S/o from another thread. What does POC mean to you?

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Anonymous wrote:It's any person who is not considered white. Someone asked about Italians. I consider them white.

+1 Europeans are considered white. Some may have darker skin, but they are considered "white". Would you really consider someone like Giuliani a POC?

I'm not sure I agree with that.

Or, at the very least, my 102 year old grandfather who came from Ireland at the age of 14 would definitely NOT consider Southern Italians (or Spaniards) to be white

Irish in America were not considered white back in the day either by the way.

You're confusing class with race.

nope, they were not considered white. I can't believe you are not aware of this, if you are of Irish descent.

They were only considered not white if you define whiteness as having the same social standing as other white people. (essentially viewing history through a modern day "white privilege" lens.)

But thats just silliness. The irish were considered less-than, and a lesser social status, but they were still considered white. Bc at the time, the concept of white privilege didn't exist

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2017/03/22/sorry-but-the-irish-were-always-white-and-so-were-the-italians-jews-and-so-on/

I'm surprised you don't know this. You should talk more to your irish ancestors.

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Anonymous wrote:The most tried and true method is the pantone racial color card. Anything less than a 4 and you're white, above 4 is POC. I keep mine in my purse in case I'm confused; I just hold it up to someone discretely and then I know. Sometimes, in the summer, it can be misleading due to tans. This is why some white people become victims of oppression in the summer months.

Lmao

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Maybe some of you guys just pick up a book. You're right. Irish and Italians were not considered white in the late 19th/early 20th century U.S. However, when the fortunes of those with similar skin were tied together against the 'other' groups organizing and looking for full citizenship - those 'I's didn't matter as much as the bigger agenda. Are you all that clueless? That's why your grand/great-grandparents talk of being othered, it's real - but it didn't stick.

Why do you think some are so interested in changing voting laws that have been in place for a generation? Because suddenly they are bad or unfair? No, they don't stand up to the new demographics and shrinking white population. 70-80% population share makes all the inequity seem 'ok', but when those numbers drop and the trends remain...you get 2023.

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone who isn't white.

No. Anyone who doesn’t look white. That’s my definition

Exactly. So Italians are POC

Don’t be an idiot

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Anonymous wrote:It's any person who is not considered white. Someone asked about Italians. I consider them white.

+1 Europeans are considered white. Some may have darker skin, but they are considered "white". Would you really consider someone like Giuliani a POC?

I'm not sure I agree with that.

Or, at the very least, my 102 year old grandfather who came from Ireland at the age of 14 would definitely NOT consider Southern Italians (or Spaniards) to be white

It’s irrelevant what your grandfather experienced back in the early 1930s. We are talking about 2023

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Anonymous wrote:I’m Latina and don’t identify as a “poc” because to me, it’s code for black.

You are one.

She clearly said she doesn’t identify as one. Therefore she is not.

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Anonymous wrote:POC is fake

Thank you SO much for sharing such an incisive, detailed analysis of this complex issue.

It isn't a complex issue. It is a nothingness, the term "POC" has no meaning and the people who would be included in this group do not any sense of unity, at all, to be included in a group.

Accurate. It's a fake, new term to pretend the world is divided by white and not white.

While I agree, it is still a term that is widely used which is what this thread is about. So to play along, to me POC is anyone non-European. I'm Southern Italian, in no way would I ever consider myself a POC. My parents were born and raised there, also do not consider themselves POC.

No that’s not what POC means. When you use it broadly as “non European” then it loses meaning. When you use it narrowly to describe people who are brown THEN it has meaning. The purpose is for to have meaning so I prefer a narrow definition. And it’s more than skin color - it’s facial features as well. Italians have European features. Italians also have fair skin, except for those who are from the south. South and Central Americans, Black Americans, Asians, Indians, some middle easterners but not all, have unique features that make them immediately categorized and identified, and made to feel “other” in this country…hence POC.

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Anonymous wrote:Title says it. I consider myself a POC, I’m not black though, I’m a Pacific Islander. How is POC defined these days?

POC is an odd term. What would be a better alternative? Non-White? Colored? Underprivileged? Non-Caucasian?

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Anonymous wrote:Title says it. I consider myself a POC, I’m not black though, I’m a Pacific Islander. How is POC defined these days?

POC is an odd term. What would be a better alternative? Non-White? Colored? Underprivileged? Non-Caucasian?

Global Majority. Puts a finer point on how many of us there are relative to the power we wield.

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To me it means I am about to be guilt tripped for being white

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Anonymous wrote:Title says it. I consider myself a POC, I’m not black though, I’m a Pacific Islander. How is POC defined these days?

POC is an odd term. What would be a better alternative? Non-White? Colored? Underprivileged? Non-Caucasian?

One goal, I believe, was to avoid using a term that was defined solely by what people are not. So two of your suggestions are out, one has an offensive history, and one is not accurate for many of the individuals who would be collectively represented.

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Middle easterner here and I consider myself POC. To me, it’s anybody who is not white.

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POC : anyone not white

Black/AA: anyone who has ancestors who were slaves

African: anybody who came to America on their own accord but were born in Africa.

Asian: anybody from the continent Asia.
Asian American: anyone who can track their heritage back to Asia but are American but to their face just say American or “she’s from California “

Italian: ancestors are from Italy
Italian Italian: born in Italy
Irish: ancestors are from Italy
Irish Irish: born in Ireland

Hispanic: anybody from a country that speaks Spanish and Brazil but NOT from Spain

Peruvian/Argentinian/Cuban/Dominican: anyone who’s family is from there they could be born here.

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone who isn't white.

No. Anyone who doesn’t look white. That’s my definition

I look white but consider myself POC. It’s more than just skin color.

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Anonymous wrote:POC is fake

Thank you SO much for sharing such an incisive, detailed analysis of this complex issue.

It isn't a complex issue. It is a nothingness, the term "POC" has no meaning and the people who would be included in this group do not any sense of unity, at all, to be included in a group.

Accurate. It's a fake, new term to pretend the world is divided by white and not white.

As opposed to the very influential and legally defined old terms that were used by the US government and other entities to actually divide the world by white and not white.

Nice that you get to intellectualize and “pretend”. My parents, who attended and worked in legally racially segregated schools here in DC didn’t have that luxury.

Lol: This is the second “fake” accusation I’ve seen in this thread. Maybe the bots need to be reprogrammed.