incarceration in the justice system.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is just an extension of ongoing DEI virtue signaling with approaches that are not backed by evidence. It's also disturbing that it's just asserted that there are disparities in discipline. I would be willing to bet that the data do not support this. If anything students from certain groups are probably more likely to get handled with kid gloves than given consequences that might actually improve their behavior and/or the school environment. It's f'd up that families are expected to just stand by and tolerate an increasingly unsafe environment for their kids in the name of social justice.

You're really trying to rebut their "no evidence" with your own "no evidence"?

You aren't willing to bet unless you actually bet.

DP. FCPS publishes discipline statistics for schools and demographics - and they've changed. Suspensions for white children have increased and suspensions for Black children have significantly dropped. Has the behavior of the all children changed dramatically? That is unreported.

+1. I'm the PP who "betted" that there are no disparities in discipline. The claim that there are disparities rests on the notion that students of certain racial backgrounds (black, hispanic) are disproportionately targeted and punished for behavior, because of their race. This is asserted as fact because of correlational data, disregarding the possibility that, actually, kids in these groups actually are acting up more. The ideology does not allow for this to be spoken or acknowledged. I see this in research as well, which has a strong left-wing bias. The only way you'd know if students were disproportionately targeted is if you assessed if students with the exact same history and same behaviors were given different punishments. This study has not been done.

No, not “targeted.” The point of the research is the bias is much more subtle than that.

It also patterns incarceration in the justice system.

There are differences in sentences for violent crimes and so-called white collar crimes.

Are you really saying that Black 10 year olds are violent while white 10 year olds are embezzlers?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Sure, reducing suspensions will reduce suspensions. And since suspensions are related to subsequent absenteeism, reducing suspensions will reduce subsequent absenteeism.

But improving behavior and school atmosphere? Please. Keeping bullies and delinquents in school does not improve school atmosphere. For anyone beyond the bullies and delinquents.

Where is the data to support your opinion?

Your attitude is what’s wrong with school discipline. Your words imply that these kids are always bullies and always delinquents who cannot change. If you don’t give them a chance to learn and grow then they are certainly less likely to change.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is just an extension of ongoing DEI virtue signaling with approaches that are not backed by evidence. It's also disturbing that it's just asserted that there are disparities in discipline. I would be willing to bet that the data do not support this. If anything students from certain groups are probably more likely to get handled with kid gloves than given consequences that might actually improve their behavior and/or the school environment. It's f'd up that families are expected to just stand by and tolerate an increasingly unsafe environment for their kids in the name of social justice.

You're really trying to rebut their "no evidence" with your own "no evidence"?

You aren't willing to bet unless you actually bet.

DP. FCPS publishes discipline statistics for schools and demographics - and they've changed. Suspensions for white children have increased and suspensions for Black children have significantly dropped. Has the behavior of the all children changed dramatically? That is unreported.

+1. I'm the PP who "betted" that there are no disparities in discipline. The claim that there are disparities rests on the notion that students of certain racial backgrounds (black, hispanic) are disproportionately targeted and punished for behavior, because of their race. This is asserted as fact because of correlational data, disregarding the possibility that, actually, kids in these groups actually are acting up more. The ideology does not allow for this to be spoken or acknowledged. I see this in research as well, which has a strong left-wing bias. The only way you'd know if students were disproportionately targeted is if you assessed if students with the exact same history and same behaviors were given different punishments. This study has not been done.

No, not “targeted.” The point of the research is the bias is much more subtle than that.

It also patterns incarceration in the justice system.

Actually, the point of the research is to show exactly that, that Black and Hispanic students are disproportionately and inappropriately targeted purely due to their skin color and teacher bias rather than any other reason. Read the studies. Their conclusions are not subtle or nuanced.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Sure, reducing suspensions will reduce suspensions. And since suspensions are related to subsequent absenteeism, reducing suspensions will reduce subsequent absenteeism.

But improving behavior and school atmosphere? Please. Keeping bullies and delinquents in school does not improve school atmosphere. For anyone beyond the bullies and delinquents.

Where is the data to support your opinion?

Your attitude is what’s wrong with school discipline. Your words imply that these kids are always bullies and always delinquents who cannot change. If you don’t give them a chance to learn and grow then they are certainly less likely to change.

Because we've gone too far and now kids know there are no consequences. That hurts them and every other student.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Sure, reducing suspensions will reduce suspensions. And since suspensions are related to subsequent absenteeism, reducing suspensions will reduce subsequent absenteeism.

But improving behavior and school atmosphere? Please. Keeping bullies and delinquents in school does not improve school atmosphere. For anyone beyond the bullies and delinquents.

Where is the data to support your opinion?

Your attitude is what’s wrong with school discipline. Your words imply that these kids are always bullies and always delinquents who cannot change. If you don’t give them a chance to learn and grow then they are certainly less likely to change.

Because we've gone too far and now kids know there are no consequences. That hurts them and every other student.

Of course, there are consequences.

Again, where is the data to support your opinion?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is just an extension of ongoing DEI virtue signaling with approaches that are not backed by evidence. It's also disturbing that it's just asserted that there are disparities in discipline. I would be willing to bet that the data do not support this. If anything students from certain groups are probably more likely to get handled with kid gloves than given consequences that might actually improve their behavior and/or the school environment. It's f'd up that families are expected to just stand by and tolerate an increasingly unsafe environment for their kids in the name of social justice.

You're really trying to rebut their "no evidence" with your own "no evidence"?

You aren't willing to bet unless you actually bet.

Uh, ok...? I actually do research in a related area and I can tell you that the data are correlational at best. There's no good evidence that students are targeted because of their race. It's impossible to get that data because they are confounded. I'm sorry if you do not know what that means. You can go back to your daytime talk show now.

Funny how your research is sacrosanct but the school districts' research is invalid.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is just an extension of ongoing DEI virtue signaling with approaches that are not backed by evidence. It's also disturbing that it's just asserted that there are disparities in discipline. I would be willing to bet that the data do not support this. If anything students from certain groups are probably more likely to get handled with kid gloves than given consequences that might actually improve their behavior and/or the school environment. It's f'd up that families are expected to just stand by and tolerate an increasingly unsafe environment for their kids in the name of social justice.

You're really trying to rebut their "no evidence" with your own "no evidence"?

You aren't willing to bet unless you actually bet.

DP. FCPS publishes discipline statistics for schools and demographics - and they've changed. Suspensions for white children have increased and suspensions for Black children have significantly dropped. Has the behavior of the all children changed dramatically? That is unreported.

+1. I'm the PP who "betted" that there are no disparities in discipline. The claim that there are disparities rests on the notion that students of certain racial backgrounds (black, hispanic) are disproportionately targeted and punished for behavior, because of their race. This is asserted as fact because of correlational data, disregarding the possibility that, actually, kids in these groups actually are acting up more. The ideology does not allow for this to be spoken or acknowledged. I see this in research as well, which has a strong left-wing bias. The only way you'd know if students were disproportionately targeted is if you assessed if students with the exact same history and same behaviors were given different punishments. This study has not been done.

No, not “targeted.” The point of the research is the bias is much more subtle than that.

It also patterns incarceration in the justice system.

Actually, the point of the research is to show exactly that, that Black and Hispanic students are disproportionately and inappropriately targeted purely due to their skin color and teacher bias rather than any other reason. Read the studies. Their conclusions are not subtle or nuanced.

Everyone is share their feelings at DCUM Therapy Hour, but if you want to persuade someone to your point of view, share a copy of the data.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is just an extension of ongoing DEI virtue signaling with approaches that are not backed by evidence. It's also disturbing that it's just asserted that there are disparities in discipline. I would be willing to bet that the data do not support this. If anything students from certain groups are probably more likely to get handled with kid gloves than given consequences that might actually improve their behavior and/or the school environment. It's f'd up that families are expected to just stand by and tolerate an increasingly unsafe environment for their kids in the name of social justice.

You're really trying to rebut their "no evidence" with your own "no evidence"?

You aren't willing to bet unless you actually bet.

Uh, ok...? I actually do research in a related area and I can tell you that the data are correlational at best. There's no good evidence that students are targeted because of their race. It's impossible to get that data because they are confounded. I'm sorry if you do not know what that means. You can go back to your daytime talk show now.

Funny how your research is sacrosanct but the school districts' research is invalid.

DP. All education research is bs. The worst of the worst for the soft sciences.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My guess is this is OP’s attempt to create a phantom menace ahead of the election. The lies about CRT worked for Youngkin a few years back but the histrionics about crime and trans kids in schools isn’t really getting any traction in this cycle so they thought they’d take a new take on fear-based messaging.

I want to thank OP for bringing this to my attention. You can not deny the CRT indoctrination in FCPS schools. FCPS teachers are turning public schools into SJW bootcamp.

https://cdn01.dailycaller.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/09/English-7-HN-Syllabus_Cooper.pdf

OMG the woke fools at Cooper acknowledged the Holocaust. My brothers I arms at Storefront will be apoplectic when they find out!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Sure, reducing suspensions will reduce suspensions. And since suspensions are related to subsequent absenteeism, reducing suspensions will reduce subsequent absenteeism.

But improving behavior and school atmosphere? Please. Keeping bullies and delinquents in school does not improve school atmosphere. For anyone beyond the bullies and delinquents.

Where is the data to support your opinion?

Your attitude is what’s wrong with school discipline. Your words imply that these kids are always bullies and always delinquents who cannot change. If you don’t give them a chance to learn and grow then they are certainly less likely to change.

How many second chances for the bully are appropriate?

Also - how many second chances does the victim get from the bully?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:And just to be clear, they are trying to correct this phenomenon:

https://ballardbrief.byu.edu/issue-briefs/racial-inequality-in-public-school-discipline-for-black-students-in-the-united-states

Those studies don’t seem to: 1) control for SES level which makes it worthless re: whether this is a race issue vs a poverty / cultural issue; and 2) indicate that kids are all the same. It is entirely possible that some kids are behaving worse than others. If they are they need more discipline

You're right. Virginia should pay full reparations to defendants of slaves, to remove the poverty confounder. Has Youngkin signed the bill yet?