Predictions for what happens when the SC bans affirmative action?

[Anonymous]

Colleges have been preparing for this eventuality by getting rid of standardized test scores, which has been a hurdle for certain minority groups. In 5-10 years, when they still can’t achieve “equity” in admissions, colleges will stop using GPA’s as a measure of qualification and look only at life experience. And then eventually I think all college admission will be by lottery.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think it will vary. Some schools will be happy to just enroll the best students and other will drop aa in favor of economic diversity

You make it sound like wanting diversity is at odds with enrolling the best students. I find these assumptions to be suspect. Like the posters who define merit as whatever benefits them the most.

The way diversity is defined and implemented today, yes, it is absolutely at odds at enrolling the best students. There is such a huge skills gap between the average URM and non URM applicant, that there is a serious shortage of equivalently qualified URM applicants in the application pipeline. If a college insists on getting anything close to proportional representation despite this, then by definition they have to pick lower qualified URM students to fill their class. The only way to claim that diversity does not affect quality today, is to redefine the very meaning of the word merit to something nonsensical, like Harvard did by introducing spurious variables like the personality ratings into the mix.

Also in every country where diversity is actually present, it has led to destruction of social cohesion, social trust and increase in friction. The former Yugoslavia, Sri Lanka, Sudan, Myanmar being some examples) Diversity advocate have only recently recognized this because now they are insisting on "inclusion" as being another responsibility of the non URM pool. This is just code for non URM's having to walk on eggshells, so as not to trigger or piss off URM's on campus. It's a fool's errand. Human kind is tribal by nature and just like diversity brought strife all over the world, it is destroying America's campus environment today.

So what is your solution? Whine endlessly about it? Or have no diversity and every racial group sticks to themselves? It’s too late for that. This country is diverse and we’d better continue to figure out ways to get along and include everyone because diversity isn’t going anywhere.

The solution is pretty simple.

1) Stop lying to the American people and acknowledge that the big skill gap is not due to systemic racism, but lack of cultural capital in the URM community, most of which is directly under their control.
2) Expect better from URM communities instead of molly coddling them. Delayed gratification, better work ethic, stronger focus on academics, stronger families, less out of wedlock child births for a start. None of this needs any change in attitude from non URM's
3) Intervene in elementary school to create a bigger pool of eligible candidates
3) Forget recruiting for Diversity. Recruit for the same standards
That's hard work, instead of yelling "systemic racism" whereever you see racial disparity, which is the lazy way out

I have a much easier solution:

1) pay women in URM communities NOT to have children

2) pay women in URM communities to have abortions. Not only make abortion free, but say if you abort, we will give you, eg, 10k.

Then there will be reparations on top of reparations, though. And guess who has to pay for those in jobs, etc. Since you mentioned it. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think it will vary. Some schools will be happy to just enroll the best students and other will drop aa in favor of economic diversity

You make it sound like wanting diversity is at odds with enrolling the best students. I find these assumptions to be suspect. Like the posters who define merit as whatever benefits them the most.

The way diversity is defined and implemented today, yes, it is absolutely at odds at enrolling the best students. There is such a huge skills gap between the average URM and non URM applicant, that there is a serious shortage of equivalently qualified URM applicants in the application pipeline. If a college insists on getting anything close to proportional representation despite this, then by definition they have to pick lower qualified URM students to fill their class. The only way to claim that diversity does not affect quality today, is to redefine the very meaning of the word merit to something nonsensical, like Harvard did by introducing spurious variables like the personality ratings into the mix.

Also in every country where diversity is actually present, it has led to destruction of social cohesion, social trust and increase in friction. The former Yugoslavia, Sri Lanka, Sudan, Myanmar being some examples) Diversity advocate have only recently recognized this because now they are insisting on "inclusion" as being another responsibility of the non URM pool. This is just code for non URM's having to walk on eggshells, so as not to trigger or piss off URM's on campus. It's a fool's errand. Human kind is tribal by nature and just like diversity brought strife all over the world, it is destroying America's campus environment today.

So what is your solution? Whine endlessly about it? Or have no diversity and every racial group sticks to themselves? It’s too late for that. This country is diverse and we’d better continue to figure out ways to get along and include everyone because diversity isn’t going anywhere.

The solution is pretty simple.

1) Stop lying to the American people and acknowledge that the big skill gap is not due to systemic racism, but lack of cultural capital in the URM community, most of which is directly under their control.
2) Expect better from URM communities instead of molly coddling them. Delayed gratification, better work ethic, stronger focus on academics, stronger families, less out of wedlock child births for a start. None of this needs any change in attitude from non URM's
3) Intervene in elementary school to create a bigger pool of eligible candidates
3) Forget recruiting for Diversity. Recruit for the same standards
That's hard work, instead of yelling "systemic racism" whereever you see racial disparity, which is the lazy way out

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:One school’s take.
https://thesandb.com/41276/article/office-of-admissions-braces-for-impact-of-predicted-end-of-affirmative-action/

That deposition should be fun once someone gets around to suing Grinnell over its admissions

[Anonymous]

If scotus repeals affirmative action, you will see more “teen takeovers”, that’s for sure.

[Anonymous]

The biggest beneficiaries of AA are white males, and by extension males in general. Colleges have been socially engineering 50/50 gender mixes for decades. If they were actually admitting solely based on merit, most American colleges would be 75% women, of all colors.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The biggest beneficiaries of AA are white males, and by extension males in general. Colleges have been socially engineering 50/50 gender mixes for decades. If they were actually admitting solely based on merit, most American colleges would be 75% women, of all colors.[/quote

I don't believe the SC case is reviewing the use of gender, only race.]

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:white people will turn on Asians when their kids continue to get rejected. They’ll need a new scapegoat

THIS!!!

+1. Let’s wait and see what happens when mostly Asians are admitted to Harvard and other Yvies and other too schools (with White legacies)Then many of those whites who criticized race consideration in the admission process will be livid.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This topic keeps being posted about and I don’t think it’s black people starting these threads. I really don’t think black people, the group that AA supposedly favors the most, are that concerned about how the SC will rule. Whether AA stays or not colleges will still build a diverse class.

It’s white people who think a black kid took their child’s spot who are starting these threads. A ruling banning AA will not work out like they think it will. They will find another group to blame. Watch out Asians.

I’m black with two kids in high school and don’t give a f$@# about the SC ruling. There are plenty of colleges out there. The ironic thing is there WAY more white people thinking they got screwed than black kids at any of these colleges. This isn’t going to solve your perceived problem.

Carry on though with 10 threads a day on this topic hoping somehow Sally can go to Harvard. Newsflash: it’s not happening.

+10000

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The biggest beneficiaries of AA are white males, and by extension males in general. Colleges have been socially engineering 50/50 gender mixes for decades. If they were actually admitting solely based on merit, most American colleges would be 75% women, of all colors.

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[Anonymous]

If Supreme Court strikes it down, it’s gonna be a long, hot summer.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:I think it will vary. Some schools will be happy to just enroll the best students and other will drop aa in favor of economic diversity

You make it sound like wanting diversity is at odds with enrolling the best students. I find these assumptions to be suspect. Like the posters who define merit as whatever benefits them the most.

The way diversity is defined and implemented today, yes, it is absolutely at odds at enrolling the best students. There is such a huge skills gap between the average URM and non URM applicant, that there is a serious shortage of equivalently qualified URM applicants in the application pipeline. If a college insists on getting anything close to proportional representation despite this, then by definition they have to pick lower qualified URM students to fill their class. The only way to claim that diversity does not affect quality today, is to redefine the very meaning of the word merit to something nonsensical, like Harvard did by introducing spurious variables like the personality ratings into the mix.

Also in every country where diversity is actually present, it has led to destruction of social cohesion, social trust and increase in friction. The former Yugoslavia, Sri Lanka, Sudan, Myanmar being some examples) Diversity advocate have only recently recognized this because now they are insisting on "inclusion" as being another responsibility of the non URM pool. This is just code for non URM's having to walk on eggshells, so as not to trigger or piss off URM's on campus. It's a fool's errand. Human kind is tribal by nature and just like diversity brought strife all over the world, it is destroying America's campus environment today.

So what is your solution? Whine endlessly about it? Or have no diversity and every racial group sticks to themselves? It’s too late for that. This country is diverse and we’d better continue to figure out ways to get along and include everyone because diversity isn’t going anywhere.

Seems like AAs are the only group needing assistance. Look at the makeup of colleges in Texas. Unfortunately, AAs are still very much struggling in this country.

Maybe they should pick up a few tips from here about how and why certain immigrant communities succeed, instead of constantly whining about how pervasive systemic racism in America is? If America is that bad, how come all these newcomers are leaving native born blacks and whites in the dust? Simple. It's all about cultural capital, a term that's taboo in leftist circles

httphttps://youtu.be/-eMLAFV4cx8be/-eMLAFV4cx8

Yeah but none of them ever dealing with systematic oppression by the whites.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think it will vary. Some schools will be happy to just enroll the best students and other will drop aa in favor of economic diversity

You make it sound like wanting diversity is at odds with enrolling the best students. I find these assumptions to be suspect. Like the posters who define merit as whatever benefits them the most.

The way diversity is defined and implemented today, yes, it is absolutely at odds at enrolling the best students. There is such a huge skills gap between the average URM and non URM applicant, that there is a serious shortage of equivalently qualified URM applicants in the application pipeline. If a college insists on getting anything close to proportional representation despite this, then by definition they have to pick lower qualified URM students to fill their class. The only way to claim that diversity does not affect quality today, is to redefine the very meaning of the word merit to something nonsensical, like Harvard did by introducing spurious variables like the personality ratings into the mix.

Also in every country where diversity is actually present, it has led to destruction of social cohesion, social trust and increase in friction. The former Yugoslavia, Sri Lanka, Sudan, Myanmar being some examples) Diversity advocate have only recently recognized this because now they are insisting on "inclusion" as being another responsibility of the non URM pool. This is just code for non URM's having to walk on eggshells, so as not to trigger or piss off URM's on campus. It's a fool's errand. Human kind is tribal by nature and just like diversity brought strife all over the world, it is destroying America's campus environment today.

So what is your solution? Whine endlessly about it? Or have no diversity and every racial group sticks to themselves? It’s too late for that. This country is diverse and we’d better continue to figure out ways to get along and include everyone because diversity isn’t going anywhere.

Seems like AAs are the only group needing assistance. Look at the makeup of colleges in Texas. Unfortunately, AAs are still very much struggling in this country.

Maybe they should pick up a few tips from here about how and why certain immigrant communities succeed, instead of constantly whining about how pervasive systemic racism in America is? If America is that bad, how come all these newcomers are leaving native born blacks and whites in the dust? Simple. It's all about cultural capital, a term that's taboo in leftist circles

httphttps://youtu.be/-eMLAFV4cx8be/-eMLAFV4cx8

Yes, I wonder why self-selected newcomers, who are coming here with college degrees (debt-free), no generational trauma and the ability to navigate the immigration bureaucracy are succeeding. I also wonder why people who’ve shown they were able to pay thousands of dollars in plane tickets, boat trips or or to pay off smugglers are succeeding.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think it will vary. Some schools will be happy to just enroll the best students and other will drop aa in favor of economic diversity

You make it sound like wanting diversity is at odds with enrolling the best students. I find these assumptions to be suspect. Like the posters who define merit as whatever benefits them the most.

The way diversity is defined and implemented today, yes, it is absolutely at odds at enrolling the best students. There is such a huge skills gap between the average URM and non URM applicant, that there is a serious shortage of equivalently qualified URM applicants in the application pipeline. If a college insists on getting anything close to proportional representation despite this, then by definition they have to pick lower qualified URM students to fill their class. The only way to claim that diversity does not affect quality today, is to redefine the very meaning of the word merit to something nonsensical, like Harvard did by introducing spurious variables like the personality ratings into the mix.

Also in every country where diversity is actually present, it has led to destruction of social cohesion, social trust and increase in friction. The former Yugoslavia, Sri Lanka, Sudan, Myanmar being some examples) Diversity advocate have only recently recognized this because now they are insisting on "inclusion" as being another responsibility of the non URM pool. This is just code for non URM's having to walk on eggshells, so as not to trigger or piss off URM's on campus. It's a fool's errand. Human kind is tribal by nature and just like diversity brought strife all over the world, it is destroying America's campus environment today.

So what is your solution? Whine endlessly about it? Or have no diversity and every racial group sticks to themselves? It’s too late for that. This country is diverse and we’d better continue to figure out ways to get along and include everyone because diversity isn’t going anywhere.

Seems like AAs are the only group needing assistance. Look at the makeup of colleges in Texas. Unfortunately, AAs are still very much struggling in this country.

Maybe they should pick up a few tips from here about how and why certain immigrant communities succeed, instead of constantly whining about how pervasive systemic racism in America is? If America is that bad, how come all these newcomers are leaving native born blacks and whites in the dust? Simple. It's all about cultural capital, a term that's taboo in leftist circles

httphttps://youtu.be/-eMLAFV4cx8be/-eMLAFV4cx8

https://youtu.be/-eMLAFV4cx8

The only Indian immigrants who make it into the U.S. legally are already highly-educated, talented workers. Skilled enough to get a job at FAANG or into a funded PhD program. These folks are UMC/wealthy in India.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think it will vary. Some schools will be happy to just enroll the best students and other will drop aa in favor of economic diversity

You make it sound like wanting diversity is at odds with enrolling the best students. I find these assumptions to be suspect. Like the posters who define merit as whatever benefits them the most.

The way diversity is defined and implemented today, yes, it is absolutely at odds at enrolling the best students. There is such a huge skills gap between the average URM and non URM applicant, that there is a serious shortage of equivalently qualified URM applicants in the application pipeline. If a college insists on getting anything close to proportional representation despite this, then by definition they have to pick lower qualified URM students to fill their class. The only way to claim that diversity does not affect quality today, is to redefine the very meaning of the word merit to something nonsensical, like Harvard did by introducing spurious variables like the personality ratings into the mix.

Also in every country where diversity is actually present, it has led to destruction of social cohesion, social trust and increase in friction. The former Yugoslavia, Sri Lanka, Sudan, Myanmar being some examples) Diversity advocate have only recently recognized this because now they are insisting on "inclusion" as being another responsibility of the non URM pool. This is just code for non URM's having to walk on eggshells, so as not to trigger or piss off URM's on campus. It's a fool's errand. Human kind is tribal by nature and just like diversity brought strife all over the world, it is destroying America's campus environment today.

So what is your solution? Whine endlessly about it? Or have no diversity and every racial group sticks to themselves? It’s too late for that. This country is diverse and we’d better continue to figure out ways to get along and include everyone because diversity isn’t going anywhere.

Seems like AAs are the only group needing assistance. Look at the makeup of colleges in Texas. Unfortunately, AAs are still very much struggling in this country.

Maybe they should pick up a few tips from here about how and why certain immigrant communities succeed, instead of constantly whining about how pervasive systemic racism in America is? If America is that bad, how come all these newcomers are leaving native born blacks and whites in the dust? Simple. It's all about cultural capital, a term that's taboo in leftist circles

httphttps://youtu.be/-eMLAFV4cx8be/-eMLAFV4cx8

https://youtu.be/-eMLAFV4cx8

Do you have any idea how difficult it is to legally immigrate to the U.S. in order to be able to legally work full-time here? There is a filter that you don’t seem to be aware of.