Data Goldmine: YoY Enrollment Patterns by School

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Anonymous wrote:Wow, interesting that the folks who say Maury is increasingly sending kids to E-H appear to be right! 27 kids went from Maury to E-H last year?? Only 12 from Payne though, which is interesting...

S-H has decent buy-in from across its feeders, if still quite Watkins slanted (27 L-T, 29 JOW, 56 Watkins). That's definitely a foundation to grow from though.

Jefferson... all the people claiming Brent families were going there in any kind of numbers? Not even a little. Sub-10. Wow.

Current Payne 3rd and 5th grade parent here - class of 2022 at Payne was only maybe 17 kids - not because of exodus to charters, just a small grade. In general, Payne is a smaller school - only two classes per grade (except for ECE w/ 3 classes per grade) Current 5th grade class is over 40 kids and a good number of us will be at EH next year.

Ah, thanks for the info. I was surprised the number from Payne would be so low, because I figured parents who are willing to give Payne a shot through 5th are likely to be willing to give EH a shot and EH is relatively geographically convenient for most of the Payne IB.

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Anonymous wrote:Bigger news to me would be the massive bleed of Basis kids in general. They enroll 150 at 5th I think? So 35 kids leave after the first year. By 9th grade only FIFTY kids are left? Yikes.

Well no-- not all BASIS cohorts start at the same size. You'd have to look back in time to how many they enrolled in that particular cohort four years earlier. You could do that on the OSSE enrollment audit data website if you wanted to.

Well that's good. I hope they have more satisfied students than this looks like.

It’s possible that some of the students are being retained versus bigger cohorts at some grades. Depends on whether Basis retains students.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow, interesting that the folks who say Maury is increasingly sending kids to E-H appear to be right! 27 kids went from Maury to E-H last year?? Only 12 from Payne though, which is interesting...

S-H has decent buy-in from across its feeders, if still quite Watkins slanted (27 L-T, 29 JOW, 56 Watkins). That's definitely a foundation to grow from though.

Jefferson... all the people claiming Brent families were going there in any kind of numbers? Not even a little. Sub-10. Wow.

Current Payne 3rd and 5th grade parent here - class of 2022 at Payne was only maybe 17 kids - not because of exodus to charters, just a small grade. In general, Payne is a smaller school - only two classes per grade (except for ECE w/ 3 classes per grade) Current 5th grade class is over 40 kids and a good number of us will be at EH next year.

Maury 5th parent here. Your 5th is the same size as ours! So you think at least 30 will go? I’m actually getting a little excited.

Ah, interesting the 5th grades are the same size. Last year I think we had one 4th grade student leave for a charter, I am not sure if that will continue to be the trend or if we will start seeing the 4th/5th drop at Payne that other schools see. I don't know all of the parents well enough to ask them about next year, but so far I have only heard of one child who will not be at EH next year.
Either way, there is a lot of positive talk about the school, definitely more than a few years ago. And like somebody else said, I think part of that is due to the Principal and the strong community they seem to be building. In the past few weeks we have been at the school for their Basketball Fever feeder event and their production of Moana, and our kids really enjoyed them.

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I do not know. The data says Jefferson 6th grade this year had 27 students from Van Ness, 16 from Tyler, and 22 from Amidon. I think the trend is somewhat similar to EH. It is just not driven by Brent.

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Anonymous wrote:I do not know. The data says Jefferson 6th grade this year had 27 students from Van Ness, 16 from Tyler, and 22 from Amidon. I think the trend is somewhat similar to EH. It is just not driven by Brent.

+1. And I don’t see any recent posts actually claiming that lots of Brent kids go to Jefferson. So I’m not sure who that other poster is arguing with.

I think the brightness of Jefferson’s future will have little to do with how many Brent parents choose the school. And I say this as the parent of a Jefferson kid who came from Brent.

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Anonymous wrote:I do not know. The data says Jefferson 6th grade this year had 27 students from Van Ness, 16 from Tyler, and 22 from Amidon. I think the trend is somewhat similar to EH. It is just not driven by Brent.

+1. And I don’t see any recent posts actually claiming that lots of Brent kids go to Jefferson. So I’m not sure who that other poster is arguing with.

I think the brightness of Jefferson’s future will have little to do with how many Brent parents choose the school. And I say this as the parent of a Jefferson kid who came from Brent.

Looking at A-B’s PARCC scores and, tbh, VN’s to a lesser extent, I’m not sure a heavy feed from those schools is likely to be a positive for those looking for academic rigor.

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Anonymous wrote:I do not know. The data says Jefferson 6th grade this year had 27 students from Van Ness, 16 from Tyler, and 22 from Amidon. I think the trend is somewhat similar to EH. It is just not driven by Brent.

+1. And I don’t see any recent posts actually claiming that lots of Brent kids go to Jefferson. So I’m not sure who that other poster is arguing with.

I think the brightness of Jefferson’s future will have little to do with how many Brent parents choose the school. And I say this as the parent of a Jefferson kid who came from Brent.

Isn’t Tyler a big school (500ish)? 16 doesn’t seem like a lot…

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Anonymous wrote:I do not know. The data says Jefferson 6th grade this year had 27 students from Van Ness, 16 from Tyler, and 22 from Amidon. I think the trend is somewhat similar to EH. It is just not driven by Brent.

+1. And I don’t see any recent posts actually claiming that lots of Brent kids go to Jefferson. So I’m not sure who that other poster is arguing with.

I think the brightness of Jefferson’s future will have little to do with how many Brent parents choose the school. And I say this as the parent of a Jefferson kid who came from Brent.

Looking at A-B’s PARCC scores and, tbh, VN’s to a lesser extent, I’m not sure a heavy feed from those schools is likely to be a positive for those looking for academic rigor.

Whatever. The point was made that Jefferson and Eliot-Hine are similarly situated. And if PARCC scores are your thing, then that is certainly true with respect to the two schools.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow, interesting that the folks who say Maury is increasingly sending kids to E-H appear to be right! 27 kids went from Maury to E-H last year?? Only 12 from Payne though, which is interesting...

S-H has decent buy-in from across its feeders, if still quite Watkins slanted (27 L-T, 29 JOW, 56 Watkins). That's definitely a foundation to grow from though.

Jefferson... all the people claiming Brent families were going there in any kind of numbers? Not even a little. Sub-10. Wow.

Current Payne 3rd and 5th grade parent here - class of 2022 at Payne was only maybe 17 kids - not because of exodus to charters, just a small grade. In general, Payne is a smaller school - only two classes per grade (except for ECE w/ 3 classes per grade) Current 5th grade class is over 40 kids and a good number of us will be at EH next year.

Maury 5th parent here. Your 5th is the same size as ours! So you think at least 30 will go? I’m actually getting a little excited.

Ah, interesting the 5th grades are the same size. Last year I think we had one 4th grade student leave for a charter, I am not sure if that will continue to be the trend or if we will start seeing the 4th/5th drop at Payne that other schools see. I don't know all of the parents well enough to ask them about next year, but so far I have only heard of one child who will not be at EH next year.
Either way, there is a lot of positive talk about the school, definitely more than a few years ago. And like somebody else said, I think part of that is due to the Principal and the strong community they seem to be building. In the past few weeks we have been at the school for their Basketball Fever feeder event and their production of Moana, and our kids really enjoyed them.

LOL. I can name at least five students in our charter who left Maury after fourth grade.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow, interesting that the folks who say Maury is increasingly sending kids to E-H appear to be right! 27 kids went from Maury to E-H last year?? Only 12 from Payne though, which is interesting...

S-H has decent buy-in from across its feeders, if still quite Watkins slanted (27 L-T, 29 JOW, 56 Watkins). That's definitely a foundation to grow from though.

Jefferson... all the people claiming Brent families were going there in any kind of numbers? Not even a little. Sub-10. Wow.

Current Payne 3rd and 5th grade parent here - class of 2022 at Payne was only maybe 17 kids - not because of exodus to charters, just a small grade. In general, Payne is a smaller school - only two classes per grade (except for ECE w/ 3 classes per grade) Current 5th grade class is over 40 kids and a good number of us will be at EH next year.

Maury 5th parent here. Your 5th is the same size as ours! So you think at least 30 will go? I’m actually getting a little excited.

Ah, interesting the 5th grades are the same size. Last year I think we had one 4th grade student leave for a charter, I am not sure if that will continue to be the trend or if we will start seeing the 4th/5th drop at Payne that other schools see. I don't know all of the parents well enough to ask them about next year, but so far I have only heard of one child who will not be at EH next year.
Either way, there is a lot of positive talk about the school, definitely more than a few years ago. And like somebody else said, I think part of that is due to the Principal and the strong community they seem to be building. In the past few weeks we have been at the school for their Basketball Fever feeder event and their production of Moana, and our kids really enjoyed them.

LOL. I can name at least five students in our charter who left Maury after fourth grade.

Oh, sorry, are you saying you're at Payne. If so, I take that back.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow, interesting that the folks who say Maury is increasingly sending kids to E-H appear to be right! 27 kids went from Maury to E-H last year?? Only 12 from Payne though, which is interesting...

S-H has decent buy-in from across its feeders, if still quite Watkins slanted (27 L-T, 29 JOW, 56 Watkins). That's definitely a foundation to grow from though.

Jefferson... all the people claiming Brent families were going there in any kind of numbers? Not even a little. Sub-10. Wow.

Current Payne 3rd and 5th grade parent here - class of 2022 at Payne was only maybe 17 kids - not because of exodus to charters, just a small grade. In general, Payne is a smaller school - only two classes per grade (except for ECE w/ 3 classes per grade) Current 5th grade class is over 40 kids and a good number of us will be at EH next year.

Maury 5th parent here. Your 5th is the same size as ours! So you think at least 30 will go? I’m actually getting a little excited.

Ah, interesting the 5th grades are the same size. Last year I think we had one 4th grade student leave for a charter, I am not sure if that will continue to be the trend or if we will start seeing the 4th/5th drop at Payne that other schools see. I don't know all of the parents well enough to ask them about next year, but so far I have only heard of one child who will not be at EH next year.
Either way, there is a lot of positive talk about the school, definitely more than a few years ago. And like somebody else said, I think part of that is due to the Principal and the strong community they seem to be building. In the past few weeks we have been at the school for their Basketball Fever feeder event and their production of Moana, and our kids really enjoyed them.

LOL. I can name at least five students in our charter who left Maury after fourth grade.

Oh, sorry, are you saying you're at Payne. If so, I take that back.

More Maury families will start to stay through 5th and EH. Probably most will jump for Latin, but Basis is not broadly appealing, and at this point, most will chose EH over the other charters like TR, ITS.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow, interesting that the folks who say Maury is increasingly sending kids to E-H appear to be right! 27 kids went from Maury to E-H last year?? Only 12 from Payne though, which is interesting...

S-H has decent buy-in from across its feeders, if still quite Watkins slanted (27 L-T, 29 JOW, 56 Watkins). That's definitely a foundation to grow from though.

Jefferson... all the people claiming Brent families were going there in any kind of numbers? Not even a little. Sub-10. Wow.

Current Payne 3rd and 5th grade parent here - class of 2022 at Payne was only maybe 17 kids - not because of exodus to charters, just a small grade. In general, Payne is a smaller school - only two classes per grade (except for ECE w/ 3 classes per grade) Current 5th grade class is over 40 kids and a good number of us will be at EH next year.

Maury 5th parent here. Your 5th is the same size as ours! So you think at least 30 will go? I’m actually getting a little excited.

Ah, interesting the 5th grades are the same size. Last year I think we had one 4th grade student leave for a charter, I am not sure if that will continue to be the trend or if we will start seeing the 4th/5th drop at Payne that other schools see. I don't know all of the parents well enough to ask them about next year, but so far I have only heard of one child who will not be at EH next year.
Either way, there is a lot of positive talk about the school, definitely more than a few years ago. And like somebody else said, I think part of that is due to the Principal and the strong community they seem to be building. In the past few weeks we have been at the school for their Basketball Fever feeder event and their production of Moana, and our kids really enjoyed them.

LOL. I can name at least five students in our charter who left Maury after fourth grade.

Oh, sorry, are you saying you're at Payne. If so, I take that back.

More Maury families will start to stay through 5th and EH. Probably most will jump for Latin, but Basis is not broadly appealing, and at this point, most will chose EH over the other charters like TR, ITS.

Forgot to add - most would take Latin mainly for the HS pathway.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow, interesting that the folks who say Maury is increasingly sending kids to E-H appear to be right! 27 kids went from Maury to E-H last year?? Only 12 from Payne though, which is interesting...

S-H has decent buy-in from across its feeders, if still quite Watkins slanted (27 L-T, 29 JOW, 56 Watkins). That's definitely a foundation to grow from though.

Jefferson... all the people claiming Brent families were going there in any kind of numbers? Not even a little. Sub-10. Wow.

Current Payne 3rd and 5th grade parent here - class of 2022 at Payne was only maybe 17 kids - not because of exodus to charters, just a small grade. In general, Payne is a smaller school - only two classes per grade (except for ECE w/ 3 classes per grade) Current 5th grade class is over 40 kids and a good number of us will be at EH next year.

Maury 5th parent here. Your 5th is the same size as ours! So you think at least 30 will go? I’m actually getting a little excited.

Ah, interesting the 5th grades are the same size. Last year I think we had one 4th grade student leave for a charter, I am not sure if that will continue to be the trend or if we will start seeing the 4th/5th drop at Payne that other schools see. I don't know all of the parents well enough to ask them about next year, but so far I have only heard of one child who will not be at EH next year.
Either way, there is a lot of positive talk about the school, definitely more than a few years ago. And like somebody else said, I think part of that is due to the Principal and the strong community they seem to be building. In the past few weeks we have been at the school for their Basketball Fever feeder event and their production of Moana, and our kids really enjoyed them.

LOL. I can name at least five students in our charter who left Maury after fourth grade.

Oh, sorry, are you saying you're at Payne. If so, I take that back.

Yes, I am a Payne parent. I was commenting on how I think the reason Payne and Maury's 5th grades are the same size even though we are a smaller school is that we did not have a drop to charters after 4th grade last year - between the two 4th grade classes, 40 kids returned to Payne. Now who knows if that will be the case in years moving forward, but with more kids heading to the neighborhood middle school, it may create some momentum.

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Anonymous wrote:BASIS kids who left after 8th grade went only to:
Coolidge
SWW
Duke Ellington

Latin kids who left after 8th went only to:
Washington Leadership Academy
SWW
Duke Ellington

So basically, kids who aren't leaving for performing arts go to SWW or they stay

Or they go private or move (those not in the audit).

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Anonymous wrote:Bigger news to me would be the massive bleed of Basis kids in general. They enroll 150 at 5th I think? So 35 kids leave after the first year. By 9th grade only FIFTY kids are left? Yikes.

Those numbers are not new. The challenge is trying to assess the attrition without data from other schools. Because BASIS doesn't backfill, seats that empty are not replaced. Most other schools backfill so the numbers remain pretty constant. Latin, for instance, adds 15 kids in 9th and an average of 4 every year from 6th on up.

Before you and others with a hard on for BASIS chime in, this is a value neutral observation about data and NOT a discussion of whether they can or should backfill. It is a logical, data driven response to PP who is looking at a number that cannot be measured against other schools because other schools don't publish the number of kids who started in 5th/entry year.

Well, it seems that BASIS high school does lose less than 10 kids per year, it's just that they were all to schools outside the public DC system. That kind of surprises me, I would have expected a few to JR now and then. If a school has 59 9th graders and only 50 stay for 10th, that's not super wow. If a school has 51 9th graders and 50 stay for 10th, that's good.

I think people's argument about BASIS isn't that the students who attend it are miserable and they leave. It's that BASIS isn't anywhere near as good as its boosters would like others to think, and that it doesn't do a fair share of the more difficult work of the school system.

So, to summarize, BASIS parents are often defending BASIS and trying to explain that, notwithstanding the DCUM haters, BASIS families are often times quite happy and kids choose to remain for HS and are happy to have done so. Someone shows you data that says kids don't leave the HS for other charter or DCPS schools (as in zero) and your conclusion is that BASIS isn;t as good for those families (none of whom leave) as they say it is?

Also, BASIS families don't give a dam if you think BASIS does "its fair share". We're trying to get our kids educated. And, with all due respect, if you are IB for JR I don't really have patience for your commentary about what BASIS isn't doing.

Typical BASIS booster anger and aggression. I do care about all the kids in the city, and the functioning of the system as a whole, and if you don't, well, that's between you and your conscience.

I believe that BASIS isn't that great a school. I believe that it's so-called "success" is the result of its demographics rather than of excellent teaching or whatever else. I believe that if you took a matching slice of JR students (those who have attended a well-performing school starting in 5th grade and who were on grade level almost every year since), it would look no worse than BASIS does. I am not IB for JR, rather I'm a parent who researched BASIS for my kid and decided not to apply at all.

I also believe that parents often stay at schools that aren't that great, or aren't that good a fit, for lack of a better option and because it's hard to move teenagers away from their friends. Like any other school in the city, some of its families are more satisfied than others, and I don't assume retention indicates actual satisfaction.

I honestly feel sorry for you. This is a school you have never attended, have no first hand experience with and one you claim you didn't even want to attend, and yet you frequent DCUM to lecture parents who have kids at the school that the school their kids are at is not great? Because your research tells you more about what is a good school for their kids than their personal experience? Really? Wow.

If you only listen to people who actually enrolled, you won't get the whole picture. I did my research, I spoke with friends who were kind enough to be candid with me, and I decided it isn't that impressive. My best wishes to you and your child at BASIS!

Yes, we should definitely listen to people who have no actual experience with something but are willing to give their opinion. This is why I only take medical and legal advice from yahoos on Twitter.