Predictions for what happens when the SC bans affirmative action?

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Joemarti wrote:What about rich white people's affirmative action -- admissions based on athletics such as fencing, tennis, soccer, crew, sailing, lacrosse, golf, etc. etc. etc. Let's be honest, playing sports in school is great. But, do we really need it to impact college admissions? And, I can see that there is a lot of hating on black kids, particularly black kids who come from wealthy parents. But, do you really think that their experience in life is the same as white kids' experiences? C'mon, get real.

I would argue that during the period when affirmative action has been in place -- roughly since the late 60s -- we have seen the US prosper above and beyond any other country in the world. Period. I'm not saying that this is because of affirmative action, but affirmative action certainly hasn't held us back. Get a grip wealthy white parents, your kids will be fine. You will help them get jobs when they graduate by using your connections. You will help them buy their first home by giving them seed money for the down payment. Calm down. It's going to be ok. If your kid is good enough to get into an Ivy, then they would have gotten into some top 25 school. If they didn't, there is a reason other than affirmative action.

What about the Asian kids without the social capital, family connections and seed money for first home?

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Anonymous wrote:I think it will vary. Some schools will be happy to just enroll the best students and other will drop aa in favor of economic diversity

You make it sound like wanting diversity is at odds with enrolling the best students. I find these assumptions to be suspect. Like the posters who define merit as whatever benefits them the most.

The way diversity is defined and implemented today, yes, it is absolutely at odds at enrolling the best students. There is such a huge skills gap between the average URM and non URM applicant, that there is a serious shortage of equivalently qualified URM applicants in the application pipeline. If a college insists on getting anything close to proportional representation despite this, then by definition they have to pick lower qualified URM students to fill their class. The only way to claim that diversity does not affect quality today, is to redefine the very meaning of the word merit to something nonsensical, like Harvard did by introducing spurious variables like the personality ratings into the mix.

Also in every country where diversity is actually present, it has led to destruction of social cohesion, social trust and increase in friction. The former Yugoslavia, Sri Lanka, Sudan, Myanmar being some examples) Diversity advocate have only recently recognized this because now they are insisting on "inclusion" as being another responsibility of the non URM pool. This is just code for non URM's having to walk on eggshells, so as not to trigger or piss off URM's on campus. It's a fool's errand. Human kind is tribal by nature and just like diversity brought strife all over the world, it is destroying America's campus environment today.

So what is your solution? Whine endlessly about it? Or have no diversity and every racial group sticks to themselves? It’s too late for that. This country is diverse and we’d better continue to figure out ways to get along and include everyone because diversity isn’t going anywhere.

Seems like AAs are the only group needing assistance. Look at the makeup of colleges in Texas. Unfortunately, AAs are still very much struggling in this country.

Maybe they should pick up a few tips from here about how and why certain immigrant communities succeed, instead of constantly whining about how pervasive systemic racism in America is? If America is that bad, how come all these newcomers are leaving native born blacks and whites in the dust? Simple. It's all about cultural capital, a term that's taboo in leftist circles

httphttps://youtu.be/-eMLAFV4cx8be/-eMLAFV4cx8

Yeah but none of them ever dealing with systematic oppression by the whites.

Because wait for it...... THERE IS NONE. Only lazy race huksters point to systemic racism as THE REASON, THEY ARE NOT MAKING PROGRESS. Because if America was systemically racist, you think Nigerian and Ghanaian immigrants would succeed here? Vietnamese refugees would succeed here? A person like Ilhan Omar would be in Congress?

You’re proving my point. Ilhan Omar’s father was a prominent senior officer in the Somali National Army before they immigrated. They were not at all “dirt poor.”

No you are embarrassing yourself. Ilhan Omar as a Muslim Black immigrants woman who got herself elected to Congress is indisputable proof that AMERICA IS NOT SYSTEMICALLY RACIST AND IF YOU HAVE THE RIGHT CULTURAL CAPITAL ANYBODY CAN SUCCEED IN AMERICA. That's the point

Maybe stop yelling at everyone, sit down, and learn about what systemic racism actually is. If you don’t want to come across as an arrogant, ignorant a-hole.

Some idiots deserve to be yelled at. I actually took the time to read "White Fragility", and "SO you want to talk about race" just to make sure I wasn't missing something obvious. So don't lecture me. BTW have you read any books by Thomas Sowell or any of the other black intellectuals or even seen the podcast of people like "Coleman Hughes" or do you so convinced that you are right that you don't even want to listen to the other side?

Hubris is a quality that is typical of leftists.

Thomas Sowell?

LOL

When you have degrees from 3 top Universities and have actually taught economics at other Top schools, then you can laugh, till then you are just a low IQ racist moron

You sound like trump and I don't mean that as a compliment. Weird random capitalization, "low iq", obsessed with bragging. Do they use DCUM at Mar-a-lago now?

You imbecile. I was talking about Thomas Sowell, not myself. Just because everything about you screams narcissist, doesn't mean everybody is like that too. And talk about a complete non sequitur about Trump. The Trump derangement syndrome is on full show here. Let it go and worry about the other mentally challenged imbecile in the White House today. This idiot is losing his marbles faster than an only fans model loses her clothes

+1. Great only fans comment

Meh. No one needs to hear about your day job.

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Anonymous wrote:Black people are not losing any sleep about how the SC will rule; and we definitely not creating multiple posts about it. At one point we were denied an education! When we were allowed to get educated we could go to certain schools so HBCUs were created. We are a resilient people; whatever ever the decision, we will be fine.

Don't speak for everyone. A lot of black families have legacy at places like Harvard and they're likely to be at least moderately upset. Your average black American, certainly not.

That’s because the average black American doesn’t benefit from affirmative action. The wealthy blacks who already are doing well are the ones who benefit the most. That’s the problem with the system. Affirmative action is a bandaid. It makes it look like there is progress because the top institutions are 15% black. But the average black kid lives in a less affluent area and receives an inferior education. We need to focus on improving the education for these kids as well as adding support systems for them so that they can have upward mobility. Affirmative action being used to help children of wealthy black parents doesn’t do anything to improve social mobility.

Please name the top institution that is 15% black.

Be better. You could have googled this but since your are both lazy and uniformed, I will provide you this information after sufficiently shaming you

https://college.harvard.edu/admissions/admissions-statistics

That racist anti Asian and formerly anti Jewish institution called Haa vahd

And yet you lack critical thinking. That says the class of 2026 is 15% black. Harvard as an institution is not 15% black. Still waiting . . .

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Anonymous wrote:Black people are not losing any sleep about how the SC will rule; and we definitely not creating multiple posts about it. At one point we were denied an education! When we were allowed to get educated we could go to certain schools so HBCUs were created. We are a resilient people; whatever ever the decision, we will be fine.

Don't speak for everyone. A lot of black families have legacy at places like Harvard and they're likely to be at least moderately upset. Your average black American, certainly not.

That’s because the average black American doesn’t benefit from affirmative action. The wealthy blacks who already are doing well are the ones who benefit the most. That’s the problem with the system. Affirmative action is a bandaid. It makes it look like there is progress because the top institutions are 15% black. But the average black kid lives in a less affluent area and receives an inferior education. We need to focus on improving the education for these kids as well as adding support systems for them so that they can have upward mobility. Affirmative action being used to help children of wealthy black parents doesn’t do anything to improve social mobility.

Please name the top institution that is 15% black.

Be better. You could have googled this but since your are both lazy and uniformed, I will provide you this information after sufficiently shaming you




https://college.harvard.edu/admissions/admissions-statistics

That racist anti Asian and formerly anti Jewish institution called Haa vahd

And yet you lack critical thinking. That says the class of 2026 is 15% black. Harvard as an institution is not 15% black. Still waiting . . .

+1 And the OP provided a link for the admitted class, not enrolled students for the class of 2026.

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I don’t even care what happens. Just stop this AA nonsense and we will deal with whatever comes after. Thank you SC.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t even care what happens. Just stop this AA nonsense and we will deal with whatever comes after. Thank you SC.

This, progress one step at a time.

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Affirmative action is dated. Colleges and companies should just accept who they want. Each school can fill their schools as they want.

DH works at a university hospital and there was a strong push to accept black residents. They were forced to pick out of a limited pool of qualified black applicants and the guy is awful. They never would have picked the guy if they were not told that they had to hire a black person. It isn’t good for the minority, not good for the program or hospital and not good for patients. The guy makes a lot of mistakes. His scores were lower than anyone they have ever accepted. They can’t fire him. It is a mess.

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Anonymous wrote:Affirmative action is dated. Colleges and companies should just accept who they want. Each school can fill their schools as they want.

DH works at a university hospital and there was a strong push to accept black residents. They were forced to pick out of a limited pool of qualified black applicants and the guy is awful. They never would have picked the guy if they were not told that they had to hire a black person. It isn’t good for the minority, not good for the program or hospital and not good for patients. The guy makes a lot of mistakes. His scores were lower than anyone they have ever accepted. They can’t fire him. It is a mess.

Correct, if colleges & companies 50% of their students or employees to Black, that is their prerogative.

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Anonymous wrote:Affirmative action is dated. Colleges and companies should just accept who they want. Each school can fill their schools as they want.

DH works at a university hospital and there was a strong push to accept black residents. They were forced to pick out of a limited pool of qualified black applicants and the guy is awful. They never would have picked the guy if they were not told that they had to hire a black person. It isn’t good for the minority, not good for the program or hospital and not good for patients. The guy makes a lot of mistakes. His scores were lower than anyone they have ever accepted. They can’t fire him. It is a mess.

I was once forced to lay off a black guy and hire the owner's nephew. I'm sure I'm not the only person to have ever been caught in the pinchers like that

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Anonymous wrote:Affirmative action is dated. Colleges and companies should just accept who they want. Each school can fill their schools as they want.

DH works at a university hospital and there was a strong push to accept black residents. They were forced to pick out of a limited pool of qualified black applicants and the guy is awful. They never would have picked the guy if they were not told that they had to hire a black person. It isn’t good for the minority, not good for the program or hospital and not good for patients. The guy makes a lot of mistakes. His scores were lower than anyone they have ever accepted. They can’t fire him. It is a mess.

Correct, if colleges & companies 50% of their students or employees to Black, that is their prerogative.

Asian American here. If Harvard wants to make 50% of their class black, I am totally fine with that. If my child doesn’t get hired at a company because he is Asian, also fine. That school and company is probably the wrong fit. Let the schools and companies perform with the people they think are right for their them.

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Joemarti wrote:What about rich white people's affirmative action -- admissions based on athletics such as fencing, tennis, soccer, crew, sailing, lacrosse, golf, etc. etc. etc. Let's be honest, playing sports in school is great. But, do we really need it to impact college admissions? And, I can see that there is a lot of hating on black kids, particularly black kids who come from wealthy parents. But, do you really think that their experience in life is the same as white kids' experiences? C'mon, get real.

I would argue that during the period when affirmative action has been in place -- roughly since the late 60s -- we have seen the US prosper above and beyond any other country in the world. Period. I'm not saying that this is because of affirmative action, but affirmative action certainly hasn't held us back. Get a grip wealthy white parents, your kids will be fine. You will help them get jobs when they graduate by using your connections. You will help them buy their first home by giving them seed money for the down payment. Calm down. It's going to be ok. If your kid is good enough to get into an Ivy, then they would have gotten into some top 25 school. If they didn't, there is a reason other than affirmative action.

Because college is not just about the courses. You could have a college like that. Not sure who would go. College is about growth not skills. The smartest kids do not get the smartest schools on purpose.

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Anonymous wrote:Affirmative action is dated. Colleges and companies should just accept who they want. Each school can fill their schools as they want.

DH works at a university hospital and there was a strong push to accept black residents. They were forced to pick out of a limited pool of qualified black applicants and the guy is awful. They never would have picked the guy if they were not told that they had to hire a black person. It isn’t good for the minority, not good for the program or hospital and not good for patients. The guy makes a lot of mistakes. His scores were lower than anyone they have ever accepted. They can’t fire him. It is a mess.

Correct, if colleges & companies 50% of their students or employees to Black, that is their prerogative.

Asian American here. If Harvard wants to make 50% of their class black, I am totally fine with that. If my child doesn’t get hired at a company because he is Asian, also fine. That school and company is probably the wrong fit. Let the schools and companies perform with the people they think are right for their them.

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