Is it time to end the 50% rule in math?

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Anonymous wrote:Teachers make decent money compared to similar professions that work 12 vs. 10 months. They have a contract that specifies the number of work days to income and that is what it is. However, you aren't going to get top people to teach at a HS for that income as anyone good at what they do wants a professional job with more income.

Teachers don't work for 10 months. Maybe 9 if you're being generous. Most are out a couple of times a month it's comparable to 160-170 days/year tops.

As a PP already stated, teachers work 193 duty days from 8/22/22 to 6/20/23 this year. That is 10 months.

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Anonymous wrote:Teachers make decent money compared to similar professions that work 12 vs. 10 months. They have a contract that specifies the number of work days to income and that is what it is. However, you aren't going to get top people to teach at a HS for that income as anyone good at what they do wants a professional job with more income.

Teachers don't work for 10 months. Maybe 9 if you're being generous. Most are out a couple of times a month it's comparable to 160-170 days/year tops.

As a PP already stated, teachers work 193 duty days from 8/22/22 to 6/20/23 this year. That is 10 months.

Maybe they're supposed to but my kids teacher are out at least 3-4 times search month so it ends up being a lot less.

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Anonymous wrote:Teachers make decent money compared to similar professions that work 12 vs. 10 months. They have a contract that specifies the number of work days to income and that is what it is. However, you aren't going to get top people to teach at a HS for that income as anyone good at what they do wants a professional job with more income.

Teachers don't work for 10 months. Maybe 9 if you're being generous. Most are out a couple of times a month it's comparable to 160-170 days/year tops.

As a PP already stated, teachers work 193 duty days from 8/22/22 to 6/20/23 this year. That is 10 months.

Maybe they're supposed to but my kids teacher are out at least 3-4 times search month so it ends up being a lot less.

I hope someone is counting how many days you're absent from work and telling people you don't truly work year round due to that. *massive eyeroll*

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Anonymous wrote:Teachers make decent money compared to similar professions that work 12 vs. 10 months. They have a contract that specifies the number of work days to income and that is what it is. However, you aren't going to get top people to teach at a HS for that income as anyone good at what they do wants a professional job with more income.

Teachers don't work for 10 months. Maybe 9 if you're being generous. Most are out a couple of times a month it's comparable to 160-170 days/year tops.

As a PP already stated, teachers work 193 duty days from 8/22/22 to 6/20/23 this year. That is 10 months.

Maybe they're supposed to but my kids teacher are out at least 3-4 times search month so it ends up being a lot less.

Given, covid, colds, flu and other viruses, teachers will get sick as will their kids. So, if you aren't willing to mask, send extra cleaning products and be part of the solution, stop complaining.

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Is this 50% about grades, or teacher attendance?

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Anonymous wrote:Here’s the problem: the most important years in a child’s education are k-5. Yet, the lower third of every college graduating class go into teaching (if they go into elementary education at all). See the issue?

This is a long standing problem. In order to attract higher caliber students to education programs, teacher pay needs to be raised which just isn't happening. If you raise pay, then likely more higher achieving kids will want to study education in college.

MCPS teachers who are on a 10-month schedule (don't have to work 2 months/year) start at $54,038 and go up to $118,814 with experience:
https://www2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/siteassets/district/departments/ersc/employees/pay/schedules/salary_schedule_current.pdf

It's actually less than 10 months. Typically 180 days, and if my kids' teachers are typical, most take off a few days a month, so more like 160-170 days total. Now, I'm not trying to denigrate teachers, it can be a tough job, but want to paint an accurate picture.

Teachers have 193 duty days from 8/22/22 to 6/20/23 this year.

When you include paid holidays it ends up 180.

Nice try, but those are duty days. It doesn't include paid holidays.

Oh I didn't realize July 4th, Xmas and Thanksgiving were duty days.

Cute. Teachers don't get July 4th as a paid holiday. And the other two are paid holidays not included in "duty days".

MCPS says teachers get paid 11 holidays is this in addition to winter and spring breaks?

If you're really curious, here you go:

https://www2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/siteassets/district/departments/ersc/employees/pay/schedules/payday_calendar_notes_2022-23.pdf

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Anonymous wrote:Teachers make decent money compared to similar professions that work 12 vs. 10 months. They have a contract that specifies the number of work days to income and that is what it is. However, you aren't going to get top people to teach at a HS for that income as anyone good at what they do wants a professional job with more income.

Teachers don't work for 10 months. Maybe 9 if you're being generous. Most are out a couple of times a month it's comparable to 160-170 days/year tops.

As a PP already stated, teachers work 193 duty days from 8/22/22 to 6/20/23 this year. That is 10 months.

Maybe they're supposed to but my kids teacher are out at least 3-4 times search month so it ends up being a lot less.

I hope someone is counting how many days you're absent from work and telling people you don't truly work year round due to that. *massive eyeroll*

And all that work that grades itself after hours, too.

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Anonymous wrote:Teachers make decent money compared to similar professions that work 12 vs. 10 months. They have a contract that specifies the number of work days to income and that is what it is. However, you aren't going to get top people to teach at a HS for that income as anyone good at what they do wants a professional job with more income.

Teachers don't work for 10 months. Maybe 9 if you're being generous. Most are out a couple of times a month it's comparable to 160-170 days/year tops.

As a PP already stated, teachers work 193 duty days from 8/22/22 to 6/20/23 this year. That is 10 months.

Maybe they're supposed to but my kids teacher are out at least 3-4 times search month so it ends up being a lot less.

Again, I’m a government contractor. I work 6 months a year. Are you trying to tell me that just because I work half the year I’m not entitled to sick days when I’m ill? Days to take off because I need to make medical appointments? Days to take off for personal reasons because personal reasons happen all 12 months? You’re not entitled to a teacher’s time. They sign a ten month contract and within those ten months, guess what? Real life happens. Teachers are real people with real lives going on at the same time. They don’t owe you anything. Get that through your head.

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Anonymous wrote:Private school parent here. Our school doesn't allow students to advance if they don't master the previous course. Hence, after a year of virtual learning during covid, most students who were doing Algebra I in 7th grade had to repeat it in 8th grade. Luckily we entered the school in HS and my daughter (who was in person entire 20-21 school year) tested into Algebra 2 for 9th grade while most 9th graders are doing geometry. She's doing great, but is only one of two 9th graders in her class. What's great is the class is rigorous and not dumbed down to accommodate other 9th graders who didn't master previous material.

Public schools used to be so good with math, but I fear those days are ending. My older child did MCPS through 8th grade years ago and had an excellent preparation for HS math.

Yawn, you keep posting about your private school the has no relevance to MCPS. Many kids did just fine in Algebra virtually, like mine. Maybe there is an issue with your private school if your child had to repeat a class. Or, why didn't you help them or get a tutor or have them do a summer prep or review class? Algebra 2 is nothing to brag about in 9th. Some of our kids are doing Algebra 2 in 8th.

I didn't say my kid had to repeat. I said the kids who were in this particular school for middle school had to repeat. My daughter was in person in another school for middle school and enrolled in this school for 9th. They did the right thing. Kids who aren't prepared for the material will only hold back those who are.

You are correct--SOME students do Alg. 2 in 8th, but it is very rare...especially now that kids are so far behind in math. I guess you haven't been reading all the stories about the horrendous test scores. Yes, some kids are fine and maybe yours is fine, but the majority ARE NOT FINE. MCPS just pushes kids through regardless of whether or not they have mastered material. We all know this.

You claim MANY kids did just find virtually in Algebra I...what does many mean? It should be most, not many. If not, then the kids who didn't do ok should repeat Alg. I so they don't hold back the kids who are actually well prepared for Alg. II.

You should question how well your private is doing if that many kids need to repeat.

The majority of kids are fine. The real issue for MCPS is the teaching style, lack of textbook and curriculum and lack of reinforcement via homework and classwork and the little they have is never reviewed in class. However, MCPS has offered free tutoring for two years both in person and virtually and has been back in person for two years so blaming covid/virtual at this point is silly.

Your private clearly isn't that good or taking the cream of the crop of students if some of our kids are far more advanced in math and doing better.

Here's the thing. The private school actually dives deep into content vs. what MCPS does, which is basically brushing the surface of everything. Any kid who was in virtual classes for an entire year would likely not have covered enough to get to the next level and truly excel in the material. The private school is being realistic and working to have students succeed vs. pushing them all through. This private school is one of the top 10 in the state, so not sure how you can say it is not good. Ranked higher than the W schools.

No, they don’t but keep telling yourself that. My kids have been in virtual for three years. We’ve done both public and private school. For math public is much better.

Not anymore, but keep telling yourself that. Like I said, our private HS is ranked above all W schools. Many students getting into top 20 schools...like 25-30% of the graduating seniors typically go to top 20 and many get into top engineering programs. I don't think you can say that about any W school. By the way, we're zoned for Churchill.

LOL. Which private school is that?

Maryland high schools ranked. One of the ones at the top. And the math is better.

Left the link off. https://www.niche.com/k12/search/best-high-schools/s/maryland/

???? You cannot be that dumb ? Actually you can and you are.
Look at your link again and figure it out if you can.

I will add to this, you are dumb if you can't figure out what school by process of elimination. Also, if you include entire DMV, you will find that there are many many private schools ranked higher than MCPS schools. Boy you really are dumb. https://www.niche.com/k12/search/best-schools/m/washington-dc-metro-area/?gradeLevel=high&type=traditional&type=charter&type=magnet&type=private

My goodness !!!
You are really that dumb. You still cannot figure out your own link.
Let me give you a clue : They don't rank private and public schools together.
Now, try again

They actually do. Just check all the boxes. See how that works?

No, it does not. You're dumb like a brick.
Try again

Even google is smarter than you are. https://www.google.com/search?q=niche+maryland+high+schools+ranked&oq=nich&aqs=chrome.0.69i59j69i57j69i59j46i199i433i465i512j69i60l4.1338j0j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

Yes, if you google best high schools in Maryland, this link comes up. https://www.niche.com/k12/search/best-high-schools/s/maryland/

This is how it shows in in google.

Gosh you're dumb. The sad thing is you're still doubling down on your dumbness even after you were given help. You still failed to figure it out. You're hopeless

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Anonymous wrote:Private school parent here. Our school doesn't allow students to advance if they don't master the previous course. Hence, after a year of virtual learning during covid, most students who were doing Algebra I in 7th grade had to repeat it in 8th grade. Luckily we entered the school in HS and my daughter (who was in person entire 20-21 school year) tested into Algebra 2 for 9th grade while most 9th graders are doing geometry. She's doing great, but is only one of two 9th graders in her class. What's great is the class is rigorous and not dumbed down to accommodate other 9th graders who didn't master previous material.

Public schools used to be so good with math, but I fear those days are ending. My older child did MCPS through 8th grade years ago and had an excellent preparation for HS math.

Yawn, you keep posting about your private school the has no relevance to MCPS. Many kids did just fine in Algebra virtually, like mine. Maybe there is an issue with your private school if your child had to repeat a class. Or, why didn't you help them or get a tutor or have them do a summer prep or review class? Algebra 2 is nothing to brag about in 9th. Some of our kids are doing Algebra 2 in 8th.

I didn't say my kid had to repeat. I said the kids who were in this particular school for middle school had to repeat. My daughter was in person in another school for middle school and enrolled in this school for 9th. They did the right thing. Kids who aren't prepared for the material will only hold back those who are.

You are correct--SOME students do Alg. 2 in 8th, but it is very rare...especially now that kids are so far behind in math. I guess you haven't been reading all the stories about the horrendous test scores. Yes, some kids are fine and maybe yours is fine, but the majority ARE NOT FINE. MCPS just pushes kids through regardless of whether or not they have mastered material. We all know this.

You claim MANY kids did just find virtually in Algebra I...what does many mean? It should be most, not many. If not, then the kids who didn't do ok should repeat Alg. I so they don't hold back the kids who are actually well prepared for Alg. II.

You should question how well your private is doing if that many kids need to repeat.

The majority of kids are fine. The real issue for MCPS is the teaching style, lack of textbook and curriculum and lack of reinforcement via homework and classwork and the little they have is never reviewed in class. However, MCPS has offered free tutoring for two years both in person and virtually and has been back in person for two years so blaming covid/virtual at this point is silly.

Your private clearly isn't that good or taking the cream of the crop of students if some of our kids are far more advanced in math and doing better.

Here's the thing. The private school actually dives deep into content vs. what MCPS does, which is basically brushing the surface of everything. Any kid who was in virtual classes for an entire year would likely not have covered enough to get to the next level and truly excel in the material. The private school is being realistic and working to have students succeed vs. pushing them all through. This private school is one of the top 10 in the state, so not sure how you can say it is not good. Ranked higher than the W schools.

No, they don’t but keep telling yourself that. My kids have been in virtual for three years. We’ve done both public and private school. For math public is much better.

Not anymore, but keep telling yourself that. Like I said, our private HS is ranked above all W schools. Many students getting into top 20 schools...like 25-30% of the graduating seniors typically go to top 20 and many get into top engineering programs. I don't think you can say that about any W school. By the way, we're zoned for Churchill.

LOL. Which private school is that?

Maryland high schools ranked. One of the ones at the top. And the math is better.

Left the link off. https://www.niche.com/k12/search/best-high-schools/s/maryland/

???? You cannot be that dumb ? Actually you can and you are.
Look at your link again and figure it out if you can.

I will add to this, you are dumb if you can't figure out what school by process of elimination. Also, if you include entire DMV, you will find that there are many many private schools ranked higher than MCPS schools. Boy you really are dumb. https://www.niche.com/k12/search/best-schools/m/washington-dc-metro-area/?gradeLevel=high&type=traditional&type=charter&type=magnet&type=private

My goodness !!!
You are really that dumb. You still cannot figure out your own link.
Let me give you a clue : They don't rank private and public schools together.
Now, try again

They actually do. Just check all the boxes. See how that works?

No, it does not. You're dumb like a brick.
Try again

Even google is smarter than you are. https://www.google.com/search?q=niche+maryland+high+schools+ranked&oq=nich&aqs=chrome.0.69i59j69i57j69i59j46i199i433i465i512j69i60l4.1338j0j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

Yes, if you google best high schools in Maryland, this link comes up. https://www.niche.com/k12/search/best-high-schools/s/maryland/

This is how it shows in in google.

Gosh you're dumb. The sad thing is you're still doubling down on your dumbness even after you were given help. You still failed to figure it out. You're hopeless

NP, while I think the private school parent is insufferable with her rankings, she is right about the link she posted, which ranks all schools together. Not sure why you are being so stubborn.

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Anonymous wrote:Math is a subject that builds on itself from year to year. It is incredibly hard to learn Algebra 2 if you passed Algebra 1 with a 59.5%. With 50% rule, the understanding level may be even less. Maybe we need to look for alternative options.

Option 1: Instead of 50% rule, would it be better for students to retake a class? MCPS allows students to replace an old grade with a new grade. This would boost the GPA and make sure students have enough background to move to the next level.

Option 2: Maybe we should not even grade math with a letter grade. Maybe we should determine what objects they have learned, allowing them to continue to move forward at their own pace. The transcript could instead say what level of math they were studying each school year.

Are there any other options out there that would better serve our students?

Each year of math has substantial review of previous year in the sequence.

A student who gets a 60% in Alg 1 in 9th grade or earlier can take 2-Year Algebra 2 to review and catch up. Alg I in 10th would only need Geometry in 11th and half of 2-year Alg 2 in 12th. Student who pass Algebra 2 with a low grade and still need more credits, can take Financial Mathematics which is a repeat of basic applied Algebra 1 and Algebra 2 topics.
There are also summer school options to retake courses.

MCPS has a pretty flexible curriculum for students to speed up and slow down to fit their personal progress after each year in math.

http://coursebulletin.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/CourseLists/Index/234/#Mathematics_Courses

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Anonymous wrote:Private school parent here. Our school doesn't allow students to advance if they don't master the previous course. Hence, after a year of virtual learning during covid, most students who were doing Algebra I in 7th grade had to repeat it in 8th grade. Luckily we entered the school in HS and my daughter (who was in person entire 20-21 school year) tested into Algebra 2 for 9th grade while most 9th graders are doing geometry. She's doing great, but is only one of two 9th graders in her class. What's great is the class is rigorous and not dumbed down to accommodate other 9th graders who didn't master previous material.

Public schools used to be so good with math, but I fear those days are ending. My older child did MCPS through 8th grade years ago and had an excellent preparation for HS math.

Yawn, you keep posting about your private school the has no relevance to MCPS. Many kids did just fine in Algebra virtually, like mine. Maybe there is an issue with your private school if your child had to repeat a class. Or, why didn't you help them or get a tutor or have them do a summer prep or review class? Algebra 2 is nothing to brag about in 9th. Some of our kids are doing Algebra 2 in 8th.

I didn't say my kid had to repeat. I said the kids who were in this particular school for middle school had to repeat. My daughter was in person in another school for middle school and enrolled in this school for 9th. They did the right thing. Kids who aren't prepared for the material will only hold back those who are.

You are correct--SOME students do Alg. 2 in 8th, but it is very rare...especially now that kids are so far behind in math. I guess you haven't been reading all the stories about the horrendous test scores. Yes, some kids are fine and maybe yours is fine, but the majority ARE NOT FINE. MCPS just pushes kids through regardless of whether or not they have mastered material. We all know this.

You claim MANY kids did just find virtually in Algebra I...what does many mean? It should be most, not many. If not, then the kids who didn't do ok should repeat Alg. I so they don't hold back the kids who are actually well prepared for Alg. II.

You should question how well your private is doing if that many kids need to repeat.

The majority of kids are fine. The real issue for MCPS is the teaching style, lack of textbook and curriculum and lack of reinforcement via homework and classwork and the little they have is never reviewed in class. However, MCPS has offered free tutoring for two years both in person and virtually and has been back in person for two years so blaming covid/virtual at this point is silly.

Your private clearly isn't that good or taking the cream of the crop of students if some of our kids are far more advanced in math and doing better.

Here's the thing. The private school actually dives deep into content vs. what MCPS does, which is basically brushing the surface of everything. Any kid who was in virtual classes for an entire year would likely not have covered enough to get to the next level and truly excel in the material. The private school is being realistic and working to have students succeed vs. pushing them all through. This private school is one of the top 10 in the state, so not sure how you can say it is not good. Ranked higher than the W schools.

No, they don’t but keep telling yourself that. My kids have been in virtual for three years. We’ve done both public and private school. For math public is much better.

Not anymore, but keep telling yourself that. Like I said, our private HS is ranked above all W schools. Many students getting into top 20 schools...like 25-30% of the graduating seniors typically go to top 20 and many get into top engineering programs. I don't think you can say that about any W school. By the way, we're zoned for Churchill.

LOL. Which private school is that?

Maryland high schools ranked. One of the ones at the top. And the math is better.

Left the link off. https://www.niche.com/k12/search/best-high-schools/s/maryland/

???? You cannot be that dumb ? Actually you can and you are.
Look at your link again and figure it out if you can.

I will add to this, you are dumb if you can't figure out what school by process of elimination. Also, if you include entire DMV, you will find that there are many many private schools ranked higher than MCPS schools. Boy you really are dumb. https://www.niche.com/k12/search/best-schools/m/washington-dc-metro-area/?gradeLevel=high&type=traditional&type=charter&type=magnet&type=private

My goodness !!!
You are really that dumb. You still cannot figure out your own link.
Let me give you a clue : They don't rank private and public schools together.
Now, try again

They actually do. Just check all the boxes. See how that works?

No, it does not. You're dumb like a brick.
Try again

Even google is smarter than you are. https://www.google.com/search?q=niche+maryland+high+schools+ranked&oq=nich&aqs=chrome.0.69i59j69i57j69i59j46i199i433i465i512j69i60l4.1338j0j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

Yes, if you google best high schools in Maryland, this link comes up. https://www.niche.com/k12/search/best-high-schools/s/maryland/

This is how it shows in in google.

Gosh you're dumb. The sad thing is you're still doubling down on your dumbness even after you were given help. You still failed to figure it out. You're hopeless

Niche is kind of a joke. So I'm guessing this isn't serious.

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Anonymous wrote:Teachers make decent money compared to similar professions that work 12 vs. 10 months. They have a contract that specifies the number of work days to income and that is what it is. However, you aren't going to get top people to teach at a HS for that income as anyone good at what they do wants a professional job with more income.

Teachers don't work for 10 months. Maybe 9 if you're being generous. Most are out a couple of times a month it's comparable to 160-170 days/year tops.

As a PP already stated, teachers work 193 duty days from 8/22/22 to 6/20/23 this year. That is 10 months.

Maybe they're supposed to but my kids teacher are out at least 3-4 times search month so it ends up being a lot less.

I hope someone is counting how many days you're absent from work and telling people you don't truly work year round due to that. *massive eyeroll*

And all that work that grades itself after hours, too.

It's almost like a real job with multiple week-long breaks and summers off.

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Anonymous wrote:Teachers make decent money compared to similar professions that work 12 vs. 10 months. They have a contract that specifies the number of work days to income and that is what it is. However, you aren't going to get top people to teach at a HS for that income as anyone good at what they do wants a professional job with more income.

Teachers don't work for 10 months. Maybe 9 if you're being generous. Most are out a couple of times a month it's comparable to 160-170 days/year tops.

As a PP already stated, teachers work 193 duty days from 8/22/22 to 6/20/23 this year. That is 10 months.

Maybe they're supposed to but my kids teacher are out at least 3-4 times search month so it ends up being a lot less.

I hope someone is counting how many days you're absent from work and telling people you don't truly work year round due to that. *massive eyeroll*

And all that work that grades itself after hours, too.

It's almost like a real job with multiple week-long breaks and summers off.

Everyone thought teaching was so easy. Then Covid happened and parents got stuck with kid or three at home - and couldn't wait to get them back in schools.

Now everyone thinks they know how to fix teaching. But are terrified of being teachers themselves.

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Anonymous wrote:Dump the 50% rule as well as the limit on the number of assignments a teacher can give. Only allowing 8-12 practice (homework) assignments per quarter is destroying competence and academic self-confidence. The current system is a disaster.

The kids who likely take advantage of this are struggling so why begrudge them this? My children had scores in the high 90s in all their classes so it was never an issue for us. If they changed it, it would have 0 impacts on us. I don't feel it really matters. I wish the school would grasp that not everyone has the same values and goals. Maybe they would provide different paths instead of all this "Honors for all" nonsense.5

Yep, nobody cares. This is a non-issue. Move along.