S/o from another thread. What does POC mean to you?

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Poor people, since the POC I know are all well off, but take advantage of the designation to help with college admission.

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Look at your arm. Is it brown, even on the dead of winter? Brown, not tan. Just regular brown. Light brown to dark brown. Not olive, not sun kissed, just brown.

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Anonymous wrote:POC is fake

Thank you SO much for sharing such an incisive, detailed analysis of this complex issue.

It isn't a complex issue. It is a nothingness, the term "POC" has no meaning and the people who would be included in this group do not any sense of unity, at all, to be included in a group.

Accurate. It's a fake, new term to pretend the world is divided by white and not white.

While I agree, it is still a term that is widely used which is what this thread is about. So to play along, to me POC is anyone non-European. I'm Southern Italian, in no way would I ever consider myself a POC. My parents were born and raised there, also do not consider themselves POC.

No that’s not what POC means. When you use it broadly as “non European” then it loses meaning. When you use it narrowly to describe people who are brown THEN it has meaning. The purpose is for to have meaning so I prefer a narrow definition. And it’s more than skin color - it’s facial features as well. Italians have European features. Italians also have fair skin, except for those who are from the south. South and Central Americans, Black Americans, Asians, Indians, some middle easterners but not all, have unique features that make them immediately categorized and identified, and made to feel “other” in this country…hence POC.

Are Slavs considered white these days?

[Anonymous]

I’m Latina but of European descent. I don’t identify with myself with American whites but if you looked at me you might not see POC. So I have no idea. I just say I’m Latina.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m Latina but of European descent. I don’t identify with myself with American whites but if you looked at me you might not see POC. So I have no idea. I just say I’m Latina.

So your status is "of immigrant descent" aka "[fill in the blank]-American". Latina as an identifier doesn't mean anything.

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You'd want to first ask yourself what is the point of the term people of color. Why does it exist? It's a very new term.

What is the point of lumping affluent Asian Americans and South Asian Americans with poor inner city blacks under a single term when they have absolutely nothing in common, despite that quite a few South Asians are technically "darker" than many American blacks.

And, of course, there's no shortage of elitist people of non white origins all over the world who are perfectly capable of all sorts of discriminatory behaviors and hold tremendous powers within their countries and cultures. They certainly don't see themselves as "people of color" because they certainly don't see themselves as unified in a global population against white Europeans. Why would they? Try telling that to a wealthy Arab or Asian or Indian.

In short, not being white is not a unifying factor. In real life, aka the rest of the world outside the SJW universe in higher education, people sharply define themselves by class and caste and family and religion and tribe and politics. Worrying about white people is way down the list of priorities.

"POC" only exists as a political term, nothing else and nothing more.

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Anonymous wrote:Look at your arm. Is it brown, even on the dead of winter? Brown, not tan. Just regular brown. Light brown to dark brown. Not olive, not sun kissed, just brown.

I know what your trying to say and sympathize.

But your definition would mean that DH, DS and i are POC, but my DD (who takes after my mom) is not.

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Anonymous wrote:Look at your arm. Is it brown, even on the dead of winter? Brown, not tan. Just regular brown. Light brown to dark brown. Not olive, not sun kissed, just brown.

I'm mostly of British and German ancestry, and many Japanese people have lighter skin than I do. Does that make them colored or not?

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Anonymous wrote:Look at your arm. Is it brown, even on the dead of winter? Brown, not tan. Just regular brown. Light brown to dark brown. Not olive, not sun kissed, just brown.

Nope skin color is only part of it. East Asians, some of whom may be paler than Europeans, are still poc since they will never pass as white.

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Anonymous wrote:POC : anyone not white

Black/AA: anyone who has ancestors who were slaves

African: anybody who came to America on their own accord but were born in Africa.

Asian: anybody from the continent Asia.
Asian American: anyone who can track their heritage back to Asia but are American but to their face just say American or “she’s from California “

Italian: ancestors are from Italy
Italian Italian: born in Italy
Irish: ancestors are from Italy
Irish Irish: born in Ireland

Hispanic: anybody from a country that speaks Spanish and Brazil but NOT from Spain

Peruvian/Argentinian/Cuban/Dominican: anyone who’s family is from there they could be born here.

No, Hispanic is any country that speaks Spanish and does include Spain, but not Brazil. Latino encompasses all countries in Latin America, including non-Spanish speaking, but does not include Spain.

No Spanish people don’t want to be lumped in with Hispanics.

Brazil doesn’t care to be called Latino they are fine with Hispanic.

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Anonymous wrote:Are Italians POC?

Or Japanese?

Not any more. Yes.

I’m older, and as an Italian-American, I remember being a kid and feeling othered, and I have even been known to comment on “white people food” . But that’s pretty much gone now. True WASP dominance is gone in terms of snobbery, and it’s evolved into lower-class white racial BS.

Woah, how old are you? My grandparents are dead, but would be in their late 90s if they were still alive, and I never heard them refer to Italian Americans as "othered"--and yeah, if they really felt that way I would have known. They grew up as Irish-Americans in Boston.

Well, Love Story is from the 1970s. The term *w0p” pretty much disappeared only in the last 30 years. And think about who wasn’t allowed in the country club. Did we have it as bad as the Blacks? No, of course not. But this is not from the turn of the 20th century, either.

I'm in my early 50's and of Sicilian descent. I agree with PP. I saw a couple of fights in school over that word being used.

Funny story-before my dad was elderly, he had black hair, dark brown eyes and tan skin. He traveled for business and he ALWAYS got taken out of the line at airport security for a pat down! It was a running joke at our house.

We consider ourselves white though.

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Anonymous wrote:Look at your arm. Is it brown, even on the dead of winter? Brown, not tan. Just regular brown. Light brown to dark brown. Not olive, not sun kissed, just brown.

I know what your trying to say and sympathize.

But your definition would mean that DH, DS and i are POC, but my DD (who takes after my mom) is not.

Then she is not seen as a person of color. When she walks into a store or an office, she is not the person of color that eyes look at suspiciously.

She can identify as one she can check the designator on the box, but that is not how she is viewed by the world.

[Anonymous]

Anyone not fully white. Biracial people are POC.

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Anonymous wrote:The most tried and true method is the pantone racial color card. Anything less than a 4 and you're white, above 4 is POC. I keep mine in my purse in case I'm confused; I just hold it up to someone discretely and then I know. Sometimes, in the summer, it can be misleading due to tans. This is why some white people become victims of oppression in the summer months.

*discreetly