Is the GOP worried about its survival?

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Anonymous wrote:Hispanics are flocking to the GOP in droves. The single greatest political backfire in US history will be the Democrats kowtowing to the demands of unfettered illegal immigration from the south. They're letting in millions of people who are very, verrrrry Catholic, with strong patriarchal cultures, and whom often start small businesses and hate taxes. Dems are driving Hispanics to the GOP en masse.

Liberals have been saying the GOP would go extinct since about the 1950s. People just get more conservative the older they get once they have homes, have families, and have decent jobs. Story as old as time.

The birthrate is lower than ever, 50% of 18-45 yr olds live at home and millennials own a fraction of the wealth that boomers did at the same age.

And yet the US' population will keep increasing well into 2070.....because of ding!ding!ding! Immigration, most of which are Hispanics from down South. See how well it goes for Democrats over the next 40 years as they invite in millions of people per year who are super Catholic, super traditional family value oriented, who come from male dominated cultures, and who respond to politicians with strongmen personalities. Democrats are currently making the biggest blunder of all time with open borders.

You realize we need immigrants to do jobs that native born Americans won't do, right? Work on the fields, in slaughter houses, in nursing homes etc. If we don't have "those people" here then you are going to have to wipe your grandmother's ass and kill and dress your own sheep.

Do you even have a point? Guess what -; the people that do those jobs are often very Catholic and have traditional family values mindset. See what those kinds of people think about lbgtq issues, for example. Democrats are seeding their own demise and don't even realize it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Border is a complete disaster,

No it isn't. Democrats want open borders. They might change their mind if Hispanics vote Democrats, the same way they block Cubans from coming in.

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Anonymous wrote:Well, it’s one of the main reasons the GOP has become so anti-democratic. They are big into voter suppression and doing whatever they can to take real issues out of the hands of voters. If they can’t win elections due to demographic trends, they can just destroy our democracy and run it like an oligarchy.

+1 Here’s just one example from today.

This is just repellant and it’s so clearly what republicans here want. It’s the fantasy, innit boys? The weak-chinned King of Virginia gets to keep citizens from voting for life, after serving sentences, unless in his divine wisdom he grants divine clemency and all can marvel at his beneficence.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Not at all.

The more bat$hit crazy the Democrats get, the more comfortable I am, as a Republican, that reasonable Democrats will start to defect from the Democratic Party.

Walk Away, if you will.

Democrats seem to be all about government censorship, government control, demonizing law enforcement, over turning Constitutional Amendments, open borders, and supporting teachers unions - NOT supporting parents and students.

Joe Biden's presidency is the cause of reasonable Democrats and classical liberals to rethink their affiliation with the Democratic Party.

And what about the more bat$hit crazy the Republicans get? I mean come off it. MTG and DJT are the leaders of the GOP right now. Cray cray.

I consider myself a reasonable person. Everyone who knows me considers me a reasonable person. I would NEVER EVER in a million lifetimes join a party that accepted those two whackadoodles as leaders. Never mind Boebert and Matt Goetz and Paul Gosar. And the Christian nationalists who want to us to become a theocracy. And the closeted politicians and activists trying to take away marriage equality.

Please, tell us how moderate Democrats are going to flock to a party that wants to make abortion illegal FROM CONCEPTION. And to force 10 year olds to go through pregnancy. And to force women to go to term with dying, deformed fetuses. No way moderates are going to say, hey, no biggie, and vote for that.

Joe Biden is a moderate. If you think he is a raging leftist, you are far-right-leaning conservative. So you've exposed yourself.

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Anonymous wrote:Not at all.

The more bat$hit crazy the Democrats get, the more comfortable I am, as a Republican, that reasonable Democrats will start to defect from the Democratic Party.

Walk Away, if you will.

Democrats seem to be all about government censorship, government control, demonizing law enforcement, over turning Constitutional Amendments, open borders, and supporting teachers unions - NOT supporting parents and students.

Joe Biden's presidency is the cause of reasonable Democrats and classical liberals to rethink their affiliation with the Democratic Party.

wow. talk about projecting.

I'm sorry, who is it banning books and controlling medical care for women and trans people?

Nobody is banning books. I am fine with making sure certain books are not available in school libraries. That is not banning.
Placing limits on abortion? I am all for it. The life inside the woman matters.
And, who is limiting care for trans people? You think that CHILDREN should have life changing medication and surgical procedures when are not of the age of consent?

Ha, good luck attracting all those moderates with that position.

Women matter. Say it with me. Women matter.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'm not a fan of either party, both are dominated by their extremists.

But to worry about GOP survival is weird. They came close to winning 2020 and won the majority of house votes cast in 2022.

The GOP does have a bizarre obsession with extreme abortion rights (not quite offset by the Democrats' bizarre obsession with trans rights and cruel indifference to the border crisis and identity politics that is more divisive than healing). But you might ask yourself why the Democrats, if they're so much better, apparently, aren't blowing out the GOP in every election?

I daresay most Americans would be happy for both parties to completely self destruct and start over from scratch.

Uh - no. I think Dems are, on the whole, doing a pretty good job in a pretty hard circumstance. I am not interested in blowing everything up and starting again. There's no both sides here; no, we all made mistakes.

Disagree. The Democrats own the border crisis. They stood by and did nothing as millions poured over the border. The Democrats pushed progressive policies in major urban areas that have seen a corresponding explosion of crime and murders and violence. The various infrastructure and stimulus bills definitely fueled inflation. They are the public face of highly divisive identity politics pitting people against people. They have a lackluster record of supporting basic concepts like freedom of speech or press (as the twitter files revealed), which, if anything, are basic rights the party no longer values. The cronyism between the Democrats and legacy media and much of the Federal bureaucracy is disturbing. The rush to support trans right without seriously analyzing the long term implications for children's wellbeing with something they don't fully understand has been unhealthy and unproductive.

If you really want to understand why the Democrats are so despised by the 48% or so of Americans, try to step outside your bubble a bit.

Hey same for you and Republicans. Will you do that? Figure out why half of Americans despise the GOP?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Not at all.

The more bat$hit crazy the Democrats get, the more comfortable I am, as a Republican, that reasonable Democrats will start to defect from the Democratic Party.

Walk Away, if you will.

Democrats seem to be all about government censorship, government control, demonizing law enforcement, over turning Constitutional Amendments, open borders, and supporting teachers unions - NOT supporting parents and students.

Joe Biden's presidency is the cause of reasonable Democrats and classical liberals to rethink their affiliation with the Democratic Party.

And what about the more bat$hit crazy the Republicans get? I mean come off it. MTG and DJT are the leaders of the GOP right now. Cray cray.

I consider myself a reasonable person. Everyone who knows me considers me a reasonable person. I would NEVER EVER in a million lifetimes join a party that accepted those two whackadoodles as leaders. Never mind Boebert and Matt Goetz and Paul Gosar. And the Christian nationalists who want to us to become a theocracy. And the closeted politicians and activists trying to take away marriage equality.

Please, tell us how moderate Democrats are going to flock to a party that wants to make abortion illegal FROM CONCEPTION. And to force 10 year olds to go through pregnancy. And to force women to go to term with dying, deformed fetuses. No way moderates are going to say, hey, no biggie, and vote for that.

Joe Biden is a moderate. If you think he is a raging leftist, you are far-right-leaning conservative. So you've exposed yourself.

MTG and DJT totally have sway over what legislation gets introduced into congress. They can whip up all the party votes they need!

The GOP is going to build Trump's wall tomorrow tomorrow! They're going to end the vote for women! They're going to make it illegal to be LGBTQ+! It's going to be the Taliban 2.0!

Thats totally what the GOP donors want! And what the donors want is what the donors get!

MAGA

[Anonymous]

Joe Biden is indeed a moderate on some issues, but definitely not on all issues.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Hispanics are flocking to the GOP in droves. The single greatest political backfire in US history will be the Democrats kowtowing to the demands of unfettered illegal immigration from the south. They're letting in millions of people who are very, verrrrry Catholic, with strong patriarchal cultures, and whom often start small businesses and hate taxes. Dems are driving Hispanics to the GOP en masse.

Liberals have been saying the GOP would go extinct since about the 1950s. People just get more conservative the older they get once they have homes, have families, and have decent jobs. Story as old as time.

The birthrate is lower than ever, 50% of 18-45 yr olds live at home and millennials own a fraction of the wealth that boomers did at the same age.

And yet the US' population will keep increasing well into 2070.....because of ding!ding!ding! Immigration, most of which are Hispanics from down South. See how well it goes for Democrats over the next 40 years as they invite in millions of people per year who are super Catholic, super traditional family value oriented, who come from male dominated cultures, and who respond to politicians with strongmen personalities. Democrats are currently making the biggest blunder of all time with open borders.

You realize we need immigrants to do jobs that native born Americans won't do, right? Work on the fields, in slaughter houses, in nursing homes etc. If we don't have "those people" here then you are going to have to wipe your grandmother's ass and kill and dress your own sheep.

Do you even have a point? Guess what -; the people that do those jobs are often very Catholic and have traditional family values mindset. See what those kinds of people think about lbgtq issues, for example. Democrats are seeding their own demise and don't even realize it.

This thing you keep harping on about the grip that Catholicism has on Hispanic/Latina populations is interesting because my immigrant ancestors were also quite pious Catholics and several generations later, no one in my family goes to church anymore. Same with many people I know whose ancestors were quite religious.

Religion is slowly losing its grip on Americans. And when younger generations begin to assimilate in the US, they also lose the conservative, patriarchal traditions of their immigrant forefathers. American culture is a strong influence.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not at all.

The more bat$hit crazy the Democrats get, the more comfortable I am, as a Republican, that reasonable Democrats will start to defect from the Democratic Party.

Walk Away, if you will.

Democrats seem to be all about government censorship, government control, demonizing law enforcement, over turning Constitutional Amendments, open borders, and supporting teachers unions - NOT supporting parents and students.

Joe Biden's presidency is the cause of reasonable Democrats and classical liberals to rethink their affiliation with the Democratic Party.

And what about the more bat$hit crazy the Republicans get? I mean come off it. MTG and DJT are the leaders of the GOP right now. Cray cray.

I consider myself a reasonable person. Everyone who knows me considers me a reasonable person. I would NEVER EVER in a million lifetimes join a party that accepted those two whackadoodles as leaders. Never mind Boebert and Matt Goetz and Paul Gosar. And the Christian nationalists who want to us to become a theocracy. And the closeted politicians and activists trying to take away marriage equality.

Please, tell us how moderate Democrats are going to flock to a party that wants to make abortion illegal FROM CONCEPTION. And to force 10 year olds to go through pregnancy. And to force women to go to term with dying, deformed fetuses. No way moderates are going to say, hey, no biggie, and vote for that.

Joe Biden is a moderate. If you think he is a raging leftist, you are far-right-leaning conservative. So you've exposed yourself.

MTG and DJT totally have sway over what legislation gets introduced into congress. They can whip up all the party votes they need!

The GOP is going to build Trump's wall tomorrow tomorrow! They're going to end the vote for women! They're going to make it illegal to be LGBTQ+! It's going to be the Taliban 2.0!

Thats totally what the GOP donors want! And what the donors want is what the donors get!

MAGA

Yes, the MAGA seems to be pulling strings right now, that is for certain. You are not making a good case for becoming Republican! Until you kick out the MAGA, no thanks.

[Anonymous]

Some may ask, what about those straight, white Christian men over 50? Those men need to feel like they can return home to a more sane and rational and moderate space which for now is only the Democratic party. Unfortunately, the Democratic party makes people pick a team, and they practically force that demographic of men away. How? Well, by placing blame for centuries of history at their feet, when they themselves may never had any power of authority over anyone.

Wow! Are you sure you know which team is which? Let’s fast forward to the current day men who will finally return home to a more moderate space we call prison because they are insane and irrational criminals. If you don’t have the time to binge read, start from the last page and rewind one nefarious page at a time. https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/751002.page

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Hispanics are flocking to the GOP in droves. The single greatest political backfire in US history will be the Democrats kowtowing to the demands of unfettered illegal immigration from the south. They're letting in millions of people who are very, verrrrry Catholic, with strong patriarchal cultures, and whom often start small businesses and hate taxes. Dems are driving Hispanics to the GOP en masse.

Liberals have been saying the GOP would go extinct since about the 1950s. People just get more conservative the older they get once they have homes, have families, and have decent jobs. Story as old as time.

The birthrate is lower than ever, 50% of 18-45 yr olds live at home and millennials own a fraction of the wealth that boomers did at the same age.

And yet the US' population will keep increasing well into 2070.....because of ding!ding!ding! Immigration, most of which are Hispanics from down South. See how well it goes for Democrats over the next 40 years as they invite in millions of people per year who are super Catholic, super traditional family value oriented, who come from male dominated cultures, and who respond to politicians with strongmen personalities. Democrats are currently making the biggest blunder of all time with open borders.

You realize we need immigrants to do jobs that native born Americans won't do, right? Work on the fields, in slaughter houses, in nursing homes etc. If we don't have "those people" here then you are going to have to wipe your grandmother's ass and kill and dress your own sheep.

Do you even have a point? Guess what -; the people that do those jobs are often very Catholic and have traditional family values mindset. See what those kinds of people think about lbgtq issues, for example. Democrats are seeding their own demise and don't even realize it.

This thing you keep harping on about the grip that Catholicism has on Hispanic/Latina populations is interesting because my immigrant ancestors were also quite pious Catholics and several generations later, no one in my family goes to church anymore. Same with many people I know whose ancestors were quite religious.

Religion is slowly losing its grip on Americans. And when younger generations begin to assimilate in the US, they also lose the conservative, patriarchal traditions of their immigrant forefathers. American culture is a strong influence.

+1 People in this thread are making a lot of perhaps bigoted assumptions about Latino immigrants in particular and Catholics in general. Catholics are about 50-50 on abortion. As for Latinos:

“A common misconception is that because such a large proportion of the Latino population is Christian, Latinos are more likely to oppose abortion. Pollsters and strategists for both parties say that’s a myth for three reasons: Latinos aren’t as Christian as they once were, most Latinos don’t belong to Christian sects that advocate for political anti-abortion policies, and there are numerous factors beyond religion that shape Latino views on abortion.

…a July PRRI study of Hispanic voters, which found that 66 percent of Hispanics overall support abortion in most or all cases and 72 percent of Hispanic Catholics opposed the overturning of Roe. Less than a third of Hispanic Catholics say their religious faith dictates their views on abortion, and only 13 percent say they look to religious leaders for guidance on how to think about abortion.”

https://www.vox.com/platform/amp/the-highlight/23322487/abortion-latino-voters-roe-midterms-election
https://www.prri.org/research/political-and-religious-activation-and-polarization-in-the-wake-of-the-roe-overturn/

“In an August Mi Familia Vota/UnidosUS poll of Latino eligible voters, respondents were asked whether they agreed with the statement, “No matter what my personal beliefs about abortion are, I think it is wrong to make abortion illegal and take that choice away from everyone else.” Among Catholics, 76 percent agreed, and 58 percent strongly. And even among Republicans, 55 percent agreed and a third strongly.

For the first time ever, Latinos also ranked abortion as one of the top five issues facing the country — behind inflation and the rising cost of living, crime and gun violence, jobs and the economy, and health care.”
https://unidosus.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/unidosus_mifamiliavota_nationalsurveyoflatinovoters_81022.pdf

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hispanics are flocking to the GOP in droves. The single greatest political backfire in US history will be the Democrats kowtowing to the demands of unfettered illegal immigration from the south. They're letting in millions of people who are very, verrrrry Catholic, with strong patriarchal cultures, and whom often start small businesses and hate taxes. Dems are driving Hispanics to the GOP en masse.

Liberals have been saying the GOP would go extinct since about the 1950s. People just get more conservative the older they get once they have homes, have families, and have decent jobs. Story as old as time.

The birthrate is lower than ever, 50% of 18-45 yr olds live at home and millennials own a fraction of the wealth that boomers did at the same age.

And yet the US' population will keep increasing well into 2070.....because of ding!ding!ding! Immigration, most of which are Hispanics from down South. See how well it goes for Democrats over the next 40 years as they invite in millions of people per year who are super Catholic, super traditional family value oriented, who come from male dominated cultures, and who respond to politicians with strongmen personalities. Democrats are currently making the biggest blunder of all time with open borders.

You realize we need immigrants to do jobs that native born Americans won't do, right? Work on the fields, in slaughter houses, in nursing homes etc. If we don't have "those people" here then you are going to have to wipe your grandmother's ass and kill and dress your own sheep.

Do you even have a point? Guess what -; the people that do those jobs are often very Catholic and have traditional family values mindset. See what those kinds of people think about lbgtq issues, for example. Democrats are seeding their own demise and don't even realize it.

So you don't think people who are religious have compassion for others or are not accepting of LGBTQ people? Like do you even understand who Jesus Christ was?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:As the U.S. becomes increasingly non-white, unmarried and LGBTQ. What’s the plan to attract young women to the party?

I have faith (not in a religious sense, but in a deeply cynical political sense) the the Republican strategy of appealing to rural voters, and therefore taking advantage in the advantage granted to the least populous states in the Senate, will continue to pay huge dividends under the American political system. Either party needs both houses and the presidency to effectively legislate “wants.” You only need one house to say “no” to the other party. So the Rs just bide their time and take their shots when they can. And they’re patient. They’ve been playing this game a long time.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not at all.

The more bat$hit crazy the Democrats get, the more comfortable I am, as a Republican, that reasonable Democrats will start to defect from the Democratic Party.

Walk Away, if you will.

Democrats seem to be all about government censorship, government control, demonizing law enforcement, over turning Constitutional Amendments, open borders, and supporting teachers unions - NOT supporting parents and students.

Joe Biden's presidency is the cause of reasonable Democrats and classical liberals to rethink their affiliation with the Democratic Party.

And what about the more bat$hit crazy the Republicans get? I mean come off it. MTG and DJT are the leaders of the GOP right now. Cray cray.

I consider myself a reasonable person. Everyone who knows me considers me a reasonable person. I would NEVER EVER in a million lifetimes join a party that accepted those two whackadoodles as leaders. Never mind Boebert and Matt Goetz and Paul Gosar. And the Christian nationalists who want to us to become a theocracy. And the closeted politicians and activists trying to take away marriage equality.

Please, tell us how moderate Democrats are going to flock to a party that wants to make abortion illegal FROM CONCEPTION. And to force 10 year olds to go through pregnancy. And to force women to go to term with dying, deformed fetuses. No way moderates are going to say, hey, no biggie, and vote for that.

Joe Biden is a moderate. If you think he is a raging leftist, you are far-right-leaning conservative. So you've exposed yourself.

MTG and DJT totally have sway over what legislation gets introduced into congress. They can whip up all the party votes they need!

The GOP is going to build Trump's wall tomorrow tomorrow! They're going to end the vote for women! They're going to make it illegal to be LGBTQ+! It's going to be the Taliban 2.0!

Thats totally what the GOP donors want! And what the donors want is what the donors get!

MAGA

Yes, the MAGA seems to be pulling strings right now, that is for certain. You are not making a good case for becoming Republican! Until you kick out the MAGA, no thanks.

I'm pointing out that the crazies have zero effect on policy.

DJT and MTG are a show for the rubes.

And the same people fund both parties. The whole GOP/dem conflict is just a show.