Dr. Reid replacing school discipline with “restorative justice” ?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And just to be clear, they are trying to correct this phenomenon:

https://ballardbrief.byu.edu/issue-briefs/racial-inequality-in-public-school-discipline-for-black-students-in-the-united-states

Those studies don’t seem to: 1) control for SES level which makes it worthless re: whether this is a race issue vs a poverty / cultural issue; and 2) indicate that kids are all the same. It is entirely possible that some kids are behaving worse than others. If they are they need more discipline

You're right. Virginia should pay full reparations to descendants of slaves, to remove the poverty confounder. Has Youngkin signed the bill yet?

descendants not defendanta.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My guess is this is OP’s attempt to create a phantom menace ahead of the election. The lies about CRT worked for Youngkin a few years back but the histrionics about crime and trans kids in schools isn’t really getting any traction in this cycle so they thought they’d take a new take on fear-based messaging.

I want to thank OP for bringing this to my attention. You can not deny the CRT indoctrination in FCPS schools. FCPS teachers are turning public schools into SJW bootcamp.

https://cdn01.dailycaller.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/09/English-7-HN-Syllabus_Cooper.pdf

OMG the woke fools at Cooper acknowledged the Holocaust. My brothers I arms at Storefront will be apoplectic when they find out!

What are you trying (and failing) to ramble on about, PP?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think it's a good idea because it works.

https://www.publicsafety.gc.ca/cnt/rsrcs/pblctns/jstc-rcdvs/index-en.aspx
The offenders who participated in the restorative justice program had lower recidivism rates than the matched group of probationers. With each year during the follow-up the differences in recidivism rates for the two groups widened. At the first year, the restorative justice offenders had a recidivism rate of 15% compared to 38% for the probation group. At the second year the respective rates were 28% and 54% and by the third year the rates were 35% and 66%.

https://thedcline.org/2018/07/27/restorative-justice-program-for-juveniles-aims-to-foster-empathy-heal-trauma/
In the 60 juvenile cases that have gone through this program since its inception in 2016, 48 have had successful outcomes, according to Gajwani. Success is measured by the rate of rearrests. Nationally, the rate of recidivism for youth who opt for restorative justice as opposed to a traditional court proceeding is at 40 percent.

Watch out. If you post a link someone might read it and quote it.

"Providing some form of restitution to victims was the activity most associated with reductions in offender recidivism."

Giving victims a poop sandwich and calling it Restorative Justice doesn't make it work or good.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My guess is this is OP’s attempt to create a phantom menace ahead of the election. The lies about CRT worked for Youngkin a few years back but the histrionics about crime and trans kids in schools isn’t really getting any traction in this cycle so they thought they’d take a new take on fear-based messaging.

I want to thank OP for bringing this to my attention. You can not deny the CRT indoctrination in FCPS schools. FCPS teachers are turning public schools into SJW bootcamp.

https://cdn01.dailycaller.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/09/English-7-HN-Syllabus_Cooper.pdf

OMG the woke fools at Cooper acknowledged the Holocaust. My brothers I arms at Storefront will be apoplectic when they find out!

What are you trying (and failing) to ramble on about, PP?

Read the linked document. I know you can do it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think it's a good idea because it works.

https://www.publicsafety.gc.ca/cnt/rsrcs/pblctns/jstc-rcdvs/index-en.aspx
The offenders who participated in the restorative justice program had lower recidivism rates than the matched group of probationers. With each year during the follow-up the differences in recidivism rates for the two groups widened. At the first year, the restorative justice offenders had a recidivism rate of 15% compared to 38% for the probation group. At the second year the respective rates were 28% and 54% and by the third year the rates were 35% and 66%.

https://thedcline.org/2018/07/27/restorative-justice-program-for-juveniles-aims-to-foster-empathy-heal-trauma/
In the 60 juvenile cases that have gone through this program since its inception in 2016, 48 have had successful outcomes, according to Gajwani. Success is measured by the rate of rearrests. Nationally, the rate of recidivism for youth who opt for restorative justice as opposed to a traditional court proceeding is at 40 percent.

Watch out. If you post a link someone might read it and quote it.

"Providing some form of restitution to victims was the activity most associated with reductions in offender recidivism."

Giving victims a poop sandwich and calling it Restorative Justice doesn't make it work or good.

ok this bolded part just made me LMFAO.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think it's a good idea because it works.

https://www.publicsafety.gc.ca/cnt/rsrcs/pblctns/jstc-rcdvs/index-en.aspx
The offenders who participated in the restorative justice program had lower recidivism rates than the matched group of probationers. With each year during the follow-up the differences in recidivism rates for the two groups widened. At the first year, the restorative justice offenders had a recidivism rate of 15% compared to 38% for the probation group. At the second year the respective rates were 28% and 54% and by the third year the rates were 35% and 66%.

https://thedcline.org/2018/07/27/restorative-justice-program-for-juveniles-aims-to-foster-empathy-heal-trauma/
In the 60 juvenile cases that have gone through this program since its inception in 2016, 48 have had successful outcomes, according to Gajwani. Success is measured by the rate of rearrests. Nationally, the rate of recidivism for youth who opt for restorative justice as opposed to a traditional court proceeding is at 40 percent.

Watch out. If you post a link someone might read it and quote it.

"Providing some form of restitution to victims was the activity most associated with reductions in offender recidivism."

Giving victims a poop sandwich and calling it Restorative Justice doesn't make it work or good.

If restitution does lead to reduced recidivism then it is working.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think it's a good idea because it works.

https://www.publicsafety.gc.ca/cnt/rsrcs/pblctns/jstc-rcdvs/index-en.aspx
The offenders who participated in the restorative justice program had lower recidivism rates than the matched group of probationers. With each year during the follow-up the differences in recidivism rates for the two groups widened. At the first year, the restorative justice offenders had a recidivism rate of 15% compared to 38% for the probation group. At the second year the respective rates were 28% and 54% and by the third year the rates were 35% and 66%.

https://thedcline.org/2018/07/27/restorative-justice-program-for-juveniles-aims-to-foster-empathy-heal-trauma/
In the 60 juvenile cases that have gone through this program since its inception in 2016, 48 have had successful outcomes, according to Gajwani. Success is measured by the rate of rearrests. Nationally, the rate of recidivism for youth who opt for restorative justice as opposed to a traditional court proceeding is at 40 percent.

Watch out. If you post a link someone might read it and quote it.

"Providing some form of restitution to victims was the activity most associated with reductions in offender recidivism."

Giving victims a poop sandwich and calling it Restorative Justice doesn't make it work or good.

If restitution does lead to reduced recidivism then it is working.

At the juvenile justice level - not at the school level.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sure, reducing suspensions will reduce suspensions. And since suspensions are related to subsequent absenteeism, reducing suspensions will reduce subsequent absenteeism.

But improving behavior and school atmosphere? Please. Keeping bullies and delinquents in school does not improve school atmosphere. For anyone beyond the bullies and delinquents.

Where is the data to support your opinion?

Your attitude is what’s wrong with school discipline. Your words imply that these kids are always bullies and always delinquents who cannot change. If you don’t give them a chance to learn and grow then they are certainly less likely to change.

How many second chances for the bully are appropriate?

Also - how many second chances does the victim get from the bully?

So no data?

The consequences for subsequent incidents should be based on the severity.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think it's a good idea because it works.

https://www.publicsafety.gc.ca/cnt/rsrcs/pblctns/jstc-rcdvs/index-en.aspx
The offenders who participated in the restorative justice program had lower recidivism rates than the matched group of probationers. With each year during the follow-up the differences in recidivism rates for the two groups widened. At the first year, the restorative justice offenders had a recidivism rate of 15% compared to 38% for the probation group. At the second year the respective rates were 28% and 54% and by the third year the rates were 35% and 66%.

https://thedcline.org/2018/07/27/restorative-justice-program-for-juveniles-aims-to-foster-empathy-heal-trauma/
In the 60 juvenile cases that have gone through this program since its inception in 2016, 48 have had successful outcomes, according to Gajwani. Success is measured by the rate of rearrests. Nationally, the rate of recidivism for youth who opt for restorative justice as opposed to a traditional court proceeding is at 40 percent.

You're citing juvenile court cases. Taking restorative justice from that concept to schools is like using a blowtorch for weeding. Wrong tool, wrong setting.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2023/07/15/restorative-justice-montgomery-county-schools/
"A recent report by Sean Darling-Hammond, assistant professor of health and education at UCLA, indicates that restorative practices improve middle school students’ academic achievement, while reducing suspension rates and disparities, misbehavior, substance abuse and student mental health challenges."

https://files.eric.ed.gov/fulltext/ED596786.pdf
"The earlier discussion about RJ theory suggests that a well-implemented program could
reduce punitive disciplinary actions and problem behavior over time (Tyler, 2006). All the
empirical studies we reviewed report a decrease in exclusionary discipline and harmful
behavior (e.g., violence) after implementing some type of RJ program. "

"But, across the studies, school attendance tended to improve after
RJ implementation. Baker (2009), for example, reports that students who participated in
an RJ program12 experienced a 50-percent reduction in absenteeism during the first year of
implementation and a decrease in tardiness of about 64 percent. "

"70 percent of staff reported
that RJ improved overall school climate during the first year of implementation."

It works in schools too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think it's a good idea because it works.

https://www.publicsafety.gc.ca/cnt/rsrcs/pblctns/jstc-rcdvs/index-en.aspx
The offenders who participated in the restorative justice program had lower recidivism rates than the matched group of probationers. With each year during the follow-up the differences in recidivism rates for the two groups widened. At the first year, the restorative justice offenders had a recidivism rate of 15% compared to 38% for the probation group. At the second year the respective rates were 28% and 54% and by the third year the rates were 35% and 66%.

https://thedcline.org/2018/07/27/restorative-justice-program-for-juveniles-aims-to-foster-empathy-heal-trauma/
In the 60 juvenile cases that have gone through this program since its inception in 2016, 48 have had successful outcomes, according to Gajwani. Success is measured by the rate of rearrests. Nationally, the rate of recidivism for youth who opt for restorative justice as opposed to a traditional court proceeding is at 40 percent.

You're citing juvenile court cases. Taking restorative justice from that concept to schools is like using a blowtorch for weeding. Wrong tool, wrong setting.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2023/07/15/restorative-justice-montgomery-county-schools/
"A recent report by Sean Darling-Hammond, assistant professor of health and education at UCLA, indicates that restorative practices improve middle school students’ academic achievement, while reducing suspension rates and disparities, misbehavior, substance abuse and student mental health challenges."

https://files.eric.ed.gov/fulltext/ED596786.pdf
"The earlier discussion about RJ theory suggests that a well-implemented program could
reduce punitive disciplinary actions and problem behavior over time (Tyler, 2006). All the
empirical studies we reviewed report a decrease in exclusionary discipline and harmful
behavior (e.g., violence) after implementing some type of RJ program. "

"But, across the studies, school attendance tended to improve after
RJ implementation. Baker (2009), for example, reports that students who participated in
an RJ program12 experienced a 50-percent reduction in absenteeism during the first year of
implementation and a decrease in tardiness of about 64 percent. "

"70 percent of staff reported
that RJ improved overall school climate during the first year of implementation."

It works in schools too.

No it doesn't.

[Anonymous]

The problem with restorative justice is that not punishing offenders greatly affects the "wobbler kids".
There are always going to be a few kids who are high maintenance and tough to teach in a school because they act out. The issue is when one of those students cuss out a teacher, hit another student, throw things and then they are sent to "talk about it" and sent right back to class or the teacher realizes nothing happens so doesn't bother to send the kid to the office, there are a bunch of wobbler kids who ordinarily would behave because they are wary of getting a consequence who then start acting out. Now instead of one kid in a class who is challenging you have 5-6. It make the learning environment awful for the other 20 -25 students and the teacher.

Think if you were caught running a red light or speeding all you had to do was watch a video on the consequence of speeding or talk about speeding. Well, that is not going to convince me to stop running red lights or speeding. What stops me from running red lights or going 85 miles an hour on an uncrowded freeway is that I might get a ticket and my insurance rates will go up. If I were to see no one is ever getting caught and the police announce no more tickets then I wouldn't bother to follow all the traffic laws.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think it's a good idea because it works.

https://www.publicsafety.gc.ca/cnt/rsrcs/pblctns/jstc-rcdvs/index-en.aspx
The offenders who participated in the restorative justice program had lower recidivism rates than the matched group of probationers. With each year during the follow-up the differences in recidivism rates for the two groups widened. At the first year, the restorative justice offenders had a recidivism rate of 15% compared to 38% for the probation group. At the second year the respective rates were 28% and 54% and by the third year the rates were 35% and 66%.

https://thedcline.org/2018/07/27/restorative-justice-program-for-juveniles-aims-to-foster-empathy-heal-trauma/
In the 60 juvenile cases that have gone through this program since its inception in 2016, 48 have had successful outcomes, according to Gajwani. Success is measured by the rate of rearrests. Nationally, the rate of recidivism for youth who opt for restorative justice as opposed to a traditional court proceeding is at 40 percent.

You're citing juvenile court cases. Taking restorative justice from that concept to schools is like using a blowtorch for weeding. Wrong tool, wrong setting.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2023/07/15/restorative-justice-montgomery-county-schools/
"A recent report by Sean Darling-Hammond, assistant professor of health and education at UCLA, indicates that restorative practices improve middle school students’ academic achievement, while reducing suspension rates and disparities, misbehavior, substance abuse and student mental health challenges."

https://files.eric.ed.gov/fulltext/ED596786.pdf
"The earlier discussion about RJ theory suggests that a well-implemented program could
reduce punitive disciplinary actions and problem behavior over time (Tyler, 2006). All the
empirical studies we reviewed report a decrease in exclusionary discipline and harmful
behavior (e.g., violence) after implementing some type of RJ program. "

"But, across the studies, school attendance tended to improve after
RJ implementation. Baker (2009), for example, reports that students who participated in
an RJ program12 experienced a 50-percent reduction in absenteeism during the first year of
implementation and a decrease in tardiness of about 64 percent. "

"70 percent of staff reported
that RJ improved overall school climate during the first year of implementation."

It works in schools too.

No it doesn't.

Where is the data to support your opinion?

The studies show that it works.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The problem with restorative justice is that not punishing offenders greatly affects the "wobbler kids".
There are always going to be a few kids who are high maintenance and tough to teach in a school because they act out. The issue is when one of those students cuss out a teacher, hit another student, throw things and then they are sent to "talk about it" and sent right back to class or the teacher realizes nothing happens so doesn't bother to send the kid to the office, there are a bunch of wobbler kids who ordinarily would behave because they are wary of getting a consequence who then start acting out. Now instead of one kid in a class who is challenging you have 5-6. It make the learning environment awful for the other 20 -25 students and the teacher.

Think if you were caught running a red light or speeding all you had to do was watch a video on the consequence of speeding or talk about speeding. Well, that is not going to convince me to stop running red lights or speeding. What stops me from running red lights or going 85 miles an hour on an uncrowded freeway is that I might get a ticket and my insurance rates will go up. If I were to see no one is ever getting caught and the police announce no more tickets then I wouldn't bother to follow all the traffic laws.

"70 percent of staff reported that RJ improved overall school climate during the first year of implementation."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The problem with restorative justice is that not punishing offenders greatly affects the "wobbler kids".
There are always going to be a few kids who are high maintenance and tough to teach in a school because they act out. The issue is when one of those students cuss out a teacher, hit another student, throw things and then they are sent to "talk about it" and sent right back to class or the teacher realizes nothing happens so doesn't bother to send the kid to the office, there are a bunch of wobbler kids who ordinarily would behave because they are wary of getting a consequence who then start acting out. Now instead of one kid in a class who is challenging you have 5-6. It make the learning environment awful for the other 20 -25 students and the teacher.

Think if you were caught running a red light or speeding all you had to do was watch a video on the consequence of speeding or talk about speeding. Well, that is not going to convince me to stop running red lights or speeding. What stops me from running red lights or going 85 miles an hour on an uncrowded freeway is that I might get a ticket and my insurance rates will go up. If I were to see no one is ever getting caught and the police announce no more tickets then I wouldn't bother to follow all the traffic laws.

"70 percent of staff reported that RJ improved overall school climate during the first year of implementation."

Then move to California. Since you seem sold on the idea. We don't want it here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think it's a good idea because it works.

https://www.publicsafety.gc.ca/cnt/rsrcs/pblctns/jstc-rcdvs/index-en.aspx
The offenders who participated in the restorative justice program had lower recidivism rates than the matched group of probationers. With each year during the follow-up the differences in recidivism rates for the two groups widened. At the first year, the restorative justice offenders had a recidivism rate of 15% compared to 38% for the probation group. At the second year the respective rates were 28% and 54% and by the third year the rates were 35% and 66%.

https://thedcline.org/2018/07/27/restorative-justice-program-for-juveniles-aims-to-foster-empathy-heal-trauma/
In the 60 juvenile cases that have gone through this program since its inception in 2016, 48 have had successful outcomes, according to Gajwani. Success is measured by the rate of rearrests. Nationally, the rate of recidivism for youth who opt for restorative justice as opposed to a traditional court proceeding is at 40 percent.

You're citing juvenile court cases. Taking restorative justice from that concept to schools is like using a blowtorch for weeding. Wrong tool, wrong setting.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2023/07/15/restorative-justice-montgomery-county-schools/
"A recent report by Sean Darling-Hammond, assistant professor of health and education at UCLA, indicates that restorative practices improve middle school students’ academic achievement, while reducing suspension rates and disparities, misbehavior, substance abuse and student mental health challenges."

https://files.eric.ed.gov/fulltext/ED596786.pdf
"The earlier discussion about RJ theory suggests that a well-implemented program could
reduce punitive disciplinary actions and problem behavior over time (Tyler, 2006). All the
empirical studies we reviewed report a decrease in exclusionary discipline and harmful
behavior (e.g., violence) after implementing some type of RJ program. "

"But, across the studies, school attendance tended to improve after
RJ implementation. Baker (2009), for example, reports that students who participated in
an RJ program12 experienced a 50-percent reduction in absenteeism during the first year of
implementation and a decrease in tardiness of about 64 percent. "

"70 percent of staff reported
that RJ improved overall school climate during the first year of implementation."

It works in schools too.

No it doesn't.

Where is the data to support your opinion?

The studies show that it works.

Several people earlier in this thread reported their dismal and failed experiences here in FCPS when it was attempted.

In FCPS, it does not work apparently.