Does FCPS teach any grammar

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Anonymous wrote:I've been curious how well students today would do with the SAT from the 1980's. One of the reason these tests don't mean much anymore is that they've also gotten much easier.

That's not accurate.

"Beginning with the test administered in April 1995, the SAT score scale was recentered to return the average math and verbal scores close to 500. Although only 25 students had received perfect scores of 1600 in all of 1994, 137 students taking the April test scored 1600...the number of pupils who scored above 600 on the verbal portion of the test had fallen from a peak of 112,530 in 1972 to 73,080 in 1993, a 36% backslide, despite the fact that the total number of test-takers had risen by over 500,000."
Nowadays, thousands of students get a perfect score each year and over 1.2 million students get a score below 600

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I've been curious how well students today would do with the SAT from the 1980's. One of the reason these tests don't mean much anymore is that they've also gotten much easier.

That's not accurate.

"Beginning with the test administered in April 1995, the SAT score scale was recentered to return the average math and verbal scores close to 500. Although only 25 students had received perfect scores of 1600 in all of 1994, 137 students taking the April test scored 1600...the number of pupils who scored above 600 on the verbal portion of the test had fallen from a peak of 112,530 in 1972 to 73,080 in 1993, a 36% backslide, despite the fact that the total number of test-takers had risen by over 500,000."
Nowadays, thousands of students get a perfect score each year and over 1.2 million students get a score below 600

No evidence here that the test has steadily gotten much easier--it does show that the ceiling of the 1995 test was likely lower than the 1994 immediately after the re-centering. Nothing else is evidence that supports anything about the difficulty of the test and/or changes in it over time.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I've been curious how well students today would do with the SAT from the 1980's. One of the reason these tests don't mean much anymore is that they've also gotten much easier.

That's not accurate.

"Beginning with the test administered in April 1995, the SAT score scale was recentered to return the average math and verbal scores close to 500. Although only 25 students had received perfect scores of 1600 in all of 1994, 137 students taking the April test scored 1600...the number of pupils who scored above 600 on the verbal portion of the test had fallen from a peak of 112,530 in 1972 to 73,080 in 1993, a 36% backslide, despite the fact that the total number of test-takers had risen by over 500,000."
Nowadays, thousands of students get a perfect score each year and over 1.2 million students get a score below 600

No evidence here that the test has steadily gotten much easier--it does show that the ceiling of the 1995 test was likely lower than the 1994 immediately after the re-centering. Nothing else is evidence that supports anything about the difficulty of the test and/or changes in it over time.

And how more students take it now, probably including those who wouldn’t have taken it before due to low grades (but will now apply to college because we push students there instead of vocational programs).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I've been curious how well students today would do with the SAT from the 1980's. One of the reason these tests don't mean much anymore is that they've also gotten much easier.

That's not accurate.

"Beginning with the test administered in April 1995, the SAT score scale was recentered to return the average math and verbal scores close to 500. Although only 25 students had received perfect scores of 1600 in all of 1994, 137 students taking the April test scored 1600...the number of pupils who scored above 600 on the verbal portion of the test had fallen from a peak of 112,530 in 1972 to 73,080 in 1993, a 36% backslide, despite the fact that the total number of test-takers had risen by over 500,000."
Nowadays, thousands of students get a perfect score each year and over 1.2 million students get a score below 600

No evidence here that the test has steadily gotten much easier--it does show that the ceiling of the 1995 test was likely lower than the 1994 immediately after the re-centering. Nothing else is evidence that supports anything about the difficulty of the test and/or changes in it over time.

And how more students take it now, probably including those who wouldn’t have taken it before due to low grades (but will now apply to college because we push students there instead of vocational programs).

True.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I've been curious how well students today would do with the SAT from the 1980's. One of the reason these tests don't mean much anymore is that they've also gotten much easier.

That's not accurate.

"Beginning with the test administered in April 1995, the SAT score scale was recentered to return the average math and verbal scores close to 500. Although only 25 students had received perfect scores of 1600 in all of 1994, 137 students taking the April test scored 1600...the number of pupils who scored above 600 on the verbal portion of the test had fallen from a peak of 112,530 in 1972 to 73,080 in 1993, a 36% backslide, despite the fact that the total number of test-takers had risen by over 500,000."
Nowadays, thousands of students get a perfect score each year and over 1.2 million students get a score below 600

What about before 1995?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Grammar like math are being short changed in FCPS. Why? Because they differentiate students and FCPS does not want that. They want equitable outcomes. In grammar and math some kids have an inherent advantage such as English being the native language or in math having more exposure outside of what FCPS offers. So it is much harder to have equitable outcomes in these two areas.

LOL. What school is your kid attending? Because equity has zero to do with this.

I think the grammar sucks across the board and grades in FCPS. Ditto the writing curriculum. But kids were "differentiated" in math and "language arts" all the time in our pyramid. And still are in HS. And, where I thought more was needed, I actually parented and provided that to my kid. This is a PUBLIC school system, not an individual development plan. You want more than what's mandated ? Then provide it.

But don't resort to the lame "equity is killing education" BS. I know y'all have that on the GOP Bingo Card lately. But it's tiresome. And stupid. And you look lazy but pulling it out and by, implicitly, acknowledging you do little on your end to help your kid succeed.

Your right grammar sucks across the board, and so does reading and math. FCPS test scores prove it. This is about FCPS not having standards, not teaching to those standards and providing a disciplined environment to allow every FCPS student to the best of their ability.

It is about way too much money being spent on inept middle management staff, the fad of he day program for math and English, and a failure to provide boots on the ground in the classroom to maintain order and discipline. FCPS has more resources than some small countries, they squander and waste what they have and as a result FCPS students do not read at grade level, do math at grade level or have the grammatical skills they need to succeed in life.

So not asking for more than mandated just asking to meet the standard, which FCPS and most public schools in America are simply not doing.

should be: “You’re”, not “Your”
FCPS doesn’t teach contractions.

LOL, but it does, in 2nd grade.

Contractions were not taught at our elementary school. Mentioned, yes, but not taught. No homework came home. The only way my DC learned a tad of contractions was through Lexia.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Grammar like math are being short changed in FCPS. Why? Because they differentiate students and FCPS does not want that. They want equitable outcomes. In grammar and math some kids have an inherent advantage such as English being the native language or in math having more exposure outside of what FCPS offers. So it is much harder to have equitable outcomes in these two areas.

LOL. What school is your kid attending? Because equity has zero to do with this.

I think the grammar sucks across the board and grades in FCPS. Ditto the writing curriculum. But kids were "differentiated" in math and "language arts" all the time in our pyramid. And still are in HS. And, where I thought more was needed, I actually parented and provided that to my kid. This is a PUBLIC school system, not an individual development plan. You want more than what's mandated ? Then provide it.

But don't resort to the lame "equity is killing education" BS. I know y'all have that on the GOP Bingo Card lately. But it's tiresome. And stupid. And you look lazy but pulling it out and by, implicitly, acknowledging you do little on your end to help your kid succeed.

Your right grammar sucks across the board, and so does reading and math. FCPS test scores prove it. This is about FCPS not having standards, not teaching to those standards and providing a disciplined environment to allow every FCPS student to the best of their ability.

It is about way too much money being spent on inept middle management staff, the fad of he day program for math and English, and a failure to provide boots on the ground in the classroom to maintain order and discipline. FCPS has more resources than some small countries, they squander and waste what they have and as a result FCPS students do not read at grade level, do math at grade level or have the grammatical skills they need to succeed in life.

So not asking for more than mandated just asking to meet the standard, which FCPS and most public schools in America are simply not doing.

should be: “You’re”, not “Your”
FCPS doesn’t teach contractions.

LOL, but it does, in 2nd grade.

Contractions were not taught at our elementary school. Mentioned, yes, but not taught. No homework came home. The only way my DC learned a tad of contractions was through Lexia.

You do realize that a ton of things are taught and completed with in school work that doesn't ever come home, right? How do you know they weren't taught? It's a fairly sizeable part of the curriculum.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Grammar like math are being short changed in FCPS. Why? Because they differentiate students and FCPS does not want that. They want equitable outcomes. In grammar and math some kids have an inherent advantage such as English being the native language or in math having more exposure outside of what FCPS offers. So it is much harder to have equitable outcomes in these two areas.

LOL. What school is your kid attending? Because equity has zero to do with this.

I think the grammar sucks across the board and grades in FCPS. Ditto the writing curriculum. But kids were "differentiated" in math and "language arts" all the time in our pyramid. And still are in HS. And, where I thought more was needed, I actually parented and provided that to my kid. This is a PUBLIC school system, not an individual development plan. You want more than what's mandated ? Then provide it.

But don't resort to the lame "equity is killing education" BS. I know y'all have that on the GOP Bingo Card lately. But it's tiresome. And stupid. And you look lazy but pulling it out and by, implicitly, acknowledging you do little on your end to help your kid succeed.

Your right grammar sucks across the board, and so does reading and math. FCPS test scores prove it. This is about FCPS not having standards, not teaching to those standards and providing a disciplined environment to allow every FCPS student to the best of their ability.

It is about way too much money being spent on inept middle management staff, the fad of he day program for math and English, and a failure to provide boots on the ground in the classroom to maintain order and discipline. FCPS has more resources than some small countries, they squander and waste what they have and as a result FCPS students do not read at grade level, do math at grade level or have the grammatical skills they need to succeed in life.

So not asking for more than mandated just asking to meet the standard, which FCPS and most public schools in America are simply not doing.

should be: “You’re”, not “Your”
FCPS doesn’t teach contractions.

LOL, but it does, in 2nd grade.

Contractions were not taught at our elementary school. Mentioned, yes, but not taught. No homework came home. The only way my DC learned a tad of contractions was through Lexia.

You do realize that a ton of things are taught and completed with in school work that doesn't ever come home, right? How do you know they weren't taught? It's a fairly sizeable part of the curriculum.

Part of the problem is that some topics like spelling and grammar are not subsequently reinforced. You can see this in teacher comments, or lack there of, on student papers online and in hard copy.

You also see this often now with schools touting they’ve taught cursive. No. They teach it for maybe a week but that’s it and then they don’t use it for writing assignments for the rest of the year where the real learning take place (eg, through usage and feedback).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Grammar like math are being short changed in FCPS. Why? Because they differentiate students and FCPS does not want that. They want equitable outcomes. In grammar and math some kids have an inherent advantage such as English being the native language or in math having more exposure outside of what FCPS offers. So it is much harder to have equitable outcomes in these two areas.

LOL. What school is your kid attending? Because equity has zero to do with this.

I think the grammar sucks across the board and grades in FCPS. Ditto the writing curriculum. But kids were "differentiated" in math and "language arts" all the time in our pyramid. And still are in HS. And, where I thought more was needed, I actually parented and provided that to my kid. This is a PUBLIC school system, not an individual development plan. You want more than what's mandated ? Then provide it.

But don't resort to the lame "equity is killing education" BS. I know y'all have that on the GOP Bingo Card lately. But it's tiresome. And stupid. And you look lazy but pulling it out and by, implicitly, acknowledging you do little on your end to help your kid succeed.

Your right grammar sucks across the board, and so does reading and math. FCPS test scores prove it. This is about FCPS not having standards, not teaching to those standards and providing a disciplined environment to allow every FCPS student to the best of their ability.

It is about way too much money being spent on inept middle management staff, the fad of he day program for math and English, and a failure to provide boots on the ground in the classroom to maintain order and discipline. FCPS has more resources than some small countries, they squander and waste what they have and as a result FCPS students do not read at grade level, do math at grade level or have the grammatical skills they need to succeed in life.

So not asking for more than mandated just asking to meet the standard, which FCPS and most public schools in America are simply not doing.

should be: “You’re”, not “Your”
FCPS doesn’t teach contractions.

LOL, but it does, in 2nd grade.

Contractions were not taught at our elementary school. Mentioned, yes, but not taught. No homework came home. The only way my DC learned a tad of contractions was through Lexia.

You do realize that a ton of things are taught and completed with in school work that doesn't ever come home, right? How do you know they weren't taught? It's a fairly sizeable part of the curriculum.

Part of the problem is that some topics like spelling and grammar are not subsequently reinforced. You can see this in teacher comments, or lack there of, on student papers online and in hard copy.

You also see this often now with schools touting they’ve taught cursive. No. They teach it for maybe a week but that’s it and then they don’t use it for writing assignments for the rest of the year where the real learning take place (eg, through usage and feedback).

I volunteer in my kid's schools--I see the teachers regularly go over these things in their small group writing conferences with them orally. They ask the students to identify where they make the kinds of mistakes in their writing and talk through what it should be. It seems effective to me.