PSA about Dartmouth

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Anonymous wrote:PSA: It's a woefully overrated school that simply will not be a good experience for POC who aren't extremely skilled at code switching and playing white.

+100.

For those of you who believe in white supremacy culture or whatever, why do you think a POC should attend a top school in the country but emerge without the ability to interact with said culture? Serious question.

Can someone answer this? Even if you believe in this notion that the dominant culture of America, particularly at the highest level of society and the economy, is "white," why should students of color seek to avoid exposure to this culture? Why would you attend Dartmouth College, one of the most elite institutions in the country, hoping to be shielded from and to evade what you characterize as the dominant culture of the United States. At a minimum, wouldn't you want to learn how to "code switch" so as to put yourself in a position down the road to subvert this horrible culture?

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Apparently the thousands of members of the DMV white supremacy community who are interested in elite New England colleges are sleeping late today after their Labor Day cookouts.

It’s time to get back to trying to make the OP feel bad for raising a smart kid.

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Anonymous wrote:This is an interesting read.

https://www.koppelmangroup.com/blog/2018/3/14/schools-similar-to-dartmouth

That article is interesting. A lot of LACs on the list. I've heard the Vandy comparison before too.
The social scene and Hanover environment are good to know about. Unlike Penn or Brown or Vandy, you don't many off-campus options. It is most like Williams to me in that regard.

Several years ago, I read this article a couple times. Used to have Case Western Reserve on the list as well, but apparently this school was removed after many disagreed.

Vanderbilt isn't really as similar to Dartmouth as the article suggests. Vanderbilt is much larger & it is located in a lively city--Nashville. The key to Dartmouth College is its rural, isolated location. (Vanderbilt is much more similar to Northwestern University, Duke, Emory, WashUStL, and Rice than it is to Dartmouth College.)

Dartmouth isn't really similar to Kenyon College either. The demographics at Kenyon have shifted to being very liberal & rural, isolated Kenyon College is tiny. The difference is that Dartmouth attracts more mainstream students and has a decent sized student body that enhances the rural, isolated location while Kenyon's tiny student body makes the rural, isolated location seem constricting. (Kenyon College is more similar to Grinnell College & Hamilton College.)

Dartmouth College is similar to Colgate & Middlebury & Bucknell & Colby.

A lot of misunderstanding here. Kenyon certainly has a lot of liberal students but every single one of these schools does, especially Dartmouth. In terms of wokeness (liberal to the point of dogmatism) Kenyon does a far better job avoiding it than most. https://reason.com/2019/05/02/10-colleges-where-you-wont-have-to-walk-on-eggshells/

In terms of size, Kenyon is basically the same size as the other LACs mentioned with some 1800 students. Dartmouth is compared to these LACs because it actually is pretty small for an Ivy with 4500.

Everyone single one of the schools mentioned above are basically in the middle of nowhere including Dartmouth but Kenyon is in fact an hour away from Columbus which has a population of nearly one million.

Culturally and geographically, all of these schools have a lot in common. Bizarre that you would think Hamilton and Colby are at different ends of any sort of spectrum. Hamilton in fact is often considered a very preppy school that has the sort of kids you imagine going to Dartmouth. But I think your perception of a typical Dartmouth student is dated. In general, your stereotypes are dated or just off.

You certainly encapsulated your post with your first 5 words.

Bizarre that you think that rural, isolated schools with just 1,800 students is the same as a school with 4,500 students.

Your scattered post suggests that you didn't take any time to think before writing.

Dartmouth College is similar to Colgate & Middlebury & Bucknell & Colby.

These schools are all somewhat larger than Kenyon but significantly smaller than Dartmouth. They are all in quite isolated areas and near small towns. In any event I think the point of the article was to reveal characteristics of different schools that have perceived overlap with Dartmouth, not to argue the schools are carbon copies. As you note, some on the list are bigger, some are smaller.

I am the poster who originally wrote the bolded.

Relatively speaking, Kenyon has a more liberal student body than does Dartmouth College.

As I said, this is a dated stereotype of Dartmouth (based probably on Dartmouth Review back in the 80s). https://www.thecollegefix.com/eight-percent-of-recent-dartmouth-grads-are-conservative-survey-finds/

Dartmouth isn’t Oberlin but it has become like most other schools. Bucknell and Colgate may still veer a little conservative but I’ve been hearing anecdotes with respect to Colgate to the contrary. Colby and Midd are in no sense conservative now.

What are you talking about ?

You should research the meaning of the term: "relativley speaking".

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Anonymous wrote:This is an interesting read.

https://www.koppelmangroup.com/blog/2018/3/14/schools-similar-to-dartmouth

That article is interesting. A lot of LACs on the list. I've heard the Vandy comparison before too.
The social scene and Hanover environment are good to know about. Unlike Penn or Brown or Vandy, you don't many off-campus options. It is most like Williams to me in that regard.

Several years ago, I read this article a couple times. Used to have Case Western Reserve on the list as well, but apparently this school was removed after many disagreed.

Vanderbilt isn't really as similar to Dartmouth as the article suggests. Vanderbilt is much larger & it is located in a lively city--Nashville. The key to Dartmouth College is its rural, isolated location. (Vanderbilt is much more similar to Northwestern University, Duke, Emory, WashUStL, and Rice than it is to Dartmouth College.)

Dartmouth isn't really similar to Kenyon College either. The demographics at Kenyon have shifted to being very liberal & rural, isolated Kenyon College is tiny. The difference is that Dartmouth attracts more mainstream students and has a decent sized student body that enhances the rural, isolated location while Kenyon's tiny student body makes the rural, isolated location seem constricting. (Kenyon College is more similar to Grinnell College & Hamilton College.)

Dartmouth College is similar to Colgate & Middlebury & Bucknell & Colby.

A lot of misunderstanding here. Kenyon certainly has a lot of liberal students but every single one of these schools does, especially Dartmouth. In terms of wokeness (liberal to the point of dogmatism) Kenyon does a far better job avoiding it than most. https://reason.com/2019/05/02/10-colleges-where-you-wont-have-to-walk-on-eggshells/

In terms of size, Kenyon is basically the same size as the other LACs mentioned with some 1800 students. Dartmouth is compared to these LACs because it actually is pretty small for an Ivy with 4500.

Everyone single one of the schools mentioned above are basically in the middle of nowhere including Dartmouth but Kenyon is in fact an hour away from Columbus which has a population of nearly one million.

Culturally and geographically, all of these schools have a lot in common. Bizarre that you would think Hamilton and Colby are at different ends of any sort of spectrum. Hamilton in fact is often considered a very preppy school that has the sort of kids you imagine going to Dartmouth. But I think your perception of a typical Dartmouth student is dated. In general, your stereotypes are dated or just off.

You certainly encapsulated your post with your first 5 words.

Bizarre that you think that rural, isolated schools with just 1,800 students is the same as a school with 4,500 students.

Your scattered post suggests that you didn't take any time to think before writing.

Dartmouth College is similar to Colgate & Middlebury & Bucknell & Colby.

These schools are all somewhat larger than Kenyon but significantly smaller than Dartmouth. They are all in quite isolated areas and near small towns. In any event I think the point of the article was to reveal characteristics of different schools that have perceived overlap with Dartmouth, not to argue the schools are carbon copies. As you note, some on the list are bigger, some are smaller.

I am the poster who originally wrote the bolded.

Relatively speaking, Kenyon has a more liberal student body than does Dartmouth College.

As I said, this is a dated stereotype of Dartmouth (based probably on Dartmouth Review back in the 80s). https://www.thecollegefix.com/eight-percent-of-recent-dartmouth-grads-are-conservative-survey-finds/

Dartmouth isn’t Oberlin but it has become like most other schools. Bucknell and Colgate may still veer a little conservative but I’ve been hearing anecdotes with respect to Colgate to the contrary. Colby and Midd are in no sense conservative now.

You are projecting your thoughts by injecting the word "conservative" into the discussion. The term that I used was "mainstream", not "conservative".

Please read other posts more carefully before attempting to criticize then parrot.

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School with a downward trajectory... site of a lot of culture war issues... long-standing issues of sexism and racism on campus... not particularly spectacular in any field... hard pass.

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Anonymous wrote:School with a downward trajectory... site of a lot of culture war issues... long-standing issues of sexism and racism on campus... not particularly spectacular in any field... hard pass.

No ties to Dartmouth but it seems like a culturally and academically significant college that is evolving like many others and that we should certainly preserve as an incubator of future leaders - unless you’re just a troll or nihilist.

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Anonymous wrote:This is an interesting read.

https://www.koppelmangroup.com/blog/2018/3/14/schools-similar-to-dartmouth

That article is interesting. A lot of LACs on the list. I've heard the Vandy comparison before too.
The social scene and Hanover environment are good to know about. Unlike Penn or Brown or Vandy, you don't many off-campus options. It is most like Williams to me in that regard.

Several years ago, I read this article a couple times. Used to have Case Western Reserve on the list as well, but apparently this school was removed after many disagreed.

Vanderbilt isn't really as similar to Dartmouth as the article suggests. Vanderbilt is much larger & it is located in a lively city--Nashville. The key to Dartmouth College is its rural, isolated location. (Vanderbilt is much more similar to Northwestern University, Duke, Emory, WashUStL, and Rice than it is to Dartmouth College.)

Dartmouth isn't really similar to Kenyon College either. The demographics at Kenyon have shifted to being very liberal & rural, isolated Kenyon College is tiny. The difference is that Dartmouth attracts more mainstream students and has a decent sized student body that enhances the rural, isolated location while Kenyon's tiny student body makes the rural, isolated location seem constricting. (Kenyon College is more similar to Grinnell College & Hamilton College.)

Dartmouth College is similar to Colgate & Middlebury & Bucknell & Colby.

A lot of misunderstanding here. Kenyon certainly has a lot of liberal students but every single one of these schools does, especially Dartmouth. In terms of wokeness (liberal to the point of dogmatism) Kenyon does a far better job avoiding it than most. https://reason.com/2019/05/02/10-colleges-where-you-wont-have-to-walk-on-eggshells/

In terms of size, Kenyon is basically the same size as the other LACs mentioned with some 1800 students. Dartmouth is compared to these LACs because it actually is pretty small for an Ivy with 4500.

Everyone single one of the schools mentioned above are basically in the middle of nowhere including Dartmouth but Kenyon is in fact an hour away from Columbus which has a population of nearly one million.

Culturally and geographically, all of these schools have a lot in common. Bizarre that you would think Hamilton and Colby are at different ends of any sort of spectrum. Hamilton in fact is often considered a very preppy school that has the sort of kids you imagine going to Dartmouth. But I think your perception of a typical Dartmouth student is dated. In general, your stereotypes are dated or just off.

You certainly encapsulated your post with your first 5 words.

Bizarre that you think that rural, isolated schools with just 1,800 students is the same as a school with 4,500 students.

Your scattered post suggests that you didn't take any time to think before writing.

Dartmouth College is similar to Colgate & Middlebury & Bucknell & Colby.

These schools are all somewhat larger than Kenyon but significantly smaller than Dartmouth. They are all in quite isolated areas and near small towns. In any event I think the point of the article was to reveal characteristics of different schools that have perceived overlap with Dartmouth, not to argue the schools are carbon copies. As you note, some on the list are bigger, some are smaller.

I am the poster who originally wrote the bolded.

Relatively speaking, Kenyon has a more liberal student body than does Dartmouth College.

As I said, this is a dated stereotype of Dartmouth (based probably on Dartmouth Review back in the 80s). https://www.thecollegefix.com/eight-percent-of-recent-dartmouth-grads-are-conservative-survey-finds/

Dartmouth isn’t Oberlin but it has become like most other schools. Bucknell and Colgate may still veer a little conservative but I’ve been hearing anecdotes with respect to Colgate to the contrary. Colby and Midd are in no sense conservative now.

You are projecting your thoughts by injecting the word "conservative" into the discussion. The term that I used was "mainstream", not "conservative".

Please read other posts more carefully before attempting to criticize then parrot.

The term you used most recently was “liberal.” I went out on a limb with the idea that the opposite of liberal is conservative. In any event your premise that Dartmouth is meaningfully less liberal is weak. Both schools are likely overwhelmingly liberal like almost all college campuses nowadays. And it may surprise you that Kenyon actually has some strong conservative voices, especially in the political science department. There are some interesting podcasts out there.

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Agree that the school has lots of gender issues, poor treatment of women, far too much drinking. My neighbor, a wealthy Dartmouth alum, stopped donating a few years ago because he believed the school was failing to evolve, especially with regard to the treatment of women.

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Anonymous wrote:School with a downward trajectory... site of a lot of culture war issues... long-standing issues of sexism and racism on campus... not particularly spectacular in any field... hard pass.

No ties to Dartmouth but it seems like a culturally and academically significant college that is evolving like many others and that we should certainly preserve as an incubator of future leaders - unless you’re just a troll or nihilist.

Actually, DEVOLVING into mindless woke/DEI orthodoxy like the rest of the Ivies. It's a shame.

I’m sure Christopher Rufo can find a place for you. Others might prefer a school that is trying to come to terms with its past in productive ways to ensure its continued relevance.

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Anonymous wrote:School with a downward trajectory... site of a lot of culture war issues... long-standing issues of sexism and racism on campus... not particularly spectacular in any field... hard pass.

No ties to Dartmouth but it seems like a culturally and academically significant college that is evolving like many others and that we should certainly preserve as an incubator of future leaders - unless you’re just a troll or nihilist.

Actually, DEVOLVING into mindless woke/DEI orthodoxy like the rest of the Ivies. It's a shame.

I’m sure Christopher Rufo can find a place for you. Others might prefer a school that is trying to come to terms with its past in productive ways to ensure its continued relevance.

I would be honored. I suppose you think liberal values are no longer relevant at a liberal arts institution. Racist ideas of dead white males.

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Anonymous wrote:This is an interesting read.

https://www.koppelmangroup.com/blog/2018/3/14/schools-similar-to-dartmouth

That article is interesting. A lot of LACs on the list. I've heard the Vandy comparison before too.
The social scene and Hanover environment are good to know about. Unlike Penn or Brown or Vandy, you don't many off-campus options. It is most like Williams to me in that regard.

Several years ago, I read this article a couple times. Used to have Case Western Reserve on the list as well, but apparently this school was removed after many disagreed.

Vanderbilt isn't really as similar to Dartmouth as the article suggests. Vanderbilt is much larger & it is located in a lively city--Nashville. The key to Dartmouth College is its rural, isolated location. (Vanderbilt is much more similar to Northwestern University, Duke, Emory, WashUStL, and Rice than it is to Dartmouth College.)

Dartmouth isn't really similar to Kenyon College either. The demographics at Kenyon have shifted to being very liberal & rural, isolated Kenyon College is tiny. The difference is that Dartmouth attracts more mainstream students and has a decent sized student body that enhances the rural, isolated location while Kenyon's tiny student body makes the rural, isolated location seem constricting. (Kenyon College is more similar to Grinnell College & Hamilton College.)

Dartmouth College is similar to Colgate & Middlebury & Bucknell & Colby.

A lot of misunderstanding here. Kenyon certainly has a lot of liberal students but every single one of these schools does, especially Dartmouth. In terms of wokeness (liberal to the point of dogmatism) Kenyon does a far better job avoiding it than most. https://reason.com/2019/05/02/10-colleges-where-you-wont-have-to-walk-on-eggshells/

In terms of size, Kenyon is basically the same size as the other LACs mentioned with some 1800 students. Dartmouth is compared to these LACs because it actually is pretty small for an Ivy with 4500.

Everyone single one of the schools mentioned above are basically in the middle of nowhere including Dartmouth but Kenyon is in fact an hour away from Columbus which has a population of nearly one million.

Culturally and geographically, all of these schools have a lot in common. Bizarre that you would think Hamilton and Colby are at different ends of any sort of spectrum. Hamilton in fact is often considered a very preppy school that has the sort of kids you imagine going to Dartmouth. But I think your perception of a typical Dartmouth student is dated. In general, your stereotypes are dated or just off.

You certainly encapsulated your post with your first 5 words.

Bizarre that you think that rural, isolated schools with just 1,800 students is the same as a school with 4,500 students.

Your scattered post suggests that you didn't take any time to think before writing.

Dartmouth College is similar to Colgate & Middlebury & Bucknell & Colby.

These schools are all somewhat larger than Kenyon but significantly smaller than Dartmouth. They are all in quite isolated areas and near small towns. In any event I think the point of the article was to reveal characteristics of different schools that have perceived overlap with Dartmouth, not to argue the schools are carbon copies. As you note, some on the list are bigger, some are smaller.

I am the poster who originally wrote the bolded.

Relatively speaking, Kenyon has a more liberal student body than does Dartmouth College.

As I said, this is a dated stereotype of Dartmouth (based probably on Dartmouth Review back in the 80s). https://www.thecollegefix.com/eight-percent-of-recent-dartmouth-grads-are-conservative-survey-finds/

Dartmouth isn’t Oberlin but it has become like most other schools. Bucknell and Colgate may still veer a little conservative but I’ve been hearing anecdotes with respect to Colgate to the contrary. Colby and Midd are in no sense conservative now.

You are projecting your thoughts by injecting the word "conservative" into the discussion. The term that I used was "mainstream", not "conservative".

Please read other posts more carefully before attempting to criticize then parrot.

The term you used most recently was “liberal.” I went out on a limb with the idea that the opposite of liberal is conservative. In any event your premise that Dartmouth is meaningfully less liberal is weak. Both schools are likely overwhelmingly liberal like almost all college campuses nowadays. And it may surprise you that Kenyon actually has some strong conservative voices, especially in the political science department. There are some interesting podcasts out there.

You still do not want to understand--maybe you just want to argue. And, clearly, you are unfamiliar with Kenyon.

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Anonymous wrote:School with a downward trajectory... site of a lot of culture war issues... long-standing issues of sexism and racism on campus... not particularly spectacular in any field... hard pass.

Succinctly put.

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Anonymous wrote:This is an interesting read.

https://www.koppelmangroup.com/blog/2018/3/14/schools-similar-to-dartmouth

That article is interesting. A lot of LACs on the list. I've heard the Vandy comparison before too.
The social scene and Hanover environment are good to know about. Unlike Penn or Brown or Vandy, you don't many off-campus options. It is most like Williams to me in that regard.

Several years ago, I read this article a couple times. Used to have Case Western Reserve on the list as well, but apparently this school was removed after many disagreed.

Vanderbilt isn't really as similar to Dartmouth as the article suggests. Vanderbilt is much larger & it is located in a lively city--Nashville. The key to Dartmouth College is its rural, isolated location. (Vanderbilt is much more similar to Northwestern University, Duke, Emory, WashUStL, and Rice than it is to Dartmouth College.)

Dartmouth isn't really similar to Kenyon College either. The demographics at Kenyon have shifted to being very liberal & rural, isolated Kenyon College is tiny. The difference is that Dartmouth attracts more mainstream students and has a decent sized student body that enhances the rural, isolated location while Kenyon's tiny student body makes the rural, isolated location seem constricting. (Kenyon College is more similar to Grinnell College & Hamilton College.)

Dartmouth College is similar to Colgate & Middlebury & Bucknell & Colby.

A lot of misunderstanding here. Kenyon certainly has a lot of liberal students but every single one of these schools does, especially Dartmouth. In terms of wokeness (liberal to the point of dogmatism) Kenyon does a far better job avoiding it than most. https://reason.com/2019/05/02/10-colleges-where-you-wont-have-to-walk-on-eggshells/

In terms of size, Kenyon is basically the same size as the other LACs mentioned with some 1800 students. Dartmouth is compared to these LACs because it actually is pretty small for an Ivy with 4500.

Everyone single one of the schools mentioned above are basically in the middle of nowhere including Dartmouth but Kenyon is in fact an hour away from Columbus which has a population of nearly one million.

Culturally and geographically, all of these schools have a lot in common. Bizarre that you would think Hamilton and Colby are at different ends of any sort of spectrum. Hamilton in fact is often considered a very preppy school that has the sort of kids you imagine going to Dartmouth. But I think your perception of a typical Dartmouth student is dated. In general, your stereotypes are dated or just off.

You certainly encapsulated your post with your first 5 words.

Bizarre that you think that rural, isolated schools with just 1,800 students is the same as a school with 4,500 students.

Your scattered post suggests that you didn't take any time to think before writing.

Dartmouth College is similar to Colgate & Middlebury & Bucknell & Colby.

These schools are all somewhat larger than Kenyon but significantly smaller than Dartmouth. They are all in quite isolated areas and near small towns. In any event I think the point of the article was to reveal characteristics of different schools that have perceived overlap with Dartmouth, not to argue the schools are carbon copies. As you note, some on the list are bigger, some are smaller.

I am the poster who originally wrote the bolded.

Relatively speaking, Kenyon has a more liberal student body than does Dartmouth College.

As I said, this is a dated stereotype of Dartmouth (based probably on Dartmouth Review back in the 80s). https://www.thecollegefix.com/eight-percent-of-recent-dartmouth-grads-are-conservative-survey-finds/

Dartmouth isn’t Oberlin but it has become like most other schools. Bucknell and Colgate may still veer a little conservative but I’ve been hearing anecdotes with respect to Colgate to the contrary. Colby and Midd are in no sense conservative now.

You are projecting your thoughts by injecting the word "conservative" into the discussion. The term that I used was "mainstream", not "conservative".

Please read other posts more carefully before attempting to criticize then parrot.

The term you used most recently was “liberal.” I went out on a limb with the idea that the opposite of liberal is conservative. In any event your premise that Dartmouth is meaningfully less liberal is weak. Both schools are likely overwhelmingly liberal like almost all college campuses nowadays. And it may surprise you that Kenyon actually has some strong conservative voices, especially in the political science department. There are some interesting podcasts out there.

You still do not want to understand--maybe you just want to argue. And, clearly, you are unfamiliar with Kenyon.

Idk I was in Gambier two weeks ago dropping my kid off. Were you? My overall point is that you are making these broad assessments of the personality of the student body that really aren’t grounded in reality. Within any liberal arts school you are going to have a range of personalities that go from way out there politically or otherwise to narrowly pre-professional. But even at a school like Oberlin or a school like Bucknell you are going to have a mix, albeit with clear tilts. All the schools discussed above are in the same basic zip code. You are stereotyping Kenyon students as non-mainstream (creative oddballs or political activists I guess) while in another thread people will be blasting the lack of diversity and preponderance of preppy rich kids. The truth is, these schools have fairly similar student bodies with a lot of internal diversity- athletes, scientists, artists, etc. There is too much of a tendency to apply the liberal weirdo vs preppy lax bro label to entire schools. All schools have both and a lot in between.

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So the open-minded people who prize diversity are irate that Dartmouth isn’t marching in lockstep with the other Ivies? Ok.

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Anonymous wrote:So the open-minded people who prize diversity are irate that Dartmouth isn’t marching in lockstep with the other Ivies? Ok.

But it is. Maybe not fast enough for them. But it’s never fast enough