MCPS teachers - what would you tell parents in your class(es) if you could?

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Anonymous wrote:Depends - if they have an iep? I’d tell them that most of the services are delivered by the general Ed teacher because inclusion spec Ed teachers are stretched too thin and we spend so much time on paperwork and not with kids. I’d also tell them no matter what they “advocate for” in the iep, it doesn’t actually happen during the school day due to limited resources and time so half the time we just agree to make you go away

We know. Thanks for being a failure in your life's work.

NP; When you're considered a failure for not being to clone yourself, you know MCPS parents have high expectations. Keep holding those teachers feet to the physically impossible fire

We are talking about kids with disabilities who have legal rights to an accessible education. Parents aren’t holding teachers to anything unreasonable. There is a legal, moral, and ethical obligation here and if you can’t meet it because of “resources” your beef isn’t with the parents and their expectations aren’t unreasonable. The problem lies elsewhere. Stop taking it out on the kids and their parents.

Parents are asking for more than an accessible education. They're asking for special education in the general education classroom.

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Anonymous wrote:Depends - if they have an iep? I’d tell them that most of the services are delivered by the general Ed teacher because inclusion spec Ed teachers are stretched too thin and we spend so much time on paperwork and not with kids. I’d also tell them no matter what they “advocate for” in the iep, it doesn’t actually happen during the school day due to limited resources and time so half the time we just agree to make you go away

We know. Thanks for being a failure in your life's work.

NP; When you're considered a failure for not being to clone yourself, you know MCPS parents have high expectations. Keep holding those teachers feet to the physically impossible fire

We are talking about kids with disabilities who have legal rights to an accessible education. Parents aren’t holding teachers to anything unreasonable. There is a legal, moral, and ethical obligation here and if you can’t meet it because of “resources” your beef isn’t with the parents and their expectations aren’t unreasonable. The problem lies elsewhere. Stop taking it out on the kids and their parents.

Parents are asking for more than an accessible education. They're asking for special education in the general education classroom.

OK, but that’s what IDEA says students are entitled to.

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Anonymous wrote:Depends - if they have an iep? I’d tell them that most of the services are delivered by the general Ed teacher because inclusion spec Ed teachers are stretched too thin and we spend so much time on paperwork and not with kids. I’d also tell them no matter what they “advocate for” in the iep, it doesn’t actually happen during the school day due to limited resources and time so half the time we just agree to make you go away

We know. Thanks for being a failure in your life's work.

NP; When you're considered a failure for not being to clone yourself, you know MCPS parents have high expectations. Keep holding those teachers feet to the physically impossible fire

We are talking about kids with disabilities who have legal rights to an accessible education. Parents aren’t holding teachers to anything unreasonable. There is a legal, moral, and ethical obligation here and if you can’t meet it because of “resources” your beef isn’t with the parents and their expectations aren’t unreasonable. The problem lies elsewhere. Stop taking it out on the kids and their parents.

Parents are asking for more than an accessible education. They're asking for special education in the general education classroom.

OK, but that’s what IDEA says students are entitled to.

Unfunded entitlements take general funding from everyone else. It sounds like IDEA needs to be updated so that all the obligations are fully covered from the level of government issuing the mandate, and on a regional cost parity basis. With enough implementation experience, now, it also might be modified to reduce the gaming described. If these aren't done, everyone else suffers unjustly.

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Anonymous wrote:Depends - if they have an iep? I’d tell them that most of the services are delivered by the general Ed teacher because inclusion spec Ed teachers are stretched too thin and we spend so much time on paperwork and not with kids. I’d also tell them no matter what they “advocate for” in the iep, it doesn’t actually happen during the school day due to limited resources and time so half the time we just agree to make you go away

We know. Thanks for being a failure in your life's work.

NP; When you're considered a failure for not being to clone yourself, you know MCPS parents have high expectations. Keep holding those teachers feet to the physically impossible fire

We are talking about kids with disabilities who have legal rights to an accessible education. Parents aren’t holding teachers to anything unreasonable. There is a legal, moral, and ethical obligation here and if you can’t meet it because of “resources” your beef isn’t with the parents and their expectations aren’t unreasonable. The problem lies elsewhere. Stop taking it out on the kids and their parents.

Parents are asking for more than an accessible education. They're asking for special education in the general education classroom.

OK, but that’s what IDEA says students are entitled to.

Unfunded entitlements take general funding from everyone else. It sounds like IDEA needs to be updated so that all the obligations are fully covered from the level of government issuing the mandate, and on a regional cost parity basis. With enough implementation experience, now, it also might be modified to reduce the gaming described. If these aren't done, everyone else suffers unjustly.

Please find a private school position so there’s no chance my kids will have you as a teacher.

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Anonymous wrote:Depends - if they have an iep? I’d tell them that most of the services are delivered by the general Ed teacher because inclusion spec Ed teachers are stretched too thin and we spend so much time on paperwork and not with kids. I’d also tell them no matter what they “advocate for” in the iep, it doesn’t actually happen during the school day due to limited resources and time so half the time we just agree to make you go away

We know. Thanks for being a failure in your life's work.

NP; When you're considered a failure for not being to clone yourself, you know MCPS parents have high expectations. Keep holding those teachers feet to the physically impossible fire

We are talking about kids with disabilities who have legal rights to an accessible education. Parents aren’t holding teachers to anything unreasonable. There is a legal, moral, and ethical obligation here and if you can’t meet it because of “resources” your beef isn’t with the parents and their expectations aren’t unreasonable. The problem lies elsewhere. Stop taking it out on the kids and their parents.

Parents are asking for more than an accessible education. They're asking for special education in the general education classroom.

OK, but that’s what IDEA says students are entitled to.

Unfunded entitlements take general funding from everyone else. It sounds like IDEA needs to be updated so that all the obligations are fully covered from the level of government issuing the mandate, and on a regional cost parity basis. With enough implementation experience, now, it also might be modified to reduce the gaming described. If these aren't done, everyone else suffers unjustly.

You propose that federal legislation be passed? In 2023?

LOL

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Anonymous wrote:Depends - if they have an iep? I’d tell them that most of the services are delivered by the general Ed teacher because inclusion spec Ed teachers are stretched too thin and we spend so much time on paperwork and not with kids. I’d also tell them no matter what they “advocate for” in the iep, it doesn’t actually happen during the school day due to limited resources and time so half the time we just agree to make you go away

We know. Thanks for being a failure in your life's work.

NP; When you're considered a failure for not being to clone yourself, you know MCPS parents have high expectations. Keep holding those teachers feet to the physically impossible fire

We are talking about kids with disabilities who have legal rights to an accessible education. Parents aren’t holding teachers to anything unreasonable. There is a legal, moral, and ethical obligation here and if you can’t meet it because of “resources” your beef isn’t with the parents and their expectations aren’t unreasonable. The problem lies elsewhere. Stop taking it out on the kids and their parents.

Parents are asking for more than an accessible education. They're asking for special education in the general education classroom.

OK, but that’s what IDEA says students are entitled to.

Unfunded entitlements take general funding from everyone else. It sounds like IDEA needs to be updated so that all the obligations are fully covered from the level of government issuing the mandate, and on a regional cost parity basis. With enough implementation experience, now, it also might be modified to reduce the gaming described. If these aren't done, everyone else suffers unjustly.

You propose that federal legislation be passed? In 2023?

LOL

She’s just venting because she doesn’t want to have to teach kids with developmental disabilities but likely doesn’t have unique skills that would get her a position in a decent private school. She’s probably in her 50s or 60s, stuck in a job she hates, surrounded by kids that she hates even more.

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Anonymous wrote:Depends - if they have an iep? I’d tell them that most of the services are delivered by the general Ed teacher because inclusion spec Ed teachers are stretched too thin and we spend so much time on paperwork and not with kids. I’d also tell them no matter what they “advocate for” in the iep, it doesn’t actually happen during the school day due to limited resources and time so half the time we just agree to make you go away

We know. Thanks for being a failure in your life's work.

NP; When you're considered a failure for not being to clone yourself, you know MCPS parents have high expectations. Keep holding those teachers feet to the physically impossible fire

We are talking about kids with disabilities who have legal rights to an accessible education. Parents aren’t holding teachers to anything unreasonable. There is a legal, moral, and ethical obligation here and if you can’t meet it because of “resources” your beef isn’t with the parents and their expectations aren’t unreasonable. The problem lies elsewhere. Stop taking it out on the kids and their parents.

Parents are asking for more than an accessible education. They're asking for special education in the general education classroom.

OK, but that’s what IDEA says students are entitled to.

Unfunded entitlements take general funding from everyone else. It sounds like IDEA needs to be updated so that all the obligations are fully covered from the level of government issuing the mandate, and on a regional cost parity basis. With enough implementation experience, now, it also might be modified to reduce the gaming described. If these aren't done, everyone else suffers unjustly.

You propose that federal legislation be passed? In 2023?

LOL

She’s just venting because she doesn’t want to have to teach kids with developmental disabilities but likely doesn’t have unique skills that would get her a position in a decent private school. She’s probably in her 50s or 60s, stuck in a job she hates, surrounded by kids that she hates even more.

That's funny, because I was a different poster observing the effects of unfunded mandates, and not a teacher.

To the PP, I'm not saying what will happen, but what should (within that microcosm). Expecting the burdens of legislation to be picked up by others, mostly teachers in this case, but also other students due to the knock-on effects of under-resourcing, is magical thinking.

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Anonymous wrote:Depends - if they have an iep? I’d tell them that most of the services are delivered by the general Ed teacher because inclusion spec Ed teachers are stretched too thin and we spend so much time on paperwork and not with kids. I’d also tell them no matter what they “advocate for” in the iep, it doesn’t actually happen during the school day due to limited resources and time so half the time we just agree to make you go away

We know. Thanks for being a failure in your life's work.

NP; When you're considered a failure for not being to clone yourself, you know MCPS parents have high expectations. Keep holding those teachers feet to the physically impossible fire

We are talking about kids with disabilities who have legal rights to an accessible education. Parents aren’t holding teachers to anything unreasonable. There is a legal, moral, and ethical obligation here and if you can’t meet it because of “resources” your beef isn’t with the parents and their expectations aren’t unreasonable. The problem lies elsewhere. Stop taking it out on the kids and their parents.

Parents are asking for more than an accessible education. They're asking for special education in the general education classroom.

OK, but that’s what IDEA says students are entitled to.

Unfunded entitlements take general funding from everyone else. It sounds like IDEA needs to be updated so that all the obligations are fully covered from the level of government issuing the mandate, and on a regional cost parity basis. With enough implementation experience, now, it also might be modified to reduce the gaming described. If these aren't done, everyone else suffers unjustly.

You propose that federal legislation be passed? In 2023?

LOL

She’s just venting because she doesn’t want to have to teach kids with developmental disabilities but likely doesn’t have unique skills that would get her a position in a decent private school. She’s probably in her 50s or 60s, stuck in a job she hates, surrounded by kids that she hates even more.

That's funny, because I was a different poster observing the effects of unfunded mandates, and not a teacher.

To the PP, I'm not saying what will happen, but what should (within that microcosm). Expecting the burdens of legislation to be picked up by others, mostly teachers in this case, but also other students due to the knock-on effects of under-resourcing, is magical thinking.

It’s telling that you’re focused on the teachers and students without disabilities, rather than the students with special needs who aren’t getting the services and supports they’re entitled to.

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Anonymous wrote:Depends - if they have an iep? I’d tell them that most of the services are delivered by the general Ed teacher because inclusion spec Ed teachers are stretched too thin and we spend so much time on paperwork and not with kids. I’d also tell them no matter what they “advocate for” in the iep, it doesn’t actually happen during the school day due to limited resources and time so half the time we just agree to make you go away

We know. Thanks for being a failure in your life's work.

NP; When you're considered a failure for not being to clone yourself, you know MCPS parents have high expectations. Keep holding those teachers feet to the physically impossible fire

We are talking about kids with disabilities who have legal rights to an accessible education. Parents aren’t holding teachers to anything unreasonable. There is a legal, moral, and ethical obligation here and if you can’t meet it because of “resources” your beef isn’t with the parents and their expectations aren’t unreasonable. The problem lies elsewhere. Stop taking it out on the kids and their parents.

Parents are asking for more than an accessible education. They're asking for special education in the general education classroom.

OK, but that’s what IDEA says students are entitled to.

Unfunded entitlements take general funding from everyone else. It sounds like IDEA needs to be updated so that all the obligations are fully covered from the level of government issuing the mandate, and on a regional cost parity basis. With enough implementation experience, now, it also might be modified to reduce the gaming described. If these aren't done, everyone else suffers unjustly.

You propose that federal legislation be passed? In 2023?

LOL

She’s just venting because she doesn’t want to have to teach kids with developmental disabilities but likely doesn’t have unique skills that would get her a position in a decent private school. She’s probably in her 50s or 60s, stuck in a job she hates, surrounded by kids that she hates even more.

That's funny, because I was a different poster observing the effects of unfunded mandates, and not a teacher.

To the PP, I'm not saying what will happen, but what should (within that microcosm). Expecting the burdens of legislation to be picked up by others, mostly teachers in this case, but also other students due to the knock-on effects of under-resourcing, is magical thinking.

It’s telling that you’re focused on the teachers and students without disabilities, rather than the students with special needs who aren’t getting the services and supports they’re entitled to.

Students with disabilities suffer the same lack of resources and resources meant for them allocated to the squeaky-ist wheel

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Anonymous wrote:Depends - if they have an iep? I’d tell them that most of the services are delivered by the general Ed teacher because inclusion spec Ed teachers are stretched too thin and we spend so much time on paperwork and not with kids. I’d also tell them no matter what they “advocate for” in the iep, it doesn’t actually happen during the school day due to limited resources and time so half the time we just agree to make you go away

We know. Thanks for being a failure in your life's work.

NP; When you're considered a failure for not being to clone yourself, you know MCPS parents have high expectations. Keep holding those teachers feet to the physically impossible fire

We are talking about kids with disabilities who have legal rights to an accessible education. Parents aren’t holding teachers to anything unreasonable. There is a legal, moral, and ethical obligation here and if you can’t meet it because of “resources” your beef isn’t with the parents and their expectations aren’t unreasonable. The problem lies elsewhere. Stop taking it out on the kids and their parents.

Parents are asking for more than an accessible education. They're asking for special education in the general education classroom.

OK, but that’s what IDEA says students are entitled to.

Unfunded entitlements take general funding from everyone else. It sounds like IDEA needs to be updated so that all the obligations are fully covered from the level of government issuing the mandate, and on a regional cost parity basis. With enough implementation experience, now, it also might be modified to reduce the gaming described. If these aren't done, everyone else suffers unjustly.

Please find a private school position so there’s no chance my kids will have you as a teacher.

DP: I'm just not sure what you expect the current teachers to do in this situation

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Anonymous wrote:Depends - if they have an iep? I’d tell them that most of the services are delivered by the general Ed teacher because inclusion spec Ed teachers are stretched too thin and we spend so much time on paperwork and not with kids. I’d also tell them no matter what they “advocate for” in the iep, it doesn’t actually happen during the school day due to limited resources and time so half the time we just agree to make you go away

We know. Thanks for being a failure in your life's work.

NP; When you're considered a failure for not being to clone yourself, you know MCPS parents have high expectations. Keep holding those teachers feet to the physically impossible fire

We are talking about kids with disabilities who have legal rights to an accessible education. Parents aren’t holding teachers to anything unreasonable. There is a legal, moral, and ethical obligation here and if you can’t meet it because of “resources” your beef isn’t with the parents and their expectations aren’t unreasonable. The problem lies elsewhere. Stop taking it out on the kids and their parents.

Parents are asking for more than an accessible education. They're asking for special education in the general education classroom.

OK, but that’s what IDEA says students are entitled to.

Unfunded entitlements take general funding from everyone else. It sounds like IDEA needs to be updated so that all the obligations are fully covered from the level of government issuing the mandate, and on a regional cost parity basis. With enough implementation experience, now, it also might be modified to reduce the gaming described. If these aren't done, everyone else suffers unjustly.

Please find a private school position so there’s no chance my kids will have you as a teacher.

DP: I'm just not sure what you expect the current teachers to do in this situation

Simple: Be honest to parents about what they can and cannot provide in the classroom so that parents can either advocate for additional resources from central or seek more restrictive placements. While (at least before reading this thread) I would expect it rare, it would also provide protections against teachers unreasonably withholding supports in general education classrooms.

Instead, many of the posts earlier in this thread were attempting to justify teachers lying to parents of students with special needs, agreeing to things in IEPs that they knew they wouldn’t do.

Things aren't going to get better as long as teachers continue to help MCPS cover up the problems.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Depends - if they have an iep? I’d tell them that most of the services are delivered by the general Ed teacher because inclusion spec Ed teachers are stretched too thin and we spend so much time on paperwork and not with kids. I’d also tell them no matter what they “advocate for” in the iep, it doesn’t actually happen during the school day due to limited resources and time so half the time we just agree to make you go away

We know. Thanks for being a failure in your life's work.

NP; When you're considered a failure for not being to clone yourself, you know MCPS parents have high expectations. Keep holding those teachers feet to the physically impossible fire

We are talking about kids with disabilities who have legal rights to an accessible education. Parents aren’t holding teachers to anything unreasonable. There is a legal, moral, and ethical obligation here and if you can’t meet it because of “resources” your beef isn’t with the parents and their expectations aren’t unreasonable. The problem lies elsewhere. Stop taking it out on the kids and their parents.

Parents are asking for more than an accessible education. They're asking for special education in the general education classroom.

OK, but that’s what IDEA says students are entitled to.

Unfunded entitlements take general funding from everyone else. It sounds like IDEA needs to be updated so that all the obligations are fully covered from the level of government issuing the mandate, and on a regional cost parity basis. With enough implementation experience, now, it also might be modified to reduce the gaming described. If these aren't done, everyone else suffers unjustly.

Please find a private school position so there’s no chance my kids will have you as a teacher.

DP: I'm just not sure what you expect the current teachers to do in this situation

Simple: Be honest to parents about what they can and cannot provide in the classroom so that parents can either advocate for additional resources from central or seek more restrictive placements. While (at least before reading this thread) I would expect it rare, it would also provide protections against teachers unreasonably withholding supports in general education classrooms.

Instead, many of the posts earlier in this thread were attempting to justify teachers lying to parents of students with special needs, agreeing to things in IEPs that they knew they wouldn’t do.

Things aren't going to get better as long as teachers continue to help MCPS cover up the problems.

I do feel like a good amount of teachers here have explained why it's not that simple, but I'll do it once more.
If I'm honest with a family that we can only service to a certain level, parents don't accept that answer which leads to more meetings. Let's say each of those meetings takes one hour and requires one hour of prep/data collection. Each meeting will end with us all in the same place, not being able to provide services, all with your sped teachers not actually doing their job bc they're just meeting with people and being honest.

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Anonymous wrote:Depends - if they have an iep? I’d tell them that most of the services are delivered by the general Ed teacher because inclusion spec Ed teachers are stretched too thin and we spend so much time on paperwork and not with kids. I’d also tell them no matter what they “advocate for” in the iep, it doesn’t actually happen during the school day due to limited resources and time so half the time we just agree to make you go away

We know. Thanks for being a failure in your life's work.

NP; When you're considered a failure for not being to clone yourself, you know MCPS parents have high expectations. Keep holding those teachers feet to the physically impossible fire

We are talking about kids with disabilities who have legal rights to an accessible education. Parents aren’t holding teachers to anything unreasonable. There is a legal, moral, and ethical obligation here and if you can’t meet it because of “resources” your beef isn’t with the parents and their expectations aren’t unreasonable. The problem lies elsewhere. Stop taking it out on the kids and their parents.

Parents are asking for more than an accessible education. They're asking for special education in the general education classroom.

OK, but that’s what IDEA says students are entitled to.

Unfunded entitlements take general funding from everyone else. It sounds like IDEA needs to be updated so that all the obligations are fully covered from the level of government issuing the mandate, and on a regional cost parity basis. With enough implementation experience, now, it also might be modified to reduce the gaming described. If these aren't done, everyone else suffers unjustly.

Please find a private school position so there’s no chance my kids will have you as a teacher.

DP: I'm just not sure what you expect the current teachers to do in this situation

Simple: Be honest to parents about what they can and cannot provide in the classroom so that parents can either advocate for additional resources from central or seek more restrictive placements. While (at least before reading this thread) I would expect it rare, it would also provide protections against teachers unreasonably withholding supports in general education classrooms.

Instead, many of the posts earlier in this thread were attempting to justify teachers lying to parents of students with special needs, agreeing to things in IEPs that they knew they wouldn’t do.

Things aren't going to get better as long as teachers continue to help MCPS cover up the problems.

I do feel like a good amount of teachers here have explained why it's not that simple, but I'll do it once more.
If I'm honest with a family that we can only service to a certain level, parents don't accept that answer which leads to more meetings. Let's say each of those meetings takes one hour and requires one hour of prep/data collection. Each meeting will end with us all in the same place, not being able to provide services, all with your sped teachers not actually doing their job bc they're just meeting with people and being honest.

A different poster here adding:
I posted above about being honest during meetings. It led to me being threatened if I didn’t perform miracles anyway. So I quit.

You can’t take blood from stone. Teachers can only do so much, and they are operating in a system that expects far more than the remaining teachers are able to accomplish. You can get mad about that all you want, but that’ll just lead to more quitting. Everything is broken.

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Anonymous wrote:Depends - if they have an iep? I’d tell them that most of the services are delivered by the general Ed teacher because inclusion spec Ed teachers are stretched too thin and we spend so much time on paperwork and not with kids. I’d also tell them no matter what they “advocate for” in the iep, it doesn’t actually happen during the school day due to limited resources and time so half the time we just agree to make you go away

We know. Thanks for being a failure in your life's work.

NP; When you're considered a failure for not being to clone yourself, you know MCPS parents have high expectations. Keep holding those teachers feet to the physically impossible fire

We are talking about kids with disabilities who have legal rights to an accessible education. Parents aren’t holding teachers to anything unreasonable. There is a legal, moral, and ethical obligation here and if you can’t meet it because of “resources” your beef isn’t with the parents and their expectations aren’t unreasonable. The problem lies elsewhere. Stop taking it out on the kids and their parents.

Parents are asking for more than an accessible education. They're asking for special education in the general education classroom.

OK, but that’s what IDEA says students are entitled to.

Unfunded entitlements take general funding from everyone else. It sounds like IDEA needs to be updated so that all the obligations are fully covered from the level of government issuing the mandate, and on a regional cost parity basis. With enough implementation experience, now, it also might be modified to reduce the gaming described. If these aren't done, everyone else suffers unjustly.

Please find a private school position so there’s no chance my kids will have you as a teacher.

DP: I'm just not sure what you expect the current teachers to do in this situation

Simple: Be honest to parents about what they can and cannot provide in the classroom so that parents can either advocate for additional resources from central or seek more restrictive placements. While (at least before reading this thread) I would expect it rare, it would also provide protections against teachers unreasonably withholding supports in general education classrooms.

Instead, many of the posts earlier in this thread were attempting to justify teachers lying to parents of students with special needs, agreeing to things in IEPs that they knew they wouldn’t do.

Things aren't going to get better as long as teachers continue to help MCPS cover up the problems.

I do feel like a good amount of teachers here have explained why it's not that simple, but I'll do it once more.
If I'm honest with a family that we can only service to a certain level, parents don't accept that answer which leads to more meetings. Let's say each of those meetings takes one hour and requires one hour of prep/data collection. Each meeting will end with us all in the same place, not being able to provide services, all with your sped teachers not actually doing their job bc they're just meeting with people and being honest.

Well, admittedly part of the problem is that parents can’t actually win against the school district. There needs to be a plausible way for parents to prevail in due process hearings. In Maryland, it's stacked against parents and students.

Still, you can't even begin to exercise the legal appeals process if teachers lie when developing the IEPs.

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Anonymous wrote:Depends - if they have an iep? I’d tell them that most of the services are delivered by the general Ed teacher because inclusion spec Ed teachers are stretched too thin and we spend so much time on paperwork and not with kids. I’d also tell them no matter what they “advocate for” in the iep, it doesn’t actually happen during the school day due to limited resources and time so half the time we just agree to make you go away

We know. Thanks for being a failure in your life's work.

NP; When you're considered a failure for not being to clone yourself, you know MCPS parents have high expectations. Keep holding those teachers feet to the physically impossible fire

We are talking about kids with disabilities who have legal rights to an accessible education. Parents aren’t holding teachers to anything unreasonable. There is a legal, moral, and ethical obligation here and if you can’t meet it because of “resources” your beef isn’t with the parents and their expectations aren’t unreasonable. The problem lies elsewhere. Stop taking it out on the kids and their parents.

Parents are asking for more than an accessible education. They're asking for special education in the general education classroom.

OK, but that’s what IDEA says students are entitled to.

Unfunded entitlements take general funding from everyone else. It sounds like IDEA needs to be updated so that all the obligations are fully covered from the level of government issuing the mandate, and on a regional cost parity basis. With enough implementation experience, now, it also might be modified to reduce the gaming described. If these aren't done, everyone else suffers unjustly.

Please find a private school position so there’s no chance my kids will have you as a teacher.

DP: I'm just not sure what you expect the current teachers to do in this situation

Simple: Be honest to parents about what they can and cannot provide in the classroom so that parents can either advocate for additional resources from central or seek more restrictive placements. While (at least before reading this thread) I would expect it rare, it would also provide protections against teachers unreasonably withholding supports in general education classrooms.

Instead, many of the posts earlier in this thread were attempting to justify teachers lying to parents of students with special needs, agreeing to things in IEPs that they knew they wouldn’t do.

Things aren't going to get better as long as teachers continue to help MCPS cover up the problems.

I do feel like a good amount of teachers here have explained why it's not that simple, but I'll do it once more.
If I'm honest with a family that we can only service to a certain level, parents don't accept that answer which leads to more meetings. Let's say each of those meetings takes one hour and requires one hour of prep/data collection. Each meeting will end with us all in the same place, not being able to provide services, all with your sped teachers not actually doing their job bc they're just meeting with people and being honest.

A different poster here adding:
I posted above about being honest during meetings. It led to me being threatened if I didn’t perform miracles anyway. So I quit.

You can’t take blood from stone. Teachers can only do so much, and they are operating in a system that expects far more than the remaining teachers are able to accomplish. You can get mad about that all you want, but that’ll just lead to more quitting. Everything is broken.

Honestly, it’s hard for me to imagine a situation where the parents would blame the teacher like that. Had they given up on getting the school to provide a paraeducator in the classroom? The district hides a lot of information about how paraeducators are resourced from parents.