Is it fair to brainwash our children?

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Anonymous wrote:Most people don’t know how to teach morality without religion.

That's because there is no morality without religion.

Then how can my 1st grader have such a strong sense of morality even though she has not been taught any religious dogma? Her morals also do not align with any certain religious sect.

DP
Actually her morals align with most religious traditions.
1)Play fair
2) Don’t hit people
3) Say sorry when you hurt someone.
4) Don’t take things that aren’t yours.
5) Sharing is loving.

She learned all this and more from her teachers in kindergarten.

Do the morals align with most religious traditions, or the other way around?

Because there are PLENTY of immoral rules in most holy books, and PLENTY of immoral things done in the name of religion which non-religious people would never do. This has all been covered 1,000 times here, but I'll be happy to report if asked.

What is the other way around?

Do most religious traditions align with morals.

Well, this might be the chicken or the egg kind that question.
I believe some moral principles are innate like don’t murder.
Some moral principles could be to create a peaceful community like don’t steal or commit adultery.
But, only religion teaches moral principles systematically to most people .

Riiiiggght.

Dear Editor: If 'The Bible is the inspired, inerrant word of Almighty God,' we need a new god. Here is a small sampling of the immoral, unethical and violent acts condoned and sometimes promoted by God and His Bible.

Adultery: Biblical hero Abraham impregnates his wife's servant.

Animal cruelty: Jesus sends 2,000 pigs plunging into the sea where they choke to death.

Anti-family values: Jesus proclaims, 'For I am come to set man against his father, and daughter against her mother ... '

Bigamy: Biblical hero Solomon possessed 700 wives.

Bigotry: God gives Moses the commandment to put all homosexuals to death.

Cannibalism: 'This woman said unto me, Give thy son, that we may eat him today, and we will eat my son tomorrow. So we boiled my son, and did eat him.'

Child abuse: 'Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against stones.'

Deceit: Biblical hero King David befriends Uriah and then has him killed so he can have Uriah's wife.

Incest: Lot's daughters get their father drunk and both get pregnant by him.

Intolerance, egomania and cruel mindedness: 'He that believeth not shall be damned.'

Slavery: Bible gives rules concerning a slave's obedience to his owner.

Violence: 'And we took all his cities and utterly destroyed the men, and the women, and the little ones.'

Woman abuse: Biblical hero Moses dictates. 'But all the woman children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.'


https://www.tuscaloosanews.com/story/opinion/letters/2007/11/11/bible-full-of-immoral-acts/27732069007/

I can keep going for days on this. Pages on slavery in exodus alone.

So do you believe God exists? And His Son is Jesus Christ, who was executed and resurrected?

No of course not. This thread is about religion and religious traditions, not the existence of god. It was in response to "only religion teaches moral principles systematically to most people"

[Anonymous]

You didn't answer who else teach morals directly
or indirectly except religion.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You didn't answer who else teach morals directly
or indirectly except religion.

Uhhh...

...parents...

...teachers...

...peers...

...most people in society by example...? (some by negative example)

We're all in this, man. There is no instruction book. Many religions teach a lot of stuff most people find highly immoral.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My eldest kid is only 10 and I don’t need to “teach” these things. She has been exposed to Hinduism, Islam, Judaism, Buddhism, Shintoism, atheism, and agnosticism simply by existing in the world and being an intellectually curious person.

How old are your kids that this is even a question?

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How is this even a question? Most normal kids are hanging out with friends and playing Roblox.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You didn't answer who else teach morals directly
or indirectly except religion.

Uhhh...

...parents...

...teachers...

...peers...

...most people in society by example...? (some by negative example)

We're all in this, man. There is no instruction book. Many religions teach a lot of stuff most people find highly immoral.

Yes, but all of them are influenced by religion.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My eldest kid is only 10 and I don’t need to “teach” these things. She has been exposed to Hinduism, Islam, Judaism, Buddhism, Shintoism, atheism, and agnosticism simply by existing in the world and being an intellectually curious person.

How old are your kids that this is even a question?

🤮

How is this even a question? Most normal kids are hanging out with friends and playing Roblox.

Oh dear. Sorry your child is a dullard.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You didn't answer who else teach morals directly
or indirectly except religion.

Uhhh...

...parents...

...teachers...

...peers...

...most people in society by example...? (some by negative example)

We're all in this, man. There is no instruction book. Many religions teach a lot of stuff most people find highly immoral.

Yes, but all of them are influenced by religion.

DP. Not in my area.

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Anonymous wrote:Most people don’t know how to teach morality without religion.

That's because there is no morality without religion.

Then how can my 1st grader have such a strong sense of morality even though she has not been taught any religious dogma? Her morals also do not align with any certain religious sect.

DP
Actually her morals align with most religious traditions.
1)Play fair
2) Don’t hit people
3) Say sorry when you hurt someone.
4) Don’t take things that aren’t yours.
5) Sharing is loving.

She learned all this and more from her teachers in kindergarten.

Do the morals align with most religious traditions, or the other way around?

Because there are PLENTY of immoral rules in most holy books, and PLENTY of immoral things done in the name of religion which non-religious people would never do. This has all been covered 1,000 times here, but I'll be happy to report if asked.

+1 and will add that in many religious traditions, morals come with the admonition that if you don't do the things that religions ask, a supposedly loving God will send you to hell to suffer for eternity.

How many times do you have to be told that most Christian denominations do not believe this.

Which Christian denominations don't believe in hell?

Universalists believe in universal salvation.

But are universalists Christian? Do they believe that Jesus is the son of God who resurrected from the dead, etc.?

yes, Universalists are Christian.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You didn't answer who else teach morals directly
or indirectly except religion.

Uhhh...

...parents...

...teachers...

...peers...

...most people in society by example...? (some by negative example)

We're all in this, man. There is no instruction book. Many religions teach a lot of stuff most people find highly immoral.

Yes, but all of them are influenced by religion.

Nope! Also not what you claimed.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Most people don’t know how to teach morality without religion.

That's because there is no morality without religion.

Then how can my 1st grader have such a strong sense of morality even though she has not been taught any religious dogma? Her morals also do not align with any certain religious sect.

DP
Actually her morals align with most religious traditions.
1)Play fair
2) Don’t hit people
3) Say sorry when you hurt someone.
4) Don’t take things that aren’t yours.
5) Sharing is loving.

She learned all this and more from her teachers in kindergarten.

Do the morals align with most religious traditions, or the other way around?

Because there are PLENTY of immoral rules in most holy books, and PLENTY of immoral things done in the name of religion which non-religious people would never do. This has all been covered 1,000 times here, but I'll be happy to report if asked.

+1 and will add that in many religious traditions, morals come with the admonition that if you don't do the things that religions ask, a supposedly loving God will send you to hell to suffer for eternity.

How many times do you have to be told that most Christian denominations do not believe this.

Which Christian denominations don't believe in hell?

Universalists believe in universal salvation.

But are universalists Christian? Do they believe that Jesus is the son of God who resurrected from the dead, etc.?

yes, Universalists are Christian.

Unitarian Universalists were derived from Christians, but are no longer. Unitarian meant "one God" and universality meant "everyone goes to heaven." Now UU churches are more of a place for people who don't believe in God who want to belong to a religious congregation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You didn't answer who else teach morals directly
or indirectly except religion.

Uhhh...

...parents...

...teachers...

...peers...

...most people in society by example...? (some by negative example)

We're all in this, man. There is no instruction book. Many religions teach a lot of stuff most people find highly immoral.

Yes, but all of them are influenced by religion.

DP. Not in my area.

What area?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Most people don’t know how to teach morality without religion.

That's because there is no morality without religion.

Then how can my 1st grader have such a strong sense of morality even though she has not been taught any religious dogma? Her morals also do not align with any certain religious sect.

DP
Actually her morals align with most religious traditions.
1)Play fair
2) Don’t hit people
3) Say sorry when you hurt someone.
4) Don’t take things that aren’t yours.
5) Sharing is loving.

She learned all this and more from her teachers in kindergarten.

Do the morals align with most religious traditions, or the other way around?

Because there are PLENTY of immoral rules in most holy books, and PLENTY of immoral things done in the name of religion which non-religious people would never do. This has all been covered 1,000 times here, but I'll be happy to report if asked.

+1 and will add that in many religious traditions, morals come with the admonition that if you don't do the things that religions ask, a supposedly loving God will send you to hell to suffer for eternity.

How many times do you have to be told that most Christian denominations do not believe this.

Which Christian denominations don't believe in hell?

Universalists believe in universal salvation.

But are universalists Christian? Do they believe that Jesus is the son of God who resurrected from the dead, etc.?

yes, Universalists are Christian.

Unitarian Universalists were derived from Christians, but are no longer. Unitarian meant "one God" and universality meant "everyone goes to heaven." Now UU churches are more of a place for people who don't believe in God who want to belong to a religious congregation.

I didn't say UU, I said Universalists. Some Universalist churches in the US joined the UUA and became UU, but not all. There are still Universalists who are Christian and believe in Universal salvation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You didn't answer who else teach morals directly
or indirectly except religion.

Uhhh...

...parents...

...teachers...

...peers...

...most people in society by example...? (some by negative example)

We're all in this, man. There is no instruction book. Many religions teach a lot of stuff most people find highly immoral.

Yes, but all of them are influenced by religion.

DP. Not in my area.

What area?

Liberal area with many educated people. Many didn't grow up with religion.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You didn't answer who else teach morals directly
or indirectly except religion.

Uhhh...

...parents...

...teachers...

...peers...

...most people in society by example...? (some by negative example)

We're all in this, man. There is no instruction book. Many religions teach a lot of stuff most people find highly immoral.

Yes, but all of them are influenced by religion.

DP. Not in my area.

What area?

Liberal area with many educated people. Many didn't grow up with religion.

Religious traditions and values are already baked in the societies culture.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You didn't answer who else teach morals directly
or indirectly except religion.

Uhhh...

...parents...

...teachers...

...peers...

...most people in society by example...? (some by negative example)

We're all in this, man. There is no instruction book. Many religions teach a lot of stuff most people find highly immoral.

Yes, but all of them are influenced by religion.

DP. Not in my area.

What area?

Liberal area with many educated people. Many didn't grow up with religion.

Religious traditions and values are already baked in the societies culture.

Religion doesn't own "be kind to others". In fact, in 2023 it really isn't teaching that at all.

And, yes, I guess we do all push the Santa/Easter bunny thing. So thanks for that influence - we always have fun with those.