Is it fair to brainwash our children?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I get the how useful it is for humans to have morality and love of God but find it questionable to teach kids about just one religion because that's what I was taught by my parents who were taught by theirs.

I wonder if as parents its our responsibility to introduce them to all major religions, as well as concepts of agnosticism and atheism?

We did that. Christianity won.

Christianity won quickly and effectively. The other “religions” were overwhelmed and relegated to obscurity. The people posting here who are hostile to Christianity are historically ignorant and do not realize that fact. We are speaking of the Western world in this context.

The flip side is hostile to Christianity/religion posters know this, and are gnashing their teeth with impotent rage. Thus, the “we should teach everyone’s kids about all religions! IT’S NOT FAIR” posters whining here very often.

No: if you want to offer an alternative and want that alternative populated significantly, go for it. I suspect that people understand that and thus the hatred here exhibited for Christianity.

The poster who repeatedly mentions the decline of Christianity in the United States will post soon. Ok.

Check out the growth Christianity im Africa, Asia. Christianity is growing worldwide. A humble carpenter was tortured and executed by His corrupt government- but He lives all over the world today. Amen!

(That ties in with the “we should ban all missionaries” posts that rear their delusional thread heads here often. No, we aren’t going to ban missionaries. You don’t get to dictate to the world what is done because you disagree with something.)

It’s not delusional to point out how unethical some missionaries are.

And some ”belief systems” spread faster than others. eg. Q

Your personal hostility towards Christianity does not mean Christian missionaries are unethical. The world operates on a scale that may or may not coincide with your personal ethical standards. That you don’t comprehend that fact is also a you problem.

Again- no child or adult, parent or otherwise -worldwide-has to agree with you or what you choose to believe. You have no right to decide anything for anyone but yourself. You have no power to choose anything for anyone. You are in charge of you. You are in charge of your minor child/children. Other people are in charge of themselves and their minor child/children.

Stop trying to force your values/morals/choices on people. It’s delusional and you need to realize that. It’s borderline pathological to believe you have any power to do these things.

To OP -- Thanks for asking a provocative question that has generated many thoughtful responses.

Yes, pretending you (or anyone else) has the right or responsibility to demand parents raise their children to the standards of anon, rando internet trolls certainly is provocative. Other words to describe this thread are delusional, dumb, and ignorant.

Nobody decides for kids but their parents. Don’t like that simple fact? It’s a you problem.

Who on this thread has "demanded" that other people raise their kids in a certain way?

Ah of course. No OP just posing the open minded question, brainwashing: good or bad?

(DP)

It's a parenting website and people discuss various topics related to raising their kids.

No one is "demanding" that you do anything. If you are triggered by discussion then maybe avoid certain threads.

So if I say “anyone who sends their kid to public school is harming their child” that’s just discussing a topic? Interesting.

Maybe if you pose it as a question. "Should I send my kid to public school if they are learning X there?"

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Anonymous wrote:I get the how useful it is for humans to have morality and love of God but find it questionable to teach kids about just one religion because that's what I was taught by my parents who were taught by theirs.

I wonder if as parents its our responsibility to introduce them to all major religions, as well as concepts of agnosticism and atheism?

We did that. Christianity won.

Christianity won quickly and effectively. The other “religions” were overwhelmed and relegated to obscurity. The people posting here who are hostile to Christianity are historically ignorant and do not realize that fact. We are speaking of the Western world in this context.

The flip side is hostile to Christianity/religion posters know this, and are gnashing their teeth with impotent rage. Thus, the “we should teach everyone’s kids about all religions! IT’S NOT FAIR” posters whining here very often.

No: if you want to offer an alternative and want that alternative populated significantly, go for it. I suspect that people understand that and thus the hatred here exhibited for Christianity.

The poster who repeatedly mentions the decline of Christianity in the United States will post soon. Ok.

Check out the growth Christianity im Africa, Asia. Christianity is growing worldwide. A humble carpenter was tortured and executed by His corrupt government- but He lives all over the world today. Amen!

(That ties in with the “we should ban all missionaries” posts that rear their delusional thread heads here often. No, we aren’t going to ban missionaries. You don’t get to dictate to the world what is done because you disagree with something.)

It’s not delusional to point out how unethical some missionaries are.

And some ”belief systems” spread faster than others. eg. Q

Your personal hostility towards Christianity does not mean Christian missionaries are unethical. The world operates on a scale that may or may not coincide with your personal ethical standards. That you don’t comprehend that fact is also a you problem.

Again- no child or adult, parent or otherwise -worldwide-has to agree with you or what you choose to believe. You have no right to decide anything for anyone but yourself. You have no power to choose anything for anyone. You are in charge of you. You are in charge of your minor child/children. Other people are in charge of themselves and their minor child/children.

Stop trying to force your values/morals/choices on people. It’s delusional and you need to realize that. It’s borderline pathological to believe you have any power to do these things.

To OP -- Thanks for asking a provocative question that has generated many thoughtful responses.

Yes, pretending you (or anyone else) has the right or responsibility to demand parents raise their children to the standards of anon, rando internet trolls certainly is provocative. Other words to describe this thread are delusional, dumb, and ignorant.

Nobody decides for kids but their parents. Don’t like that simple fact? It’s a you problem.

Who on this thread has "demanded" that other people raise their kids in a certain way?

Ah of course. No OP just posing the open minded question, brainwashing: good or bad?

(DP)

It's a parenting website and people discuss various topics related to raising their kids.

No one is "demanding" that you do anything. If you are triggered by discussion then maybe avoid certain threads.

So if I say “anyone who sends their kid to public school is harming their child” that’s just discussing a topic? Interesting.

It means you are expressing your opinion. An unusual opinion, to be sure, as so many people send their kids to public schools and attended them themselves. But still, it's an opinion.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Most people don’t know how to teach morality without religion.

That's because there is no morality without religion.

Then how can my 1st grader have such a strong sense of morality even though she has not been taught any religious dogma? Her morals also do not align with any certain religious sect.

DP
Actually her morals align with most religious traditions.
1)Play fair
2) Don’t hit people
3) Say sorry when you hurt someone.
4) Don’t take things that aren’t yours.
5) Sharing is loving.

She learned all this and more from her teachers in kindergarten.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Most people don’t know how to teach morality without religion.

That's because there is no morality without religion.

Then how can my 1st grader have such a strong sense of morality even though she has not been taught any religious dogma? Her morals also do not align with any certain religious sect.

DP
Actually her morals align with most religious traditions.
1)Play fair
2) Don’t hit people
3) Say sorry when you hurt someone.
4) Don’t take things that aren’t yours.
5) Sharing is loving.

She learned all this and more from her teachers in kindergarten.

Do the morals align with most religious traditions, or the other way around?

Because there are PLENTY of immoral rules in most holy books, and PLENTY of immoral things done in the name of religion which non-religious people would never do. This has all been covered 1,000 times here, but I'll be happy to report if asked.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Most people don’t know how to teach morality without religion.

That's because there is no morality without religion.

Then how can my 1st grader have such a strong sense of morality even though she has not been taught any religious dogma? Her morals also do not align with any certain religious sect.

DP
Actually her morals align with most religious traditions.
1)Play fair
2) Don’t hit people
3) Say sorry when you hurt someone.
4) Don’t take things that aren’t yours.
5) Sharing is loving.

She learned all this and more from her teachers in kindergarten.

Do the morals align with most religious traditions, or the other way around?

Because there are PLENTY of immoral rules in most holy books, and PLENTY of immoral things done in the name of religion which non-religious people would never do. This has all been covered 1,000 times here, but I'll be happy to report if asked.

+1 and will add that in many religious traditions, morals come with the admonition that if you don't do the things that religions ask, a supposedly loving God will send you to hell to suffer for eternity.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Most people don’t know how to teach morality without religion.

That's because there is no morality without religion.

Then how can my 1st grader have such a strong sense of morality even though she has not been taught any religious dogma? Her morals also do not align with any certain religious sect.

DP
Actually her morals align with most religious traditions.
1)Play fair
2) Don’t hit people
3) Say sorry when you hurt someone.
4) Don’t take things that aren’t yours.
5) Sharing is loving.

She learned all this and more from her teachers in kindergarten.

Do the morals align with most religious traditions, or the other way around?

Because there are PLENTY of immoral rules in most holy books, and PLENTY of immoral things done in the name of religion which non-religious people would never do. This has all been covered 1,000 times here, but I'll be happy to report if asked.

+1 and will add that in many religious traditions, morals come with the admonition that if you don't do the things that religions ask, a supposedly loving God will send you to hell to suffer for eternity.

How many times do you have to be told that most Christian denominations do not believe this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Most people don’t know how to teach morality without religion.

That's because there is no morality without religion.

Then how can my 1st grader have such a strong sense of morality even though she has not been taught any religious dogma? Her morals also do not align with any certain religious sect.

DP
Actually her morals align with most religious traditions.
1)Play fair
2) Don’t hit people
3) Say sorry when you hurt someone.
4) Don’t take things that aren’t yours.
5) Sharing is loving.

She learned all this and more from her teachers in kindergarten.

Do the morals align with most religious traditions, or the other way around?

Because there are PLENTY of immoral rules in most holy books, and PLENTY of immoral things done in the name of religion which non-religious people would never do. This has all been covered 1,000 times here, but I'll be happy to report if asked.

What is the other way around?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Most people don’t know how to teach morality without religion.

That's because there is no morality without religion.

Then how can my 1st grader have such a strong sense of morality even though she has not been taught any religious dogma? Her morals also do not align with any certain religious sect.

DP
Actually her morals align with most religious traditions.
1)Play fair
2) Don’t hit people
3) Say sorry when you hurt someone.
4) Don’t take things that aren’t yours.
5) Sharing is loving.

She learned all this and more from her teachers in kindergarten.

Do the morals align with most religious traditions, or the other way around?

Because there are PLENTY of immoral rules in most holy books, and PLENTY of immoral things done in the name of religion which non-religious people would never do. This has all been covered 1,000 times here, but I'll be happy to report if asked.

What is the other way around?

Do most religious traditions align with morals.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Most people don’t know how to teach morality without religion.

That's because there is no morality without religion.

Then how can my 1st grader have such a strong sense of morality even though she has not been taught any religious dogma? Her morals also do not align with any certain religious sect.

DP
Actually her morals align with most religious traditions.
1)Play fair
2) Don’t hit people
3) Say sorry when you hurt someone.
4) Don’t take things that aren’t yours.
5) Sharing is loving.

She learned all this and more from her teachers in kindergarten.

Do the morals align with most religious traditions, or the other way around?

Because there are PLENTY of immoral rules in most holy books, and PLENTY of immoral things done in the name of religion which non-religious people would never do. This has all been covered 1,000 times here, but I'll be happy to report if asked.

+1 and will add that in many religious traditions, morals come with the admonition that if you don't do the things that religions ask, a supposedly loving God will send you to hell to suffer for eternity.

How many times do you have to be told that most Christian denominations do not believe this.

Which Christian denominations don't believe in hell?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Most people don’t know how to teach morality without religion.

That's because there is no morality without religion.

Then how can my 1st grader have such a strong sense of morality even though she has not been taught any religious dogma? Her morals also do not align with any certain religious sect.

DP
Actually her morals align with most religious traditions.
1)Play fair
2) Don’t hit people
3) Say sorry when you hurt someone.
4) Don’t take things that aren’t yours.
5) Sharing is loving.

She learned all this and more from her teachers in kindergarten.

Do the morals align with most religious traditions, or the other way around?

Because there are PLENTY of immoral rules in most holy books, and PLENTY of immoral things done in the name of religion which non-religious people would never do. This has all been covered 1,000 times here, but I'll be happy to report if asked.

What is the other way around?

Do most religious traditions align with morals.

Well, this might be the chicken or the egg kind that question.
I believe some moral principles are innate like don’t murder.
Some moral principles could be to create a peaceful community like don’t steal or commit adultery.
But, only religion teaches moral principles systematically to most people .

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Most people don’t know how to teach morality without religion.

That's because there is no morality without religion.

Then how can my 1st grader have such a strong sense of morality even though she has not been taught any religious dogma? Her morals also do not align with any certain religious sect.

DP
Actually her morals align with most religious traditions.
1)Play fair
2) Don’t hit people
3) Say sorry when you hurt someone.
4) Don’t take things that aren’t yours.
5) Sharing is loving.

She learned all this and more from her teachers in kindergarten.

Do the morals align with most religious traditions, or the other way around?

Because there are PLENTY of immoral rules in most holy books, and PLENTY of immoral things done in the name of religion which non-religious people would never do. This has all been covered 1,000 times here, but I'll be happy to report if asked.

What is the other way around?

Seriously, dude? You need that explained?

That religions incorporated societal morals into their foundation.

Was that so hard to understand? You're trolling me, right?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Most people don’t know how to teach morality without religion.

That's because there is no morality without religion.

Then how can my 1st grader have such a strong sense of morality even though she has not been taught any religious dogma? Her morals also do not align with any certain religious sect.

DP
Actually her morals align with most religious traditions.
1)Play fair
2) Don’t hit people
3) Say sorry when you hurt someone.
4) Don’t take things that aren’t yours.
5) Sharing is loving.

She learned all this and more from her teachers in kindergarten.

Do the morals align with most religious traditions, or the other way around?

Because there are PLENTY of immoral rules in most holy books, and PLENTY of immoral things done in the name of religion which non-religious people would never do. This has all been covered 1,000 times here, but I'll be happy to report if asked.

What is the other way around?

Do most religious traditions align with morals.

Well, this might be the chicken or the egg kind that question.
I believe some moral principles are innate like don’t murder.
Some moral principles could be to create a peaceful community like don’t steal or commit adultery.
But, only religion teaches moral principles systematically to most people .

Riiiiggght.

Dear Editor: If 'The Bible is the inspired, inerrant word of Almighty God,' we need a new god. Here is a small sampling of the immoral, unethical and violent acts condoned and sometimes promoted by God and His Bible.

Adultery: Biblical hero Abraham impregnates his wife's servant.

Animal cruelty: Jesus sends 2,000 pigs plunging into the sea where they choke to death.

Anti-family values: Jesus proclaims, 'For I am come to set man against his father, and daughter against her mother ... '

Bigamy: Biblical hero Solomon possessed 700 wives.

Bigotry: God gives Moses the commandment to put all homosexuals to death.

Cannibalism: 'This woman said unto me, Give thy son, that we may eat him today, and we will eat my son tomorrow. So we boiled my son, and did eat him.'

Child abuse: 'Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against stones.'

Deceit: Biblical hero King David befriends Uriah and then has him killed so he can have Uriah's wife.

Incest: Lot's daughters get their father drunk and both get pregnant by him.

Intolerance, egomania and cruel mindedness: 'He that believeth not shall be damned.'

Slavery: Bible gives rules concerning a slave's obedience to his owner.

Violence: 'And we took all his cities and utterly destroyed the men, and the women, and the little ones.'

Woman abuse: Biblical hero Moses dictates. 'But all the woman children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.'


https://www.tuscaloosanews.com/story/opinion/letters/2007/11/11/bible-full-of-immoral-acts/27732069007/

I can keep going for days on this. Pages on slavery in exodus alone.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Most people don’t know how to teach morality without religion.

That's because there is no morality without religion.

Then how can my 1st grader have such a strong sense of morality even though she has not been taught any religious dogma? Her morals also do not align with any certain religious sect.

DP
Actually her morals align with most religious traditions.
1)Play fair
2) Don’t hit people
3) Say sorry when you hurt someone.
4) Don’t take things that aren’t yours.
5) Sharing is loving.

She learned all this and more from her teachers in kindergarten.

Do the morals align with most religious traditions, or the other way around?

Because there are PLENTY of immoral rules in most holy books, and PLENTY of immoral things done in the name of religion which non-religious people would never do. This has all been covered 1,000 times here, but I'll be happy to report if asked.

What is the other way around?

Do most religious traditions align with morals.

Well, this might be the chicken or the egg kind that question.
I believe some moral principles are innate like don’t murder.
Some moral principles could be to create a peaceful community like don’t steal or commit adultery.
But, only religion teaches moral principles systematically to most people .

Riiiiggght.

Dear Editor: If 'The Bible is the inspired, inerrant word of Almighty God,' we need a new god. Here is a small sampling of the immoral, unethical and violent acts condoned and sometimes promoted by God and His Bible.

Adultery: Biblical hero Abraham impregnates his wife's servant.

Animal cruelty: Jesus sends 2,000 pigs plunging into the sea where they choke to death.

Anti-family values: Jesus proclaims, 'For I am come to set man against his father, and daughter against her mother ... '

Bigamy: Biblical hero Solomon possessed 700 wives.

Bigotry: God gives Moses the commandment to put all homosexuals to death.

Cannibalism: 'This woman said unto me, Give thy son, that we may eat him today, and we will eat my son tomorrow. So we boiled my son, and did eat him.'

Child abuse: 'Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against stones.'

Deceit: Biblical hero King David befriends Uriah and then has him killed so he can have Uriah's wife.

Incest: Lot's daughters get their father drunk and both get pregnant by him.

Intolerance, egomania and cruel mindedness: 'He that believeth not shall be damned.'

Slavery: Bible gives rules concerning a slave's obedience to his owner.

Violence: 'And we took all his cities and utterly destroyed the men, and the women, and the little ones.'

Woman abuse: Biblical hero Moses dictates. 'But all the woman children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.'


https://www.tuscaloosanews.com/story/opinion/letters/2007/11/11/bible-full-of-immoral-acts/27732069007/

I can keep going for days on this. Pages on slavery in exodus alone.

So do you believe God exists? And His Son is Jesus Christ, who was executed and resurrected?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Most people don’t know how to teach morality without religion.

That's because there is no morality without religion.

Then how can my 1st grader have such a strong sense of morality even though she has not been taught any religious dogma? Her morals also do not align with any certain religious sect.

DP
Actually her morals align with most religious traditions.
1)Play fair
2) Don’t hit people
3) Say sorry when you hurt someone.
4) Don’t take things that aren’t yours.
5) Sharing is loving.

She learned all this and more from her teachers in kindergarten.

Do the morals align with most religious traditions, or the other way around?

Because there are PLENTY of immoral rules in most holy books, and PLENTY of immoral things done in the name of religion which non-religious people would never do. This has all been covered 1,000 times here, but I'll be happy to report if asked.

+1 and will add that in many religious traditions, morals come with the admonition that if you don't do the things that religions ask, a supposedly loving God will send you to hell to suffer for eternity.

How many times do you have to be told that most Christian denominations do not believe this.

Which Christian denominations don't believe in hell?

Universalists believe in universal salvation.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Most people don’t know how to teach morality without religion.

That's because there is no morality without religion.

Then how can my 1st grader have such a strong sense of morality even though she has not been taught any religious dogma? Her morals also do not align with any certain religious sect.

DP
Actually her morals align with most religious traditions.
1)Play fair
2) Don’t hit people
3) Say sorry when you hurt someone.
4) Don’t take things that aren’t yours.
5) Sharing is loving.

She learned all this and more from her teachers in kindergarten.

Do the morals align with most religious traditions, or the other way around?

Because there are PLENTY of immoral rules in most holy books, and PLENTY of immoral things done in the name of religion which non-religious people would never do. This has all been covered 1,000 times here, but I'll be happy to report if asked.

+1 and will add that in many religious traditions, morals come with the admonition that if you don't do the things that religions ask, a supposedly loving God will send you to hell to suffer for eternity.

How many times do you have to be told that most Christian denominations do not believe this.

Which Christian denominations don't believe in hell?

Universalists believe in universal salvation.

But are universalists Christian? Do they believe that Jesus is the son of God who resurrected from the dead, etc.?