MCPS teachers - what would you tell parents in your class(es) if you could?

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Anonymous wrote:Depends - if they have an iep? I’d tell them that most of the services are delivered by the general Ed teacher because inclusion spec Ed teachers are stretched too thin and we spend so much time on paperwork and not with kids. I’d also tell them no matter what they “advocate for” in the iep, it doesn’t actually happen during the school day due to limited resources and time so half the time we just agree to make you go away


We know. Thanks for being a failure in your life's work.


Likewise for being a failure at actual life. (Lack of empathy is the first sign of being a psychopath)



"I decided to use an anonymous forum to taunt distraught parents of special needs kids in a blasé manner about how we fail their children. But you're the psychopath! Poor me!"
PP




The thread is what we would tell parents if we could. I appreciated that teachers transparency and didn't read it as a taunt. You're clearly dissatisfied with your child's service, but you're lashing out to someone who is telling you there is literally nothing they can do to solve your problem.


I’m the one who posted about spec Ed. Not a taunt just the hard truth. And I’m not a failure at my job, I’m actually a really good spec Ed teacher and I advocate hard for the kids on my caseload. But these are the truths of the conditions in mcps and that’s what the thread asked about. Sometimes I wish parents knew so they didn’t believe the BS . That being said, parents should not be angry at the teachers - it’s the system and lack of appropriate resources


If you really wanted parents to know, why not tell them instead of lying to them to get them to “go away”? I don’t get it. That’s something that is absolutely in your power to do, and doesn’t even take a lot of effort.


And get fired ? Or written up by my boss/ supervisor for telling you that? No way


People outside teaching have no idea what pressures teachers face. No idea at all. I wish it were as simple as the PPs suggest re: just talking to parents.


In that case, let’s at least agree that the public school staff knowingly lying to parents of children with special needs don’t own the moral high ground.

I still don't understand the support in this thread for teachers actively participating in covering-up malfeasance, but I guess some people think that's ok for... reasons.


DCUM asks for the truth from real teachers and just cannot handle it.


I guess that’s it. I expected that they would at least try to act in good faith, and be remorseful when they don’t. Apparently that wasn’t a realistic expectation. As you suggested, it’s a bit shocking.


I’m the OP who shocked everyone with comments about spec Ed. I never said there is lack of good faith or lack of attempt to implement. There is. But at the end of the day, there are many unreasonable requests from parents , advocates and lawyers and they just cannot be provided the way the iep is written. But I can’t say that and there is no way my admin will say it. Some admin will say it depending on the parent but if they have representation (lawyer or advocate) we agree to it all usually. It’s just not worth fighting. But this forum asked what I want you to know. I want you to know that if you have a case manager with 20 kids on a caseload , serving 3 grade levels or more, and large class sizes …. It might not be happening!

I'm a np. Can you give us some examples of unreasonable requests by parents? It seems like parents of sped students rightfully are so focused on fighting for their kids (understandable) that they aren't looking at the bigger picture.


Different poster, and I'm an SLP and case manager. The most frequent difficult request I get is to increase service time or see them individually. Or to not pull them out of specific classes.

I have one student that has 4x the service time that most come in with and the parents don't want them seen in a group and don't want them missing class. It's just not possible. There aren't enough hours in the day. Or the parents who want me to address things that don't affect academics, and their kid who doesn't even want to address it. It's just not how the system is set up.

We operate differently than private practice SLPs. We are just as qualified, but the job itself has its restraints.
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Anonymous wrote:Parent here - does your principal/school admin support you in your work or hinder you?


Currently I'm mostly supported (that's not always the case). But their hands are tied with certain things too that they can't budge even if they wanted to.
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Anonymous wrote:Depends - if they have an iep? I’d tell them that most of the services are delivered by the general Ed teacher because inclusion spec Ed teachers are stretched too thin and we spend so much time on paperwork and not with kids. I’d also tell them no matter what they “advocate for” in the iep, it doesn’t actually happen during the school day due to limited resources and time so half the time we just agree to make you go away


We know. Thanks for being a failure in your life's work.


Likewise for being a failure at actual life. (Lack of empathy is the first sign of being a psychopath)



"I decided to use an anonymous forum to taunt distraught parents of special needs kids in a blasé manner about how we fail their children. But you're the psychopath! Poor me!"
PP




The thread is what we would tell parents if we could. I appreciated that teachers transparency and didn't read it as a taunt. You're clearly dissatisfied with your child's service, but you're lashing out to someone who is telling you there is literally nothing they can do to solve your problem.


I’m the one who posted about spec Ed. Not a taunt just the hard truth. And I’m not a failure at my job, I’m actually a really good spec Ed teacher and I advocate hard for the kids on my caseload. But these are the truths of the conditions in mcps and that’s what the thread asked about. Sometimes I wish parents knew so they didn’t believe the BS . That being said, parents should not be angry at the teachers - it’s the system and lack of appropriate resources


If you really wanted parents to know, why not tell them instead of lying to them to get them to “go away”? I don’t get it. That’s something that is absolutely in your power to do, and doesn’t even take a lot of effort.


And get fired ? Or written up by my boss/ supervisor for telling you that? No way


People outside teaching have no idea what pressures teachers face. No idea at all. I wish it were as simple as the PPs suggest re: just talking to parents.


In that case, let’s at least agree that the public school staff knowingly lying to parents of children with special needs don’t own the moral high ground.

I still don't understand the support in this thread for teachers actively participating in covering-up malfeasance, but I guess some people think that's ok for... reasons.


DCUM asks for the truth from real teachers and just cannot handle it.


I guess that’s it. I expected that they would at least try to act in good faith, and be remorseful when they don’t. Apparently that wasn’t a realistic expectation. As you suggested, it’s a bit shocking.


I’m the OP who shocked everyone with comments about spec Ed. I never said there is lack of good faith or lack of attempt to implement. There is. But at the end of the day, there are many unreasonable requests from parents , advocates and lawyers and they just cannot be provided the way the iep is written. But I can’t say that and there is no way my admin will say it. Some admin will say it depending on the parent but if they have representation (lawyer or advocate) we agree to it all usually. It’s just not worth fighting. But this forum asked what I want you to know. I want you to know that if you have a case manager with 20 kids on a caseload , serving 3 grade levels or more, and large class sizes …. It might not be happening!

I'm a np. Can you give us some examples of unreasonable requests by parents? It seems like parents of sped students rightfully are so focused on fighting for their kids (understandable) that they aren't looking at the bigger picture.


Different poster, and I'm an SLP and case manager. The most frequent difficult request I get is to increase service time or see them individually. Or to not pull them out of specific classes.

I have one student that has 4x the service time that most come in with and the parents don't want them seen in a group and don't want them missing class. It's just not possible. There aren't enough hours in the day. Or the parents who want me to address things that don't affect academics, and their kid who doesn't even want to address it. It's just not how the system is set up.

We operate differently than private practice SLPs. We are just as qualified, but the job itself has its restraints.


As a parent of 3 who did speech, I understand where you’re coming from. However, the speech services provided are pretty useless. If you have a group of 3 students for 30 minutes, each student is getting 10 minutes of intervention a week assuming you don’t lose time gathering students and they are all ready to get down to business at the first minute of the allotted session. My son had apraxia. MCPS refused to provide appropriate services. Treatment for apraxia differs from articulation or phonological disorder. It can’t be done in a group. I loved our MCPS speech therapists. This isn’t the SLP’s fault at all but MCPS. However as a parent, the SLP is the point person so I contacted her when I wanted a change in service. What should a parent do instead? And fwiw, we supplemented with private for all 3 kids. MCPS needs to get on the ball with children with disabilities. Aside from autism, they do a terrible job. We did a lot of private testing, private therapy and hired advocates. It was expensive. What about parents who don’t understand how to navigate the system and don’t have money for outside services and advocates. These kids get the shaft. Not your fault or any teachers fault. It’s a systemic failure but it makes me so mad.
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Anonymous wrote:Depends - if they have an iep? I’d tell them that most of the services are delivered by the general Ed teacher because inclusion spec Ed teachers are stretched too thin and we spend so much time on paperwork and not with kids. I’d also tell them no matter what they “advocate for” in the iep, it doesn’t actually happen during the school day due to limited resources and time so half the time we just agree to make you go away


We know. Thanks for being a failure in your life's work.


Likewise for being a failure at actual life. (Lack of empathy is the first sign of being a psychopath)



"I decided to use an anonymous forum to taunt distraught parents of special needs kids in a blasé manner about how we fail their children. But you're the psychopath! Poor me!"
PP




The thread is what we would tell parents if we could. I appreciated that teachers transparency and didn't read it as a taunt. You're clearly dissatisfied with your child's service, but you're lashing out to someone who is telling you there is literally nothing they can do to solve your problem.


I’m the one who posted about spec Ed. Not a taunt just the hard truth. And I’m not a failure at my job, I’m actually a really good spec Ed teacher and I advocate hard for the kids on my caseload. But these are the truths of the conditions in mcps and that’s what the thread asked about. Sometimes I wish parents knew so they didn’t believe the BS . That being said, parents should not be angry at the teachers - it’s the system and lack of appropriate resources


If you really wanted parents to know, why not tell them instead of lying to them to get them to “go away”? I don’t get it. That’s something that is absolutely in your power to do, and doesn’t even take a lot of effort.


And get fired ? Or written up by my boss/ supervisor for telling you that? No way


People outside teaching have no idea what pressures teachers face. No idea at all. I wish it were as simple as the PPs suggest re: just talking to parents.


In that case, let’s at least agree that the public school staff knowingly lying to parents of children with special needs don’t own the moral high ground.

I still don't understand the support in this thread for teachers actively participating in covering-up malfeasance, but I guess some people think that's ok for... reasons.


DCUM asks for the truth from real teachers and just cannot handle it.


I guess that’s it. I expected that they would at least try to act in good faith, and be remorseful when they don’t. Apparently that wasn’t a realistic expectation. As you suggested, it’s a bit shocking.


I’m the OP who shocked everyone with comments about spec Ed. I never said there is lack of good faith or lack of attempt to implement. There is. But at the end of the day, there are many unreasonable requests from parents , advocates and lawyers and they just cannot be provided the way the iep is written. But I can’t say that and there is no way my admin will say it. Some admin will say it depending on the parent but if they have representation (lawyer or advocate) we agree to it all usually. It’s just not worth fighting. But this forum asked what I want you to know. I want you to know that if you have a case manager with 20 kids on a caseload , serving 3 grade levels or more, and large class sizes …. It might not be happening!

I'm a np. Can you give us some examples of unreasonable requests by parents? It seems like parents of sped students rightfully are so focused on fighting for their kids (understandable) that they aren't looking at the bigger picture.


Different poster, and I'm an SLP and case manager. The most frequent difficult request I get is to increase service time or see them individually. Or to not pull them out of specific classes.

I have one student that has 4x the service time that most come in with and the parents don't want them seen in a group and don't want them missing class. It's just not possible. There aren't enough hours in the day. Or the parents who want me to address things that don't affect academics, and their kid who doesn't even want to address it. It's just not how the system is set up.

We operate differently than private practice SLPs. We are just as qualified, but the job itself has its restraints.


What's clear is that the school district tries to minimize the dollars spent on special education students when the law says each child is entitled to an appropriate education.
A child who needs slp services will get some but they will be taken out of Math class inorder to do so, so the student now has 2 struggles.
Mainstream schools are not appropriate for special education children in many, many circumstances.
It is infuriating to see the school board funnel money to pet political projects instead of to students who are given the poorest, least amount of an education that mcps can "somewhat legally" get away with
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Anonymous wrote:Depends - if they have an iep? I’d tell them that most of the services are delivered by the general Ed teacher because inclusion spec Ed teachers are stretched too thin and we spend so much time on paperwork and not with kids. I’d also tell them no matter what they “advocate for” in the iep, it doesn’t actually happen during the school day due to limited resources and time so half the time we just agree to make you go away


We know. Thanks for being a failure in your life's work.


Likewise for being a failure at actual life. (Lack of empathy is the first sign of being a psychopath)



"I decided to use an anonymous forum to taunt distraught parents of special needs kids in a blasé manner about how we fail their children. But you're the psychopath! Poor me!"
PP


I have two special needs kids and did not take it that way. Anyone with a bit of common sense can see teachers and support staff are stretched far too thin. This teacher is being honest. Which was the request on the thread. Parents need to know this so we can try to make the best decisions possible for our kids.
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Anonymous wrote:Depends - if they have an iep? I’d tell them that most of the services are delivered by the general Ed teacher because inclusion spec Ed teachers are stretched too thin and we spend so much time on paperwork and not with kids. I’d also tell them no matter what they “advocate for” in the iep, it doesn’t actually happen during the school day due to limited resources and time so half the time we just agree to make you go away


We know. Thanks for being a failure in your life's work.


Likewise for being a failure at actual life. (Lack of empathy is the first sign of being a psychopath)



"I decided to use an anonymous forum to taunt distraught parents of special needs kids in a blasé manner about how we fail their children. But you're the psychopath! Poor me!"
PP




The thread is what we would tell parents if we could. I appreciated that teachers transparency and didn't read it as a taunt. You're clearly dissatisfied with your child's service, but you're lashing out to someone who is telling you there is literally nothing they can do to solve your problem.


I’m the one who posted about spec Ed. Not a taunt just the hard truth. And I’m not a failure at my job, I’m actually a really good spec Ed teacher and I advocate hard for the kids on my caseload. But these are the truths of the conditions in mcps and that’s what the thread asked about. Sometimes I wish parents knew so they didn’t believe the BS . That being said, parents should not be angry at the teachers - it’s the system and lack of appropriate resources


If you really wanted parents to know, why not tell them instead of lying to them to get them to “go away”? I don’t get it. That’s something that is absolutely in your power to do, and doesn’t even take a lot of effort.


And get fired ? Or written up by my boss/ supervisor for telling you that? No way


People outside teaching have no idea what pressures teachers face. No idea at all. I wish it were as simple as the PPs suggest re: just talking to parents.


In that case, let’s at least agree that the public school staff knowingly lying to parents of children with special needs don’t own the moral high ground.

I still don't understand the support in this thread for teachers actively participating in covering-up malfeasance, but I guess some people think that's ok for... reasons.


DCUM asks for the truth from real teachers and just cannot handle it.


I guess that’s it. I expected that they would at least try to act in good faith, and be remorseful when they don’t. Apparently that wasn’t a realistic expectation. As you suggested, it’s a bit shocking.


I’m the OP who shocked everyone with comments about spec Ed. I never said there is lack of good faith or lack of attempt to implement. There is. But at the end of the day, there are many unreasonable requests from parents , advocates and lawyers and they just cannot be provided the way the iep is written. But I can’t say that and there is no way my admin will say it. Some admin will say it depending on the parent but if they have representation (lawyer or advocate) we agree to it all usually. It’s just not worth fighting. But this forum asked what I want you to know. I want you to know that if you have a case manager with 20 kids on a caseload , serving 3 grade levels or more, and large class sizes …. It might not be happening!

I'm a np. Can you give us some examples of unreasonable requests by parents? It seems like parents of sped students rightfully are so focused on fighting for their kids (understandable) that they aren't looking at the bigger picture.


Different poster, and I'm an SLP and case manager. The most frequent difficult request I get is to increase service time or see them individually. Or to not pull them out of specific classes.

I have one student that has 4x the service time that most come in with and the parents don't want them seen in a group and don't want them missing class. It's just not possible. There aren't enough hours in the day. Or the parents who want me to address things that don't affect academics, and their kid who doesn't even want to address it. It's just not how the system is set up.

We operate differently than private practice SLPs. We are just as qualified, but the job itself has its restraints.


What's clear is that the school district tries to minimize the dollars spent on special education students when the law says each child is entitled to an appropriate education.
A child who needs slp services will get some but they will be taken out of Math class inorder to do so, so the student now has 2 struggles.
Mainstream schools are not appropriate for special education children in many, many circumstances.
It is infuriating to see the school board funnel money to pet political projects instead of to students who are given the poorest, least amount of an education that mcps can "somewhat legally" get away with


I agree. The whole model should be different. I make sure all my legal requirements are covered. And I do the very best I can for the kids gives all the parameters. But I still ask myself constantly "how is this legal?" Or maybe WHY is this legal. I constantly consider leaving for private practice but at the end of the day I know that this IS the only speech language support some of these kids have access to and I owe it to them to be there, even if it's not as robust a program as we would like.

In non teacher jobs it's the same - you could do really great things on that project if only there was a bigger budget.
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Anonymous wrote:Depends - if they have an iep? I’d tell them that most of the services are delivered by the general Ed teacher because inclusion spec Ed teachers are stretched too thin and we spend so much time on paperwork and not with kids. I’d also tell them no matter what they “advocate for” in the iep, it doesn’t actually happen during the school day due to limited resources and time so half the time we just agree to make you go away


Sad but true. We had to do everything privately. MCPS was a joke.


Us too. We ended up giving up on the iep all together. I think it just became an excuse to pass DC along. Why attend those meetings? Just let him use a keyboard and we will go away.


We terminated ours too after a terrible iep meeting. They were furious as they worried they’d lose a sped teacher as apparently we were not the only ones to do it. They refused to provide the needed supports and therapy and I was not going to pretend anymore or stress nor agree to a useless iep.


My dyslexic kids SPED teacher was quietly removed from being a classroom teacher after parent complaints on her very heavily English...so lets have her teach phonics!
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Anonymous wrote:I care about your kid. I wouldn't be here if I didn't. But we need to work as a team.

They need to show up. They need to put in the effort. I understand it's hard. I understand they aren't interested in the work. I understand that they may need to have a job, care for a sick relative, distracted by peer pressure etc etc etc etc etc. I am here to help them.

Teach them to accept help, teach them to ask for help. Teach them that in order to be successful they need to start with basic needs like food and sleep. Teach them that it's important to show up and be present. Teach them to put their phone away.

I know how to teach. I know how to form relationships. But if they don't put in the effort we're not going to make it.



You sound like a good teacher but please understand that sometimes there are reasons why kids don't ask for help. Mine will not ask for help. They had a few nasty teachers who would not help when asked or if they asked they got yelled at so even though we try to teach them every teacher is different and some are very good and want to help, they are too scared to ask for help. Maybe if you see a child struggling you can offer and just help vs. giving them the option. Once mine sees you are serious, they might be more willing to ask.


I get this. But I teach advanced HS math and when 10 out of 30 kids constantly have their hand up for extra help I run out of time to help the quiet kids who don’t proactively ask for help. I try to get to them but too many students with one teacher is an impossible environment at times
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Anonymous wrote:Depends - if they have an iep? I’d tell them that most of the services are delivered by the general Ed teacher because inclusion spec Ed teachers are stretched too thin and we spend so much time on paperwork and not with kids. I’d also tell them no matter what they “advocate for” in the iep, it doesn’t actually happen during the school day due to limited resources and time so half the time we just agree to make you go away


We know. Thanks for being a failure in your life's work.


Likewise for being a failure at actual life. (Lack of empathy is the first sign of being a psychopath)



"I decided to use an anonymous forum to taunt distraught parents of special needs kids in a blasé manner about how we fail their children. But you're the psychopath! Poor me!"
PP




The thread is what we would tell parents if we could. I appreciated that teachers transparency and didn't read it as a taunt. You're clearly dissatisfied with your child's service, but you're lashing out to someone who is telling you there is literally nothing they can do to solve your problem.


I’m the one who posted about spec Ed. Not a taunt just the hard truth. And I’m not a failure at my job, I’m actually a really good spec Ed teacher and I advocate hard for the kids on my caseload. But these are the truths of the conditions in mcps and that’s what the thread asked about. Sometimes I wish parents knew so they didn’t believe the BS . That being said, parents should not be angry at the teachers - it’s the system and lack of appropriate resources


If you really wanted parents to know, why not tell them instead of lying to them to get them to “go away”? I don’t get it. That’s something that is absolutely in your power to do, and doesn’t even take a lot of effort.


NP and lawyer here. Because MCPS is required by law to provide certain accommodations. Not being able to pay for them is not an excuse. Admitting you won't and can't provide for them is lawsuit territory. So instead they lie.


This exactly. People have to lie because there is too much work for the assigned staff and schools are terrified of lawsuits. It is an impossible situation and no one is happy about it
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Anonymous wrote:Depends - if they have an iep? I’d tell them that most of the services are delivered by the general Ed teacher because inclusion spec Ed teachers are stretched too thin and we spend so much time on paperwork and not with kids. I’d also tell them no matter what they “advocate for” in the iep, it doesn’t actually happen during the school day due to limited resources and time so half the time we just agree to make you go away


We know. Thanks for being a failure in your life's work.


Likewise for being a failure at actual life. (Lack of empathy is the first sign of being a psychopath)



"I decided to use an anonymous forum to taunt distraught parents of special needs kids in a blasé manner about how we fail their children. But you're the psychopath! Poor me!"
PP




The thread is what we would tell parents if we could. I appreciated that teachers transparency and didn't read it as a taunt. You're clearly dissatisfied with your child's service, but you're lashing out to someone who is telling you there is literally nothing they can do to solve your problem.


I’m the one who posted about spec Ed. Not a taunt just the hard truth. And I’m not a failure at my job, I’m actually a really good spec Ed teacher and I advocate hard for the kids on my caseload. But these are the truths of the conditions in mcps and that’s what the thread asked about. Sometimes I wish parents knew so they didn’t believe the BS . That being said, parents should not be angry at the teachers - it’s the system and lack of appropriate resources


If you really wanted parents to know, why not tell them instead of lying to them to get them to “go away”? I don’t get it. That’s something that is absolutely in your power to do, and doesn’t even take a lot of effort.


And get fired ? Or written up by my boss/ supervisor for telling you that? No way


People outside teaching have no idea what pressures teachers face. No idea at all. I wish it were as simple as the PPs suggest re: just talking to parents.


In that case, let’s at least agree that the public school staff knowingly lying to parents of children with special needs don’t own the moral high ground.

I still don't understand the support in this thread for teachers actively participating in covering-up malfeasance, but I guess some people think that's ok for... reasons.


DCUM asks for the truth from real teachers and just cannot handle it.


I guess that’s it. I expected that they would at least try to act in good faith, and be remorseful when they don’t. Apparently that wasn’t a realistic expectation. As you suggested, it’s a bit shocking.


I’m the OP who shocked everyone with comments about spec Ed. I never said there is lack of good faith or lack of attempt to implement. There is. But at the end of the day, there are many unreasonable requests from parents , advocates and lawyers and they just cannot be provided the way the iep is written. But I can’t say that and there is no way my admin will say it. Some admin will say it depending on the parent but if they have representation (lawyer or advocate) we agree to it all usually. It’s just not worth fighting. But this forum asked what I want you to know. I want you to know that if you have a case manager with 20 kids on a caseload , serving 3 grade levels or more, and large class sizes …. It might not be happening!

I'm a np. Can you give us some examples of unreasonable requests by parents? It seems like parents of sped students rightfully are so focused on fighting for their kids (understandable) that they aren't looking at the bigger picture.


Different poster, and I'm an SLP and case manager. The most frequent difficult request I get is to increase service time or see them individually. Or to not pull them out of specific classes.

I have one student that has 4x the service time that most come in with and the parents don't want them seen in a group and don't want them missing class. It's just not possible. There aren't enough hours in the day. Or the parents who want me to address things that don't affect academics, and their kid who doesn't even want to address it. It's just not how the system is set up.

We operate differently than private practice SLPs. We are just as qualified, but the job itself has its restraints.


What's clear is that the school district tries to minimize the dollars spent on special education students when the law says each child is entitled to an appropriate education.
A child who needs slp services will get some but they will be taken out of Math class inorder to do so, so the student now has 2 struggles.
Mainstream schools are not appropriate for special education children in many, many circumstances.
It is infuriating to see the school board funnel money to pet political projects instead of to students who are given the poorest, least amount of an education that mcps can "somewhat legally" get away with


I agree. The whole model should be different. I make sure all my legal requirements are covered. And I do the very best I can for the kids gives all the parameters. But I still ask myself constantly "how is this legal?" Or maybe WHY is this legal. I constantly consider leaving for private practice but at the end of the day I know that this IS the only speech language support some of these kids have access to and I owe it to them to be there, even if it's not as robust a program as we would like.

In non teacher jobs it's the same - you could do really great things on that project if only there was a bigger budget.


You hit the mail on the heady about legality. Some things are the way the are because of trying to ensure compliance with law. To handle some things correctly and appropriately for kids MCPS would need to setup whole different special education schools and classes with completely different staffing models. And not just for the most severe cases.
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Anonymous wrote:Don’t expect much. I literally only get 18 seconds per school day to think and plan for YOUR kid. 0.8 part time teacher = 36 minutes/day planning time with over 100 students


This would be my message, too. We are overwhelmed and we get very little time during the work day to actually get work done. I’m lucky if I get 30 minutes a day to respond to emails, look at data for all 140 students, plan lessons, grade papers, call parents, eat lunch, and go to the bathroom.



I’m not arguing but can you explain what happens to your time? You are supposed to get an hour planning/grading time per day plus a 45 minute lunch. And then some time after school. Are they making you cover other classes during your break? Or attend meetings? This seems like the kind of thing that could be grieved.


HS teacher here - I often work through lunch providing extra help to students who have trouble with my class or kids who are absent for various reasons and miss class. Also, IEP kids often get extended time so they come in at lunch for extra time on tests. I also need time to respond to emails from students, parents and administrators. We also have department meetings and other meetings within our content areas. I need to make paper copies of handouts and assignments and sometimes there is a line at the copier and sometimes it jams and you have to spend time troubleshooting. If I try to assign everything electronically, my students complain. I also help out junior teachers in my content area. We get pulled in to sub for classes. The principal and instructional coach will ask for data requests that I have to pull together. Grading always takes forever. I have to fill out IEP updates and attend some IEP meetings. I also write college and internship recommendations. Counselors request meetings about certain students. I do all my planning at home because the school day is just packed with stuff.
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Anonymous wrote:Depends - if they have an iep? I’d tell them that most of the services are delivered by the general Ed teacher because inclusion spec Ed teachers are stretched too thin and we spend so much time on paperwork and not with kids. I’d also tell them no matter what they “advocate for” in the iep, it doesn’t actually happen during the school day due to limited resources and time so half the time we just agree to make you go away


We know. Thanks for being a failure in your life's work.


Likewise for being a failure at actual life. (Lack of empathy is the first sign of being a psychopath)



"I decided to use an anonymous forum to taunt distraught parents of special needs kids in a blasé manner about how we fail their children. But you're the psychopath! Poor me!"
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The thread is what we would tell parents if we could. I appreciated that teachers transparency and didn't read it as a taunt. You're clearly dissatisfied with your child's service, but you're lashing out to someone who is telling you there is literally nothing they can do to solve your problem.


I’m the one who posted about spec Ed. Not a taunt just the hard truth. And I’m not a failure at my job, I’m actually a really good spec Ed teacher and I advocate hard for the kids on my caseload. But these are the truths of the conditions in mcps and that’s what the thread asked about. Sometimes I wish parents knew so they didn’t believe the BS . That being said, parents should not be angry at the teachers - it’s the system and lack of appropriate resources


If you really wanted parents to know, why not tell them instead of lying to them to get them to “go away”? I don’t get it. That’s something that is absolutely in your power to do, and doesn’t even take a lot of effort.


And get fired ? Or written up by my boss/ supervisor for telling you that? No way


People outside teaching have no idea what pressures teachers face. No idea at all. I wish it were as simple as the PPs suggest re: just talking to parents.


In that case, let’s at least agree that the public school staff knowingly lying to parents of children with special needs don’t own the moral high ground.

I still don't understand the support in this thread for teachers actively participating in covering-up malfeasance, but I guess some people think that's ok for... reasons.


DCUM asks for the truth from real teachers and just cannot handle it.


I guess that’s it. I expected that they would at least try to act in good faith, and be remorseful when they don’t. Apparently that wasn’t a realistic expectation. As you suggested, it’s a bit shocking.


I’m the OP who shocked everyone with comments about spec Ed. I never said there is lack of good faith or lack of attempt to implement. There is. But at the end of the day, there are many unreasonable requests from parents , advocates and lawyers and they just cannot be provided the way the iep is written. But I can’t say that and there is no way my admin will say it. Some admin will say it depending on the parent but if they have representation (lawyer or advocate) we agree to it all usually. It’s just not worth fighting. But this forum asked what I want you to know. I want you to know that if you have a case manager with 20 kids on a caseload , serving 3 grade levels or more, and large class sizes …. It might not be happening!


Perhaps on a more productive note, what would be the best way for parents to verify whether classroom supports are provided? There are no natural records produced for many of them, and it’s not like you can get that information from the child in a lot of cases.


What you should be doing is advocating for more school staff. Smaller caseloads and smaller classes would benefit all students. Instead MCPS is all about administrative bloat at Central and all those people do is create more paperwork requests that take more time away from students
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Anonymous wrote:Parent here - does your principal/school admin support you in your work or hinder you?


In my case, the principal/school admin hinder my work. They keep creating new rules and procedures and then don’t enforce them. They act like cell phones are not a problem because they don’t want to enforce any rules.
They constantly waste my time with useless meetings when I would much prefer to use that time to improve my teaching.
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Here is something I would tell parents of students with IEP's: If you think your child should have a different service placement (outside the HSM) you should hire an advocate/lawyer.

The gatekeeping involved with the central special ed department is off the charts at this point. They will do everything in their power to work to prevent a kid from being moved to a different program because of staff shortages in those programs. Local special ed teachers are POWERLESS (other than collecting data and working on the IEP) to make this happen. The special ed supervisors will stonewall and throw up obstacle after obstacle. Only when a parent is there being persistent and bringing representation do things really happen.
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Anonymous wrote:Don’t expect much. I literally only get 18 seconds per school day to think and plan for YOUR kid. 0.8 part time teacher = 36 minutes/day planning time with over 100 students


This would be my message, too. We are overwhelmed and we get very little time during the work day to actually get work done. I’m lucky if I get 30 minutes a day to respond to emails, look at data for all 140 students, plan lessons, grade papers, call parents, eat lunch, and go to the bathroom.



I’m not arguing but can you explain what happens to your time? You are supposed to get an hour planning/grading time per day plus a 45 minute lunch. And then some time after school. Are they making you cover other classes during your break? Or attend meetings? This seems like the kind of thing that could be grieved.


HS teacher here - I often work through lunch providing extra help to students who have trouble with my class or kids who are absent for various reasons and miss class. Also, IEP kids often get extended time so they come in at lunch for extra time on tests. I also need time to respond to emails from students, parents and administrators. We also have department meetings and other meetings within our content areas. I need to make paper copies of handouts and assignments and sometimes there is a line at the copier and sometimes it jams and you have to spend time troubleshooting. If I try to assign everything electronically, my students complain. I also help out junior teachers in my content area. We get pulled in to sub for classes. The principal and instructional coach will ask for data requests that I have to pull together. Grading always takes forever. I have to fill out IEP updates and attend some IEP meetings. I also write college and internship recommendations. Counselors request meetings about certain students. I do all my planning at home because the school day is just packed with stuff.


All of this. This is why college professors opt to teach less classes and have TAs or graduate assistants.
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