PSA about Dartmouth

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Kenyon College is expensive. Return on that investment is not good.

https://kenyon.edu/admissions-aid/financial-aid-scholarships/tuition-costs/

Annual total cost of attendance is estimated by Kenyon College to be $87,590 for this academic year. Health insurance--if needed--is an extra $2,500 per year.

For a full pay student,a four year Kenyon College degree would be about $400,000 (as COA rises a bit each year).

Kenyon College does offer merit scholarships ranging from $10,000 to $25,000--but recipients of the top amounts are likely to have options.

Kenyon College is a small, rural, isolated, cold-weather school with a beautiful campus and a great swim team. The negatives are the isolation, the drinking/substance use, and lack of employment prospects offering reasonable pay after graduation.

Who are you and why do you live to crap on Kenyon? What did this cute little school in Ohio with excellent professors, a compelling history and a friendly vibe ever do to you?

First of all, Kenyon is pricey if full pay but the difference is meaningless versus almost any other private school. Plus or minus 5k, who cares. And why is greater Columbus OH suddenly in the Arctic? The weather is probably milder versus anywhere in New England or the upper Midwest. Kenyon is definitely known for its storied English department (largest major) and is only now developing a proper computer science program, so it won’t necessarily compete well on average salary metrics, and it also sends a high pct into PhD programs (around 10 pct). But Kenyon grads are often very successful in their chosen fields and this is among the reasons why people like the school and are willing to pay up for it. Size wise, it’s just like almost all the other LACs, which are also usually located in rural areas.

I just don’t understand what happened to you to cause this irrational contempt.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Apparently someone has anger issues.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The fact that Dartmouth has so many PhD programs and MBA and MD must change its feel somewhat, at least enough to heighten the contrast vs. all the SLACs mentioned in this thread.

What a great brand it is, with its mountain-appropriate green-and-white color scheme, Ivy League pedigree, and winter carnival tradition — no wonder teenagers want to go there so much. Getting turned down by Dartmouth after you fall head over heels in love with it must be brutal; it was for my son and for one of my HS flames (the latter ended up working there).

It is surprising to me that the sports teams don’t win more Ivy League championships, because of all the Ivies, the word “athletic” seems to peg Dartmouth the best. But maybe that just means everyone graduates with skiing ability

You’d be surprised how little a different the grad students make! It’s still a tiny place. The PhD programs are small enough that they’re barely noticeable. As a Tuck grad, I can say that the MBA and MD populations are so small that all of the MBAs know each other, we knew a decent amount of students in the MD program, and there were few enough social options that we found ourselves invited to undergraduate fraternity parties. Hanover and the surrounding area have a small enough community that if I took my car to a nearby town for an errand, someone else would notice and ask what I was doing over that way. A lot of undergrads love it there so much that they return for grad school (we called it “double Dartmouth”) so that made the community feel even smaller.

Re: sports- it is a sporty place overall but varsity sports are hampered by the weather which shortens outdoor training seasons, and by the facilities. Only Columbia has worse facilities in my opinion. The athletic department just announced a huge capital plan, and I think that may improve their success in the future.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The fact that Dartmouth has so many PhD programs and MBA and MD must change its feel somewhat, at least enough to heighten the contrast vs. all the SLACs mentioned in this thread.

What a great brand it is, with its mountain-appropriate green-and-white color scheme, Ivy League pedigree, and winter carnival tradition — no wonder teenagers want to go there so much. Getting turned down by Dartmouth after you fall head over heels in love with it must be brutal; it was for my son and for one of my HS flames (the latter ended up working there).

It is surprising to me that the sports teams don’t win more Ivy League championships, because of all the Ivies, the word “athletic” seems to peg Dartmouth the best. But maybe that just means everyone graduates with skiing ability

You’d be surprised how little a different the grad students make! It’s still a tiny place. The PhD programs are small enough that they’re barely noticeable. As a Tuck grad, I can say that the MBA and MD populations are so small that all of the MBAs know each other, we knew a decent amount of students in the MD program, and there were few enough social options that we found ourselves invited to undergraduate fraternity parties. Hanover and the surrounding area have a small enough community that if I took my car to a nearby town for an errand, someone else would notice and ask what I was doing over that way. A lot of undergrads love it there so much that they return for grad school (we called it “double Dartmouth”) so that made the community feel even smaller.

Re: sports- it is a sporty place overall but varsity sports are hampered by the weather which shortens outdoor training seasons, and by the facilities. Only Columbia has worse facilities in my opinion. The athletic department just announced a huge capital plan, and I think that may improve their success in the future.

That is an understatement.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The 2024 Wall Street Journal College Rankings were released this morning. The rankings focus on return on investment (ROI).

Dartmouth College was ranked #21 (above schools such as #24 Cornell, #25 Northwestern, #26 WashUStL, #30 Davidson College, #31 Williams College, #32 Notre Dame, and #37 U Chicago).

Kenyon College was ranked much lower at a dismal #298.

Does anyone have a link to the most updated version of this ranking on ROI?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The 2024 Wall Street Journal College Rankings were released this morning. The rankings focus on return on investment (ROI).

Dartmouth College was ranked #21 (above schools such as #24 Cornell, #25 Northwestern, #26 WashUStL, #30 Davidson College, #31 Williams College, #32 Notre Dame, and #37 U Chicago).

Kenyon College was ranked much lower at a dismal #298.

Does anyone have a link to the most updated version of this ranking on ROI?

The data / ranking above is probably the most recent data as it was released in September. Next update is probably 8 months away.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The 2024 Wall Street Journal College Rankings were released this morning. The rankings focus on return on investment (ROI).

Dartmouth College was ranked #21 (above schools such as #24 Cornell, #25 Northwestern, #26 WashUStL, #30 Davidson College, #31 Williams College, #32 Notre Dame, and #37 U Chicago).

Kenyon College was ranked much lower at a dismal #298.

Ummm. Shocking how high Vanderbilt and Lehigh are.

Does anyone have a link to the most updated version of this ranking on ROI?

The data / ranking above is probably the most recent data as it was released in September. Next update is probably 8 months away.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The 2024 Wall Street Journal College Rankings were released this morning. The rankings focus on return on investment (ROI).

Dartmouth College was ranked #21 (above schools such as #24 Cornell, #25 Northwestern, #26 WashUStL, #30 Davidson College, #31 Williams College, #32 Notre Dame, and #37 U Chicago).

Kenyon College was ranked much lower at a dismal #298.

Does anyone have a link to the most updated version of this ranking on ROI?

The data / ranking above is probably the most recent data as it was released in September. Next update is probably 8 months away.

Ummm. Shocking how high Vanderbilt and Lehigh are.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

School with a downward trajectory... site of a lot of culture war issues... long-standing issues of sexism and racism on campus... not particularly spectacular in any field... hard pass

What a silly and reductive comment -- DCUM/Colleges has degenerated into an unhelpful combination of troll farm and echo chamber for the low-information.

Obviously a college that produces accomplished alumnae like Shonda Rhimes, Laura Ingraham, Mindy Kaling, Maya Wiley, Sen Kirsten Gillebrand, and Anthem CEO Gail Boudreaux is one that excels at preparing talented women (and talented women of color) for success, across a variety of fields. Which is actually what most see as the purpose of college.

To the extent that Dartmouth (and schools like it) are accused of having 'long-standing issues of sexism and racism' (among the student body - certainly not among the administration or faculty -- and relative to comparable northeastern Ivies, not relative to southern or state universities), the key question is to what extent some attitudes or behaviors among (mostly lowerclass) students essentially reflect the society around them - and help maturing students consider how to think and respond to those behaviors (rather than shield them in a hothouse for four years).

As for so-called culture-war issues, isn't college exactly where you want those to play out? I guess the alternative is a place with uniformity of thought, but that seems to defeat the purpose of liberal arts education (although honestly many DCUM commenters don't seem to be fans of a liberal arts education).

Wait, did you say Laura Ingraham?
ROFL

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How is it if you are not a drinker/partier as a guy?

Are there really that many "partying" teenagers these days, and are the one's that do party also getting the grades and extracurriculars needed to get into an Ovy?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What is Dartmouth even good at besides being a landing ground for trust fund kids and country club types….?

My Pop Warner coach went to Dartmouth, and though he seemed like a middle aged drunk he didn't seem like a truck fund kid.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:For guys, only?

Now I understand what the "Dart" is.