Are rich & famous people using surrogates…

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Anonymous wrote:How is paid surrogacy any different than buying kidneys or blood?

It isn’t. We don’t allow people to sell organs or engage in prostitution but we allow them to rent out their wombs? It really doesn’t make sense.

+1, I think the main reason surrogacy is viewed more favorably in the US as opposed to other countries is the way the evangelical movement in the US has convo fed Americans that there is nothing more important than procreating. Also explains hypocrisy in the US regarding abortion and IVF.

I mostly agree. I think it's interesting that so many surrogates are evangelical or otherwise highly Christian and religious. People here are talking about exploitation, which is always a possibility, but what I've seen from US surrogates is that they tend to be married, financially stable people who view surrogacy as a higher (religious?) calling. Many of them have a LOT of kids and are not concerned about pregnancy complications; they popped out 5 of their own on the kitchen floor, what could go wrong? They're not doing it for the bucks and they don't feel the least bit exploited. They feel like they're helping God create families. As an atheist, I don't get it, but yeah I feel more favorably towards those women and surrogacy in the US than I do poor women in Indian baby farms doing it so they can put food on the table.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Chrissy Tiegen did it because she was worried she would have another late term loss. Priyanka Chopra did it because she was worried she was too old to carry to term.

Did Chrissy use a surrogate for both the babies she got in the last 6 months?

No, she was always pregnant when her surrogate also got pregnant. That’s what’s so weird and icky about it.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't see a problem with it. Surrogates are paid well for the work and that payment positively impacts her and her family. I was on fertility boards for years - didn't need a surrogate, but followed the stories of many who did and followed stories of surrogate mothers as well. It can be a win/win in a lot of cases. In the cases you're talking about, no one is forced to do the work. (I did see a Mariana Von Zeller doc about forced surrogacy in third world countries, but that's another story.)

DP. I read that they’re only paid around $80k.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't see a problem with it. Surrogates are paid well for the work and that payment positively impacts her and her family. I was on fertility boards for years - didn't need a surrogate, but followed the stories of many who did and followed stories of surrogate mothers as well. It can be a win/win in a lot of cases. In the cases you're talking about, no one is forced to do the work. (I did see a Mariana Von Zeller doc about forced surrogacy in third world countries, but that's another story.)

DP. I read that they’re only paid around $80k.

On DCUM 80k for 10 months of work (assuming some time for recovery after birth) is dirt poor. But honestly that is not a lot of money considering the risk.

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We have gone full Handmaid's Tale and people think it's a choice. Where are all the rich women surrogates? The same liberals who call the GOP force birthers have no problem exploiting poor women so they can have vanity babies. Parenting is not a need, it's a want. If you are infertile or lazy, then adopt or remain childless.

**Chrissy Teigen has 4 nannies so she is doing very little parenting at home.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How is paid surrogacy any different than buying kidneys or blood?

It isn’t. We don’t allow people to sell organs or engage in prostitution but we allow them to rent out their wombs? It really doesn’t make sense.

+1, I think the main reason surrogacy is viewed more favorably in the US as opposed to other countries is the way the evangelical movement in the US has convo fed Americans that there is nothing more important than procreating. Also explains hypocrisy in the US regarding abortion and IVF.

I mostly agree. I think it's interesting that so many surrogates are evangelical or otherwise highly Christian and religious. People here are talking about exploitation, which is always a possibility, but what I've seen from US surrogates is that they tend to be married, financially stable people who view surrogacy as a higher (religious?) calling. Many of them have a LOT of kids and are not concerned about pregnancy complications; they popped out 5 of their own on the kitchen floor, what could go wrong? They're not doing it for the bucks and they don't feel the least bit exploited. They feel like they're helping God create families. As an atheist, I don't get it, but yeah I feel more favorably towards those women and surrogacy in the US than I do poor women in Indian baby farms doing it so they can put food on the table.

That’s true for the 2 women I know who have been surrogates. One was done for a friend (still compensated) and the other through an agency. Both women were SAHM and didn’t need the money, but saw it as a calling from God.

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Anonymous wrote:We have gone full Handmaid's Tale and people think it's a choice. Where are all the rich women surrogates? The same liberals who call the GOP force birthers have no problem exploiting poor women so they can have vanity babies. Parenting is not a need, it's a want. If you are infertile or lazy, then adopt or remain childless.

**Chrissy Teigen has 4 nannies so she is doing very little parenting at home.

Where are all the rich women baristas? Where are all the rich women housekeepers? Where are all the rich women nurses? Where are all the rich women waiters? Where are all the rich women garage mechanics? Where are all the rich women gardeners? WOW, I didn't realize how much of the American workforce is exploited, on the basis that not very many rich people do those jobs? All the liberals with their vanity lattes have no problem exploiting poor women!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:We have gone full Handmaid's Tale and people think it's a choice. Where are all the rich women surrogates? The same liberals who call the GOP force birthers have no problem exploiting poor women so they can have vanity babies. Parenting is not a need, it's a want. If you are infertile or lazy, then adopt or remain childless.

**Chrissy Teigen has 4 nannies so she is doing very little parenting at home.

Where are all the rich women baristas? Where are all the rich women housekeepers? Where are all the rich women nurses? Where are all the rich women waiters? Where are all the rich women garage mechanics? Where are all the rich women gardeners? WOW, I didn't realize how much of the American workforce is exploited, on the basis that not very many rich people do those jobs? All the liberals with their vanity lattes have no problem exploiting poor women!

Breeding for money is not a job!
If you can't see the difference between normal working people and a woman putting her life in danger so Chrissy Teigen can have a brood of four to hog more resources on then planet, then you are DELUSIONAL.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How is paid surrogacy any different than buying kidneys or blood?

It isn’t. We don’t allow people to sell organs or engage in prostitution but we allow them to rent out their wombs? It really doesn’t make sense.

+1, I think the main reason surrogacy is viewed more favorably in the US as opposed to other countries is the way the evangelical movement in the US has convo fed Americans that there is nothing more important than procreating. Also explains hypocrisy in the US regarding abortion and IVF.

I mostly agree. I think it's interesting that so many surrogates are evangelical or otherwise highly Christian and religious. People here are talking about exploitation, which is always a possibility, but what I've seen from US surrogates is that they tend to be married, financially stable people who view surrogacy as a higher (religious?) calling. Many of them have a LOT of kids and are not concerned about pregnancy complications; they popped out 5 of their own on the kitchen floor, what could go wrong? They're not doing it for the bucks and they don't feel the least bit exploited. They feel like they're helping God create families. As an atheist, I don't get it, but yeah I feel more favorably towards those women and surrogacy in the US than I do poor women in Indian baby farms doing it so they can put food on the table.

That’s true for the 2 women I know who have been surrogates. One was done for a friend (still compensated) and the other through an agency. Both women were SAHM and didn’t need the money, but saw it as a calling from God.

This is absoute BS - they do it for the money.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How is paid surrogacy any different than buying kidneys or blood?

It isn’t. We don’t allow people to sell organs or engage in prostitution but we allow them to rent out their wombs? It really doesn’t make sense.

+1, I think the main reason surrogacy is viewed more favorably in the US as opposed to other countries is the way the evangelical movement in the US has convo fed Americans that there is nothing more important than procreating. Also explains hypocrisy in the US regarding abortion and IVF.

I mostly agree. I think it's interesting that so many surrogates are evangelical or otherwise highly Christian and religious. People here are talking about exploitation, which is always a possibility, but what I've seen from US surrogates is that they tend to be married, financially stable people who view surrogacy as a higher (religious?) calling. Many of them have a LOT of kids and are not concerned about pregnancy complications; they popped out 5 of their own on the kitchen floor, what could go wrong? They're not doing it for the bucks and they don't feel the least bit exploited. They feel like they're helping God create families. As an atheist, I don't get it, but yeah I feel more favorably towards those women and surrogacy in the US than I do poor women in Indian baby farms doing it so they can put food on the table.

That’s true for the 2 women I know who have been surrogates. One was done for a friend (still compensated) and the other through an agency. Both women were SAHM and didn’t need the money, but saw it as a calling from God.

This is absoute BS - they do it for the money.

The one woman I know who was a surrogate wasn't super rich (probably about a 400k HHI) but was a SAHM who had easy pregnancies and did see it as a calling. Like, maybe the money topped off college savings, but it was not the primary motivator or needed to keep a roof over her head and as a college educated person who worked before kids it would have been very easy to get a regular job for 80k (and much of this 80k is for medical care, so more like 30k take home). She preferred to do something "easy" that she thought God would want and that let her stay home with her own kids.

Surrogates in the US, at least the ones who go through agencies, are not the poor, exploited underclass; they're middle class. They're not working 3 jobs cleaning toilets all day, living with the threat of water or heat being cut off, occasionally going hungry and in vulnerable life circumstances. They're just not.

[Anonymous]

My friend used a surrogate and she was a white nurse, married to a guy who had some other kind of middle class job. Where are you all getting that surrogates are poor and of color?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How is paid surrogacy any different than buying kidneys or blood?

It isn’t. We don’t allow people to sell organs or engage in prostitution but we allow them to rent out their wombs? It really doesn’t make sense.

+1, I think the main reason surrogacy is viewed more favorably in the US as opposed to other countries is the way the evangelical movement in the US has convo fed Americans that there is nothing more important than procreating. Also explains hypocrisy in the US regarding abortion and IVF.

I mostly agree. I think it's interesting that so many surrogates are evangelical or otherwise highly Christian and religious. People here are talking about exploitation, which is always a possibility, but what I've seen from US surrogates is that they tend to be married, financially stable people who view surrogacy as a higher (religious?) calling. Many of them have a LOT of kids and are not concerned about pregnancy complications; they popped out 5 of their own on the kitchen floor, what could go wrong? They're not doing it for the bucks and they don't feel the least bit exploited. They feel like they're helping God create families. As an atheist, I don't get it, but yeah I feel more favorably towards those women and surrogacy in the US than I do poor women in Indian baby farms doing it so they can put food on the table.

That’s true for the 2 women I know who have been surrogates. One was done for a friend (still compensated) and the other through an agency. Both women were SAHM and didn’t need the money, but saw it as a calling from God.

This is absoute BS - they do it for the money.

The one woman I know who was a surrogate wasn't super rich (probably about a 400k HHI) but was a SAHM who had easy pregnancies and did see it as a calling. Like, maybe the money topped off college savings, but it was not the primary motivator or needed to keep a roof over her head and as a college educated person who worked before kids it would have been very easy to get a regular job for 80k (and much of this 80k is for medical care, so more like 30k take home). She preferred to do something "easy" that she thought God would want and that let her stay home with her own kids.

Surrogates in the US, at least the ones who go through agencies, are not the poor, exploited underclass; they're middle class. They're not working 3 jobs cleaning toilets all day, living with the threat of water or heat being cut off, occasionally going hungry and in vulnerable life circumstances. They're just not.

The American "middle class" is struggling to afford food, buy a home, pay for health insurance and their kids college funds and you don't think middle class women NEED the money they get from renting out their wombs? What rich bubble are you posting from?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How is paid surrogacy any different than buying kidneys or blood?

It isn’t. We don’t allow people to sell organs or engage in prostitution but we allow them to rent out their wombs? It really doesn’t make sense.

+1, I think the main reason surrogacy is viewed more favorably in the US as opposed to other countries is the way the evangelical movement in the US has convo fed Americans that there is nothing more important than procreating. Also explains hypocrisy in the US regarding abortion and IVF.

I mostly agree. I think it's interesting that so many surrogates are evangelical or otherwise highly Christian and religious. People here are talking about exploitation, which is always a possibility, but what I've seen from US surrogates is that they tend to be married, financially stable people who view surrogacy as a higher (religious?) calling. Many of them have a LOT of kids and are not concerned about pregnancy complications; they popped out 5 of their own on the kitchen floor, what could go wrong? They're not doing it for the bucks and they don't feel the least bit exploited. They feel like they're helping God create families. As an atheist, I don't get it, but yeah I feel more favorably towards those women and surrogacy in the US than I do poor women in Indian baby farms doing it so they can put food on the table.

That’s true for the 2 women I know who have been surrogates. One was done for a friend (still compensated) and the other through an agency. Both women were SAHM and didn’t need the money, but saw it as a calling from God.

This is absoute BS - they do it for the money.

The one woman I know who was a surrogate wasn't super rich (probably about a 400k HHI) but was a SAHM who had easy pregnancies and did see it as a calling. Like, maybe the money topped off college savings, but it was not the primary motivator or needed to keep a roof over her head and as a college educated person who worked before kids it would have been very easy to get a regular job for 80k (and much of this 80k is for medical care, so more like 30k take home). She preferred to do something "easy" that she thought God would want and that let her stay home with her own kids.

Surrogates in the US, at least the ones who go through agencies, are not the poor, exploited underclass; they're middle class. They're not working 3 jobs cleaning toilets all day, living with the threat of water or heat being cut off, occasionally going hungry and in vulnerable life circumstances. They're just not.

The American "middle class" is struggling to afford food, buy a home, pay for health insurance and their kids college funds and you don't think middle class women NEED the money they get from renting out their wombs? What rich bubble are you posting from?

Who exactly is allowed to choose to be a surrogate in your mind? Only rich women ? You keep moving the goal posts here.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How is paid surrogacy any different than buying kidneys or blood?

It isn’t. We don’t allow people to sell organs or engage in prostitution but we allow them to rent out their wombs? It really doesn’t make sense.

+1, I think the main reason surrogacy is viewed more favorably in the US as opposed to other countries is the way the evangelical movement in the US has convo fed Americans that there is nothing more important than procreating. Also explains hypocrisy in the US regarding abortion and IVF.

I mostly agree. I think it's interesting that so many surrogates are evangelical or otherwise highly Christian and religious. People here are talking about exploitation, which is always a possibility, but what I've seen from US surrogates is that they tend to be married, financially stable people who view surrogacy as a higher (religious?) calling. Many of them have a LOT of kids and are not concerned about pregnancy complications; they popped out 5 of their own on the kitchen floor, what could go wrong? They're not doing it for the bucks and they don't feel the least bit exploited. They feel like they're helping God create families. As an atheist, I don't get it, but yeah I feel more favorably towards those women and surrogacy in the US than I do poor women in Indian baby farms doing it so they can put food on the table.

That’s true for the 2 women I know who have been surrogates. One was done for a friend (still compensated) and the other through an agency. Both women were SAHM and didn’t need the money, but saw it as a calling from God.

This is absoute BS - they do it for the money.

The one woman I know who was a surrogate wasn't super rich (probably about a 400k HHI) but was a SAHM who had easy pregnancies and did see it as a calling. Like, maybe the money topped off college savings, but it was not the primary motivator or needed to keep a roof over her head and as a college educated person who worked before kids it would have been very easy to get a regular job for 80k (and much of this 80k is for medical care, so more like 30k take home). She preferred to do something "easy" that she thought God would want and that let her stay home with her own kids.

Surrogates in the US, at least the ones who go through agencies, are not the poor, exploited underclass; they're middle class. They're not working 3 jobs cleaning toilets all day, living with the threat of water or heat being cut off, occasionally going hungry and in vulnerable life circumstances. They're just not.

The American "middle class" is struggling to afford food, buy a home, pay for health insurance and their kids college funds and you don't think middle class women NEED the money they get from renting out their wombs? What rich bubble are you posting from?

Who exactly is allowed to choose to be a surrogate in your mind? Only rich women ? You keep moving the goal posts here.

I'm against surrogacy. No one should be allowed to use women as breeders.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How is paid surrogacy any different than buying kidneys or blood?

It isn’t. We don’t allow people to sell organs or engage in prostitution but we allow them to rent out their wombs? It really doesn’t make sense.

+1, I think the main reason surrogacy is viewed more favorably in the US as opposed to other countries is the way the evangelical movement in the US has convo fed Americans that there is nothing more important than procreating. Also explains hypocrisy in the US regarding abortion and IVF.

I mostly agree. I think it's interesting that so many surrogates are evangelical or otherwise highly Christian and religious. People here are talking about exploitation, which is always a possibility, but what I've seen from US surrogates is that they tend to be married, financially stable people who view surrogacy as a higher (religious?) calling. Many of them have a LOT of kids and are not concerned about pregnancy complications; they popped out 5 of their own on the kitchen floor, what could go wrong? They're not doing it for the bucks and they don't feel the least bit exploited. They feel like they're helping God create families. As an atheist, I don't get it, but yeah I feel more favorably towards those women and surrogacy in the US than I do poor women in Indian baby farms doing it so they can put food on the table.

That’s true for the 2 women I know who have been surrogates. One was done for a friend (still compensated) and the other through an agency. Both women were SAHM and didn’t need the money, but saw it as a calling from God.

This is absoute BS - they do it for the money.

The one woman I know who was a surrogate wasn't super rich (probably about a 400k HHI) but was a SAHM who had easy pregnancies and did see it as a calling. Like, maybe the money topped off college savings, but it was not the primary motivator or needed to keep a roof over her head and as a college educated person who worked before kids it would have been very easy to get a regular job for 80k (and much of this 80k is for medical care, so more like 30k take home). She preferred to do something "easy" that she thought God would want and that let her stay home with her own kids.

Surrogates in the US, at least the ones who go through agencies, are not the poor, exploited underclass; they're middle class. They're not working 3 jobs cleaning toilets all day, living with the threat of water or heat being cut off, occasionally going hungry and in vulnerable life circumstances. They're just not.

The American "middle class" is struggling to afford food, buy a home, pay for health insurance and their kids college funds and you don't think middle class women NEED the money they get from renting out their wombs? What rich bubble are you posting from?

Who exactly is allowed to choose to be a surrogate in your mind? Only rich women ? You keep moving the goal posts here.

I'm against surrogacy. No one should be allowed to use women as breeders.

Then don't do it. My daughter, my solidly upper middle class, unexploited surrogate, and I are all glad that you are not king of the world.