Does FCPS teach any grammar

[Anonymous]

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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Grammar like math are being short changed in FCPS. Why? Because they differentiate students and FCPS does not want that. They want equitable outcomes. In grammar and math some kids have an inherent advantage such as English being the native language or in math having more exposure outside of what FCPS offers. So it is much harder to have equitable outcomes in these two areas.

LOL. What school is your kid attending? Because equity has zero to do with this.

I think the grammar sucks across the board and grades in FCPS. Ditto the writing curriculum. But kids were "differentiated" in math and "language arts" all the time in our pyramid. And still are in HS. And, where I thought more was needed, I actually parented and provided that to my kid. This is a PUBLIC school system, not an individual development plan. You want more than what's mandated ? Then provide it.

But don't resort to the lame "equity is killing education" BS. I know y'all have that on the GOP Bingo Card lately. But it's tiresome. And stupid. And you look lazy but pulling it out and by, implicitly, acknowledging you do little on your end to help your kid succeed.

Your right grammar sucks across the board, and so does reading and math. FCPS test scores prove it. This is about FCPS not having standards, not teaching to those standards and providing a disciplined environment to allow every FCPS student to the best of their ability.

It is about way too much money being spent on inept middle management staff, the fad of he day program for math and English, and a failure to provide boots on the ground in the classroom to maintain order and discipline. FCPS has more resources than some small countries, they squander and waste what they have and as a result FCPS students do not read at grade level, do math at grade level or have the grammatical skills they need to succeed in life.

So not asking for more than mandated just asking to meet the standard, which FCPS and most public schools in America are simply not doing.

Way too much hyperbole in your post to take it seriously.

[Anonymous]

Reading the various posts here, it does rather seem that different teachers and different schools are handling grammar instruction quite differently. Some apparently are doing ok with grammar, but others apparently are not. Perhaps FCPS is just too large with too many layers of management to have much consistency across such a large county ?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Reading the various posts here, it does rather seem that different teachers and different schools are handling grammar instruction quite differently. Some apparently are doing ok with grammar, but others apparently are not. Perhaps FCPS is just too large with too many layers of management to have much consistency across such a large county ?

Teachers have a lot of autonomy. We have standards to follow and 90% of the teachers do, but principles (or APs) observe teachers anywhere from 0 to 4 times a year. There are a lot of lessons that teachers could be skipping, or just covering at a very high level.

-ES Teacher with FCPS for 25 years

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Reading the various posts here, it does rather seem that different teachers and different schools are handling grammar instruction quite differently. Some apparently are doing ok with grammar, but others apparently are not. Perhaps FCPS is just too large with too many layers of management to have much consistency across such a large county ?

US schools have never been about consistency. Efforts to standardize have always been resisted by the population.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Reading the various posts here, it does rather seem that different teachers and different schools are handling grammar instruction quite differently. Some apparently are doing ok with grammar, but others apparently are not. Perhaps FCPS is just too large with too many layers of management to have much consistency across such a large county ?

I would say about 70% of teachers have lowered standards since 2010.

[Anonymous]

I've been curious how well students today would do with the SAT from the 1980's. One of the reason these tests don't mean much anymore is that they've also gotten much easier.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Reading the various posts here, it does rather seem that different teachers and different schools are handling grammar instruction quite differently. Some apparently are doing ok with grammar, but others apparently are not. Perhaps FCPS is just too large with too many layers of management to have much consistency across such a large county ?

I would say about 70% of teachers have lowered standards since 2010.

I’d love to know where some of you come up with your “statistics”.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I've been curious how well students today would do with the SAT from the 1980's. One of the reason these tests don't mean much anymore is that they've also gotten much easier.

That's not accurate.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Grammar like math are being short changed in FCPS. Why? Because they differentiate students and FCPS does not want that. They want equitable outcomes. In grammar and math some kids have an inherent advantage such as English being the native language or in math having more exposure outside of what FCPS offers. So it is much harder to have equitable outcomes in these two areas.

LOL. What school is your kid attending? Because equity has zero to do with this.

I think the grammar sucks across the board and grades in FCPS. Ditto the writing curriculum. But kids were "differentiated" in math and "language arts" all the time in our pyramid. And still are in HS. And, where I thought more was needed, I actually parented and provided that to my kid. This is a PUBLIC school system, not an individual development plan. You want more than what's mandated ? Then provide it.

But don't resort to the lame "equity is killing education" BS. I know y'all have that on the GOP Bingo Card lately. But it's tiresome. And stupid. And you look lazy but pulling it out and by, implicitly, acknowledging you do little on your end to help your kid succeed.

Your right grammar sucks across the board, and so does reading and math. FCPS test scores prove it. This is about FCPS not having standards, not teaching to those standards and providing a disciplined environment to allow every FCPS student to the best of their ability.

It is about way too much money being spent on inept middle management staff, the fad of he day program for math and English, and a failure to provide boots on the ground in the classroom to maintain order and discipline. FCPS has more resources than some small countries, they squander and waste what they have and as a result FCPS students do not read at grade level, do math at grade level or have the grammatical skills they need to succeed in life.

So not asking for more than mandated just asking to meet the standard, which FCPS and most public schools in America are simply not doing.

Way too much hyperbole in your post to take it seriously.

And the fact that a diatribe on grammar starts with "Your" instead of "You're."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I've been curious how well students today would do with the SAT from the 1980's. One of the reason these tests don't mean much anymore is that they've also gotten much easier.

That's not accurate.

DP. Yes, it is. Every time they redo the SATs, they're easier.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Grammar like math are being short changed in FCPS. Why? Because they differentiate students and FCPS does not want that. They want equitable outcomes. In grammar and math some kids have an inherent advantage such as English being the native language or in math having more exposure outside of what FCPS offers. So it is much harder to have equitable outcomes in these two areas.

LOL. What school is your kid attending? Because equity has zero to do with this.

I think the grammar sucks across the board and grades in FCPS. Ditto the writing curriculum. But kids were "differentiated" in math and "language arts" all the time in our pyramid. And still are in HS. And, where I thought more was needed, I actually parented and provided that to my kid. This is a PUBLIC school system, not an individual development plan. You want more than what's mandated ? Then provide it.

But don't resort to the lame "equity is killing education" BS. I know y'all have that on the GOP Bingo Card lately. But it's tiresome. And stupid. And you look lazy but pulling it out and by, implicitly, acknowledging you do little on your end to help your kid succeed.

Your right grammar sucks across the board, and so does reading and math. FCPS test scores prove it. This is about FCPS not having standards, not teaching to those standards and providing a disciplined environment to allow every FCPS student to the best of their ability.

It is about way too much money being spent on inept middle management staff, the fad of he day program for math and English, and a failure to provide boots on the ground in the classroom to maintain order and discipline. FCPS has more resources than some small countries, they squander and waste what they have and as a result FCPS students do not read at grade level, do math at grade level or have the grammatical skills they need to succeed in life.

So not asking for more than mandated just asking to meet the standard, which FCPS and most public schools in America are simply not doing.

Way too much hyperbole in your post to take it seriously.

Really what hyperbole do you mean? "FCPS has more resources than some small countries" the 2024 FCPS budget is $3.5 billion dollars. A list of countries with smaller budgets from - https://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/stats/Economy/Budget/Revenues include; Greenland, Rwanda, Fiji, Tonga and dozens of others.

Certainly hope you not going to argue about dropping test scores. Many, posts and posters including education professionals on this site that support that FCPS does not choose the best educational tools.

So not sure what your definition of hyperbole is, sometimes the troop hurts.

[Anonymous]

should be the truth hurts.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I've been curious how well students today would do with the SAT from the 1980's. One of the reason these tests don't mean much anymore is that they've also gotten much easier.

That's not accurate.

DP. Yes, it is. Every time they redo the SATs, they're easier.

On what basis do you make that claim? I know a lot of people say it, but it's fairly complicated to determine the difficulty of items.
We would expect scores to drift up with familiarity with the test and with the plethora of test studying materials (as well as with increase of accommodations like untimed tests)--see the Flynn effect for IQ testing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Grammar like math are being short changed in FCPS. Why? Because they differentiate students and FCPS does not want that. They want equitable outcomes. In grammar and math some kids have an inherent advantage such as English being the native language or in math having more exposure outside of what FCPS offers. So it is much harder to have equitable outcomes in these two areas.

LOL. What school is your kid attending? Because equity has zero to do with this.

I think the grammar sucks across the board and grades in FCPS. Ditto the writing curriculum. But kids were "differentiated" in math and "language arts" all the time in our pyramid. And still are in HS. And, where I thought more was needed, I actually parented and provided that to my kid. This is a PUBLIC school system, not an individual development plan. You want more than what's mandated ? Then provide it.

But don't resort to the lame "equity is killing education" BS. I know y'all have that on the GOP Bingo Card lately. But it's tiresome. And stupid. And you look lazy but pulling it out and by, implicitly, acknowledging you do little on your end to help your kid succeed.

Your right grammar sucks across the board, and so does reading and math. FCPS test scores prove it. This is about FCPS not having standards, not teaching to those standards and providing a disciplined environment to allow every FCPS student to the best of their ability.

It is about way too much money being spent on inept middle management staff, the fad of he day program for math and English, and a failure to provide boots on the ground in the classroom to maintain order and discipline. FCPS has more resources than some small countries, they squander and waste what they have and as a result FCPS students do not read at grade level, do math at grade level or have the grammatical skills they need to succeed in life.

So not asking for more than mandated just asking to meet the standard, which FCPS and most public schools in America are simply not doing.

Way too much hyperbole in your post to take it seriously.

FCPS scores are above state and national standards and are above grade level.