Go for a run if you don't get into your choice college.

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Anonymous wrote:Affirmative action does boost minority students into the top schools even if they are under qualified academically. That is the point— in the service of righting systemic and historical inequity. At the same time, is still rude and antisocial to point out that any individual person may have gotten in through AA.

Im South Asian, a liberal, and feel very mixed about AA, not only because it discriminates against Asian students but also because it creates the unfair dynamic where other minorities are seen as having gotten in with lower standards, which is unfair to those who are highly qualified. I think these students need a lesson in graciousness and how to cope with disappointments rather than more indoctrination in why AA is the only way.

Thank you for your nuanced explanation. I'm more anti-affirmative action than you. I do not believe the children of today should be discriminated against because of the sins of a minority's forefathers. There are millions of people in America right now whose ancestors were nowhere near America during those benighted times, and who contribute economically and culturally to this great nation. Coming to the USA is not an implicit agreement to shoulder the guilt and shame of racist white slaveholders and Amerindian murderers, or anyone else who forced Chinese laborers to build railroads, or who interned Japanese families in concentration camps.

I greatly appreciate living here in a liberal part of the country, since it's less worse than living in a conservative part of the country, but from where I'm standing, Asians are perpetually discriminated against.

- east Asian

Well you fled your own country and came to a country that owed these people. Think of it like a lean on a house you volunteer to buy. You want the benefits of owning that house, then you need to pay off the debt.

First of all, it’s lien.

Second of all, this country was built on the free labor of East Asians too.

East Asians? Free Labor in the United States? I don’t think so. If anything East Asians hat slaves too on American soil. Two of the worst slave owners in history were Chang and Eng Bunker.

PP was talking about the railroads, dummy. And let's try to be more sophisticaed about the concept of "pay" here. Technically, railroad laborers were paid, but so were child laborers. We're talking about massive exploitation of a race.
No is is disagreeing that slavery was horrific and that its effects remain to this day, but it is a big leap to then say that because Afghan interpreters were paid by the US military, that they are therefore morally indebted to African slaves in the 1700s.

They are indebted, this country is and if they want to be citizens, they should do their part. And not only were Asians paid to work on the railroad, they just came to expand the railroad west. The railroads were already built with unpaid labor provided by black slaves.

Wow, that’s a lot of historical ignorance

You can attempt to change the narrative all you want, but anyone who researches the topic will see who built the railroad system in the United States and when the Chinese came over to work (for paid wages) to expand them west

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I’m waiting for the Supreme Court to redefine how race is treated in college admissions.

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Anonymous wrote:Affirmative action does boost minority students into the top schools even if they are under qualified academically. That is the point— in the service of righting systemic and historical inequity. At the same time, is still rude and antisocial to point out that any individual person may have gotten in through AA.

Im South Asian, a liberal, and feel very mixed about AA, not only because it discriminates against Asian students but also because it creates the unfair dynamic where other minorities are seen as having gotten in with lower standards, which is unfair to those who are highly qualified. I think these students need a lesson in graciousness and how to cope with disappointments rather than more indoctrination in why AA is the only way.

Thank you for your nuanced explanation. I'm more anti-affirmative action than you. I do not believe the children of today should be discriminated against because of the sins of a minority's forefathers. There are millions of people in America right now whose ancestors were nowhere near America during those benighted times, and who contribute economically and culturally to this great nation. Coming to the USA is not an implicit agreement to shoulder the guilt and shame of racist white slaveholders and Amerindian murderers, or anyone else who forced Chinese laborers to build railroads, or who interned Japanese families in concentration camps.

I greatly appreciate living here in a liberal part of the country, since it's less worse than living in a conservative part of the country, but from where I'm standing, Asians are perpetually discriminated against.

- east Asian

Well you fled your own country and came to a country that owed these people. Think of it like a lean on a house you volunteer to buy. You want the benefits of owning that house, then you need to pay off the debt.

First of all, it’s lien.

Second of all, this country was built on the free labor of East Asians too.

East Asians? Free Labor in the United States? I don’t think so. If anything East Asians hat slaves too on American soil. Two of the worst slave owners in history were Chang and Eng Bunker.

PP was talking about the railroads, dummy. And let's try to be more sophisticaed about the concept of "pay" here. Technically, railroad laborers were paid, but so were child laborers. We're talking about massive exploitation of a race.
No is is disagreeing that slavery was horrific and that its effects remain to this day, but it is a big leap to then say that because Afghan interpreters were paid by the US military, that they are therefore morally indebted to African slaves in the 1700s.

They are indebted, this country is and if they want to be citizens, they should do their part. And not only were Asians paid to work on the railroad, they just came to expand the railroad west. The railroads were already built with unpaid labor provided by black slaves.

Wow, that’s a lot of historical ignorance

You can attempt to change the narrative all you want, but anyone who researches the topic will see who built the railroad system in the United States and when the Chinese came over to work (for paid wages) to expand them west

Before the Civil War, slaves built railroads in the South. With reconstruction, former slaves were able to work on railways and were paid for their skills. The Chinese were paid extremely low wages and given the most dangerous jobs expanding the railways out west. Black people were paid for work on the railways, but the Chinese bore the brunt of the construction labor.
I'd rather not play the stupid game of who had it worse. Do you want to start bringing in Jews who survived the Holocaust? We can start an incredibly stupid and destructive game, or you can acknowledge that college admissions is fraught and that we are trying to figure out a way to use college admissions to improve society as a whole.

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Anonymous wrote:Affirmative action does boost minority students into the top schools even if they are under qualified academically. That is the point— in the service of righting systemic and historical inequity. At the same time, is still rude and antisocial to point out that any individual person may have gotten in through AA.

Im South Asian, a liberal, and feel very mixed about AA, not only because it discriminates against Asian students but also because it creates the unfair dynamic where other minorities are seen as having gotten in with lower standards, which is unfair to those who are highly qualified. I think these students need a lesson in graciousness and how to cope with disappointments rather than more indoctrination in why AA is the only way.

Thank you for your nuanced explanation. I'm more anti-affirmative action than you. I do not believe the children of today should be discriminated against because of the sins of a minority's forefathers. There are millions of people in America right now whose ancestors were nowhere near America during those benighted times, and who contribute economically and culturally to this great nation. Coming to the USA is not an implicit agreement to shoulder the guilt and shame of racist white slaveholders and Amerindian murderers, or anyone else who forced Chinese laborers to build railroads, or who interned Japanese families in concentration camps.

I greatly appreciate living here in a liberal part of the country, since it's less worse than living in a conservative part of the country, but from where I'm standing, Asians are perpetually discriminated against.

- east Asian

Well you fled your own country and came to a country that owed these people. Think of it like a lean on a house you volunteer to buy. You want the benefits of owning that house, then you need to pay off the debt.

First of all, it’s lien.

Second of all, this country was built on the free labor of East Asians too.

East Asians? Free Labor in the United States? I don’t think so. If anything East Asians hat slaves too on American soil. Two of the worst slave owners in history were Chang and Eng Bunker.

PP was talking about the railroads, dummy. And let's try to be more sophisticaed about the concept of "pay" here. Technically, railroad laborers were paid, but so were child laborers. We're talking about massive exploitation of a race.
No is is disagreeing that slavery was horrific and that its effects remain to this day, but it is a big leap to then say that because Afghan interpreters were paid by the US military, that they are therefore morally indebted to African slaves in the 1700s.

They are indebted, this country is and if they want to be citizens, they should do their part. And not only were Asians paid to work on the railroad, they just came to expand the railroad west. The railroads were already built with unpaid labor provided by black slaves.

Wow, that’s a lot of historical ignorance

You can attempt to change the narrative all you want, but anyone who researches the topic will see who built the railroad system in the United States and when the Chinese came over to work (for paid wages) to expand them west

Before the Civil War, slaves built railroads in the South. With reconstruction, former slaves were able to work on railways and were paid for their skills. The Chinese were paid extremely low wages and given the most dangerous jobs expanding the railways out west. Black people were paid for work on the railways, but the Chinese bore the brunt of the construction labor.
I'd rather not play the stupid game of who had it worse. Do you want to start bringing in Jews who survived the Holocaust? We can start an incredibly stupid and destructive game, or you can acknowledge that college admissions is fraught and that we are trying to figure out a way to use college admissions to improve society as a whole.

Yes, you are stupid for trying to compare Jews or Chinese to Blacks in this country who’s ancestors were slaves.

After a couple hundred years and a war they won for the Union, Blacks were paid low wages to work, Blacks were also in some cases still kept as slaves even after legislation was passed to free them. The Chinese voluntarily came here to work.

The Holocaust didn’t happen on US soil and the US was not responsible for the treatment that Jews endured during that 4 year period. Everything that happened to Jews during that 4year period, happened to Blacks on US soil for more than a 250 year period. And Jews got reparations.

You can’t say you want to improve society as a whole, if you won’t acknowledge what has been done to a people on US soil for more than 400 years, then look for other ways to victimize them because certain resources are being kept away from them. You are using white supremacist tactics.

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Anonymous wrote:Affirmative action does boost minority students into the top schools even if they are under qualified academically. That is the point— in the service of righting systemic and historical inequity. At the same time, is still rude and antisocial to point out that any individual person may have gotten in through AA.

Im South Asian, a liberal, and feel very mixed about AA, not only because it discriminates against Asian students but also because it creates the unfair dynamic where other minorities are seen as having gotten in with lower standards, which is unfair to those who are highly qualified. I think these students need a lesson in graciousness and how to cope with disappointments rather than more indoctrination in why AA is the only way.

Nobody is getting in that is under qualified academically. That is what people just can’t get.

This is such a cliche tautology. Yes the colleges are deciding who is qualified so by definition no one who is admitted is unqualified. Okay fine but that's not enough for anyone who is actually thinking critically about anything.

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Anonymous wrote:Pp here—takeaway for me—if you can’t have this tough conversation at GDS then where can you have it?

Nowhere. Individual white and Asian students are routinely and systematically discriminated against in the college admissions process; those doing so believe this unfairness is acceptable collateral damage to attain equity; even so, this is so obviously unfair to these students as to be optically hard to defend; admitting that this is going on will cause resentment that will be an obstacle to equity; so people are expected to just shut up about it.

This is true - esp. since 2020. Test optional has powered this initiative. AOs look askance at non-URM/non-recruited athlete applicants who dont submit test scores. at our DMV private, the HYPs this year were mostly recruited athletes who went TO or URM who went TO....just a fact. I'm glad they got in. But it is a zero sum game at each college. Spots not being added

+1 with TO it just explicitly feels like two completely separate tracks for getting into college depending on race etc. AA was more subtle before and harder to quantity. Now add in the data from the Sup CT case etc. Kids have eyes and ears and yes they say things aloud that adults don't (besides on anon forums like dcum)

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Anonymous wrote:Affirmative action does boost minority students into the top schools even if they are under qualified academically. That is the point— in the service of righting systemic and historical inequity. At the same time, is still rude and antisocial to point out that any individual person may have gotten in through AA.

Im South Asian, a liberal, and feel very mixed about AA, not only because it discriminates against Asian students but also because it creates the unfair dynamic where other minorities are seen as having gotten in with lower standards, which is unfair to those who are highly qualified. I think these students need a lesson in graciousness and how to cope with disappointments rather than more indoctrination in why AA is the only way.

Thank you for your nuanced explanation. I'm more anti-affirmative action than you. I do not believe the children of today should be discriminated against because of the sins of a minority's forefathers. There are millions of people in America right now whose ancestors were nowhere near America during those benighted times, and who contribute economically and culturally to this great nation. Coming to the USA is not an implicit agreement to shoulder the guilt and shame of racist white slaveholders and Amerindian murderers, or anyone else who forced Chinese laborers to build railroads, or who interned Japanese families in concentration camps.

I greatly appreciate living here in a liberal part of the country, since it's less worse than living in a conservative part of the country, but from where I'm standing, Asians are perpetually discriminated against.

- east Asian

Well you fled your own country and came to a country that owed these people. Think of it like a lean on a house you volunteer to buy. You want the benefits of owning that house, then you need to pay off the debt.

First of all, it’s lien.

Second of all, this country was built on the free labor of East Asians too.

East Asians? Free Labor in the United States? I don’t think so. If anything East Asians hat slaves too on American soil. Two of the worst slave owners in history were Chang and Eng Bunker.

PP was talking about the railroads, dummy. And let's try to be more sophisticaed about the concept of "pay" here. Technically, railroad laborers were paid, but so were child laborers. We're talking about massive exploitation of a race.
No is is disagreeing that slavery was horrific and that its effects remain to this day, but it is a big leap to then say that because Afghan interpreters were paid by the US military, that they are therefore morally indebted to African slaves in the 1700s.

They are indebted, this country is and if they want to be citizens, they should do their part. And not only were Asians paid to work on the railroad, they just came to expand the railroad west. The railroads were already built with unpaid labor provided by black slaves.

Wow, that’s a lot of historical ignorance

You can attempt to change the narrative all you want, but anyone who researches the topic will see who built the railroad system in the United States and when the Chinese came over to work (for paid wages) to expand them west

Before the Civil War, slaves built railroads in the South. With reconstruction, former slaves were able to work on railways and were paid for their skills. The Chinese were paid extremely low wages and given the most dangerous jobs expanding the railways out west. Black people were paid for work on the railways, but the Chinese bore the brunt of the construction labor.
I'd rather not play the stupid game of who had it worse. Do you want to start bringing in Jews who survived the Holocaust? We can start an incredibly stupid and destructive game, or you can acknowledge that college admissions is fraught and that we are trying to figure out a way to use college admissions to improve society as a whole.

Yes, you are stupid for trying to compare Jews or Chinese to Blacks in this country who’s ancestors were slaves.

After a couple hundred years and a war they won for the Union, Blacks were paid low wages to work, Blacks were also in some cases still kept as slaves even after legislation was passed to free them. The Chinese voluntarily came here to work.

The Holocaust didn’t happen on US soil and the US was not responsible for the treatment that Jews endured during that 4 year period. Everything that happened to Jews during that 4year period, happened to Blacks on US soil for more than a 250 year period. And Jews got reparations.

You can’t say you want to improve society as a whole, if you won’t acknowledge what has been done to a people on US soil for more than 400 years, then look for other ways to victimize them because certain resources are being kept away from them. You are using white supremacist tactics.

People do acknowledge that slavery happened. This is not Ron DeSantis' Florida. But you seem determined to be the number one victim because this happened on US soil. Other people are pointing out that it's a useless ranking. There are a lot of people who have recently suffered great trauma who are applying to colleges--remember that is the point of this thread--and it's not helping your cause to claim that the high schooler who fled Afghanistan because her father was tortured by the Taliban is less deserving of a coveted college admissions spot than a descendant of slaves because her dad was paid by the US military for his translation services.

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Anonymous wrote:Affirmative action does boost minority students into the top schools even if they are under qualified academically. That is the point— in the service of righting systemic and historical inequity. At the same time, is still rude and antisocial to point out that any individual person may have gotten in through AA.

Im South Asian, a liberal, and feel very mixed about AA, not only because it discriminates against Asian students but also because it creates the unfair dynamic where other minorities are seen as having gotten in with lower standards, which is unfair to those who are highly qualified. I think these students need a lesson in graciousness and how to cope with disappointments rather than more indoctrination in why AA is the only way.

Thank you for your nuanced explanation. I'm more anti-affirmative action than you. I do not believe the children of today should be discriminated against because of the sins of a minority's forefathers. There are millions of people in America right now whose ancestors were nowhere near America during those benighted times, and who contribute economically and culturally to this great nation. Coming to the USA is not an implicit agreement to shoulder the guilt and shame of racist white slaveholders and Amerindian murderers, or anyone else who forced Chinese laborers to build railroads, or who interned Japanese families in concentration camps.

I greatly appreciate living here in a liberal part of the country, since it's less worse than living in a conservative part of the country, but from where I'm standing, Asians are perpetually discriminated against.

- east Asian

Well you fled your own country and came to a country that owed these people. Think of it like a lean on a house you volunteer to buy. You want the benefits of owning that house, then you need to pay off the debt.

Seriously? Do you really think that this country hasn't and doesn't discriminate against Asians? Obviously not the same as slavery and its continuing aftermath, but among other things, this country prohibited Asians from being citizens and from immigrating to the US for a long time. The immigration ban wasn't lifted until 1965.

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Anonymous wrote:Affirmative action does boost minority students into the top schools even if they are under qualified academically. That is the point— in the service of righting systemic and historical inequity. At the same time, is still rude and antisocial to point out that any individual person may have gotten in through AA.

Im South Asian, a liberal, and feel very mixed about AA, not only because it discriminates against Asian students but also because it creates the unfair dynamic where other minorities are seen as having gotten in with lower standards, which is unfair to those who are highly qualified. I think these students need a lesson in graciousness and how to cope with disappointments rather than more indoctrination in why AA is the only way.

Thank you for your nuanced explanation. I'm more anti-affirmative action than you. I do not believe the children of today should be discriminated against because of the sins of a minority's forefathers. There are millions of people in America right now whose ancestors were nowhere near America during those benighted times, and who contribute economically and culturally to this great nation. Coming to the USA is not an implicit agreement to shoulder the guilt and shame of racist white slaveholders and Amerindian murderers, or anyone else who forced Chinese laborers to build railroads, or who interned Japanese families in concentration camps.

I greatly appreciate living here in a liberal part of the country, since it's less worse than living in a conservative part of the country, but from where I'm standing, Asians are perpetually discriminated against.

- east Asian

Well you fled your own country and came to a country that owed these people. Think of it like a lean on a house you volunteer to buy. You want the benefits of owning that house, then you need to pay off the debt.

First of all, it’s lien.

Second of all, this country was built on the free labor of East Asians too.

East Asians? Free Labor in the United States? I don’t think so. If anything East Asians hat slaves too on American soil. Two of the worst slave owners in history were Chang and Eng Bunker.

PP was talking about the railroads, dummy. And let's try to be more sophisticaed about the concept of "pay" here. Technically, railroad laborers were paid, but so were child laborers. We're talking about massive exploitation of a race.
No is is disagreeing that slavery was horrific and that its effects remain to this day, but it is a big leap to then say that because Afghan interpreters were paid by the US military, that they are therefore morally indebted to African slaves in the 1700s.

They are indebted, this country is and if they want to be citizens, they should do their part. And not only were Asians paid to work on the railroad, they just came to expand the railroad west. The railroads were already built with unpaid labor provided by black slaves.

Wow, that’s a lot of historical ignorance

You can attempt to change the narrative all you want, but anyone who researches the topic will see who built the railroad system in the United States and when the Chinese came over to work (for paid wages) to expand them west

Before the Civil War, slaves built railroads in the South. With reconstruction, former slaves were able to work on railways and were paid for their skills. The Chinese were paid extremely low wages and given the most dangerous jobs expanding the railways out west. Black people were paid for work on the railways, but the Chinese bore the brunt of the construction labor.
I'd rather not play the stupid game of who had it worse. Do you want to start bringing in Jews who survived the Holocaust? We can start an incredibly stupid and destructive game, or you can acknowledge that college admissions is fraught and that we are trying to figure out a way to use college admissions to improve society as a whole.

Yes, you are stupid for trying to compare Jews or Chinese to Blacks in this country who’s ancestors were slaves.

After a couple hundred years and a war they won for the Union, Blacks were paid low wages to work, Blacks were also in some cases still kept as slaves even after legislation was passed to free them. The Chinese voluntarily came here to work.

The Holocaust didn’t happen on US soil and the US was not responsible for the treatment that Jews endured during that 4 year period. Everything that happened to Jews during that 4year period, happened to Blacks on US soil for more than a 250 year period. And Jews got reparations.

You can’t say you want to improve society as a whole, if you won’t acknowledge what has been done to a people on US soil for more than 400 years, then look for other ways to victimize them because certain resources are being kept away from them. You are using white supremacist tactics.

I support affirmative action, but this is one of more the more racist posts I've seen on DCUM. Seems to me you simply have no sympathy for people of non-black races. Or for people in this country who are currently going through serious trauma for non-racial reasons. Your glib statement about Jewish suffering just makes you sound like a really bad and ignorant person. And seriously, anti-semitism only happened for 4 years?

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Anonymous wrote:Affirmative action does boost minority students into the top schools even if they are under qualified academically. That is the point— in the service of righting systemic and historical inequity. At the same time, is still rude and antisocial to point out that any individual person may have gotten in through AA.

Im South Asian, a liberal, and feel very mixed about AA, not only because it discriminates against Asian students but also because it creates the unfair dynamic where other minorities are seen as having gotten in with lower standards, which is unfair to those who are highly qualified. I think these students need a lesson in graciousness and how to cope with disappointments rather than more indoctrination in why AA is the only way.

Nobody is getting in that is under qualified academically. That is what people just can’t get.

That part!!!!!! People just convince themselves of whatever they must to sleep at night. Being underrepresented does not equal being under qualified. In fact, I would argue, most of us are overqualified but they are not prepared for that discussion! It can't be fathomed, their kid is not good enough on their own merit so they have to pull the race card.

People get it. Of course they do. But when students see average SATs and average GPAs for kids who get those spots, and then then see that the average SAT/GPA for URM/athletes/legacy is so much lower than the average admitted student, that's when people start arguing that the admissions are not fair. The terms "overqualified" and "underqualified" have no teeth.

According to the top colleges/university's in the US themselves, they are explicitly stating they are caring a lot LESS about SAT's/GPA's in general. They are turning down thousands of applicants with better than perfect grades and test scores! They are looking for much more! It's literally there on their website. And I've been in DC Privates for 6 years now and have NO idea what any other child's GPA or test scores are. So how are people so knowledgeable that grades and test scores are lower? Rhetorical.

It's not rhetorical - there is a ton of data.

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Anonymous wrote:Affirmative action does boost minority students into the top schools even if they are under qualified academically. That is the point— in the service of righting systemic and historical inequity. At the same time, is still rude and antisocial to point out that any individual person may have gotten in through AA.

Im South Asian, a liberal, and feel very mixed about AA, not only because it discriminates against Asian students but also because it creates the unfair dynamic where other minorities are seen as having gotten in with lower standards, which is unfair to those who are highly qualified. I think these students need a lesson in graciousness and how to cope with disappointments rather than more indoctrination in why AA is the only way.

Thank you for your nuanced explanation. I'm more anti-affirmative action than you. I do not believe the children of today should be discriminated against because of the sins of a minority's forefathers. There are millions of people in America right now whose ancestors were nowhere near America during those benighted times, and who contribute economically and culturally to this great nation. Coming to the USA is not an implicit agreement to shoulder the guilt and shame of racist white slaveholders and Amerindian murderers, or anyone else who forced Chinese laborers to build railroads, or who interned Japanese families in concentration camps.

I greatly appreciate living here in a liberal part of the country, since it's less worse than living in a conservative part of the country, but from where I'm standing, Asians are perpetually discriminated against.

- east Asian

Well you fled your own country and came to a country that owed these people. Think of it like a lean on a house you volunteer to buy. You want the benefits of owning that house, then you need to pay off the debt.

First of all, it’s lien.

Second of all, this country was built on the free labor of East Asians too.

East Asians? Free Labor in the United States? I don’t think so. If anything East Asians hat slaves too on American soil. Two of the worst slave owners in history were Chang and Eng Bunker.

PP was talking about the railroads, dummy. And let's try to be more sophisticaed about the concept of "pay" here. Technically, railroad laborers were paid, but so were child laborers. We're talking about massive exploitation of a race.
No is is disagreeing that slavery was horrific and that its effects remain to this day, but it is a big leap to then say that because Afghan interpreters were paid by the US military, that they are therefore morally indebted to African slaves in the 1700s.

They are indebted, this country is and if they want to be citizens, they should do their part. And not only were Asians paid to work on the railroad, they just came to expand the railroad west. The railroads were already built with unpaid labor provided by black slaves.

Wow, that’s a lot of historical ignorance

You can attempt to change the narrative all you want, but anyone who researches the topic will see who built the railroad system in the United States and when the Chinese came over to work (for paid wages) to expand them west

Before the Civil War, slaves built railroads in the South. With reconstruction, former slaves were able to work on railways and were paid for their skills. The Chinese were paid extremely low wages and given the most dangerous jobs expanding the railways out west. Black people were paid for work on the railways, but the Chinese bore the brunt of the construction labor.
I'd rather not play the stupid game of who had it worse. Do you want to start bringing in Jews who survived the Holocaust? We can start an incredibly stupid and destructive game, or you can acknowledge that college admissions is fraught and that we are trying to figure out a way to use college admissions to improve society as a whole.

What the fudge did stumble into? Newsflash, can you claim that ancestry?

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Anonymous wrote:Affirmative action does boost minority students into the top schools even if they are under qualified academically. That is the point— in the service of righting systemic and historical inequity. At the same time, is still rude and antisocial to point out that any individual person may have gotten in through AA.

Im South Asian, a liberal, and feel very mixed about AA, not only because it discriminates against Asian students but also because it creates the unfair dynamic where other minorities are seen as having gotten in with lower standards, which is unfair to those who are highly qualified. I think these students need a lesson in graciousness and how to cope with disappointments rather than more indoctrination in why AA is the only way.

Nobody is getting in that is under qualified academically. That is what people just can’t get.

That part!!!!!! People just convince themselves of whatever they must to sleep at night. Being underrepresented does not equal being under qualified. In fact, I would argue, most of us are overqualified but they are not prepared for that discussion! It can't be fathomed, their kid is not good enough on their own merit so they have to pull the race card.

People get it. Of course they do. But when students see average SATs and average GPAs for kids who get those spots, and then then see that the average SAT/GPA for URM/athletes/legacy is so much lower than the average admitted student, that's when people start arguing that the admissions are not fair. The terms "overqualified" and "underqualified" have no teeth.

According to the top colleges/university's in the US themselves, they are explicitly stating they are caring a lot LESS about SAT's/GPA's in general. They are turning down thousands of applicants with better than perfect grades and test scores! They are looking for much more! It's literally there on their website. And I've been in DC Privates for 6 years now and have NO idea what any other child's GPA or test scores are. So how are people so knowledgeable that grades and test scores are lower? Rhetorical.

It's not rhetorical - there is a ton of data.

Didn’t Harvard say some candidates were just boring? How would that change?

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Anonymous wrote:Affirmative action does boost minority students into the top schools even if they are under qualified academically. That is the point— in the service of righting systemic and historical inequity. At the same time, is still rude and antisocial to point out that any individual person may have gotten in through AA.

Im South Asian, a liberal, and feel very mixed about AA, not only because it discriminates against Asian students but also because it creates the unfair dynamic where other minorities are seen as having gotten in with lower standards, which is unfair to those who are highly qualified. I think these students need a lesson in graciousness and how to cope with disappointments rather than more indoctrination in why AA is the only way.

Thank you for your nuanced explanation. I'm more anti-affirmative action than you. I do not believe the children of today should be discriminated against because of the sins of a minority's forefathers. There are millions of people in America right now whose ancestors were nowhere near America during those benighted times, and who contribute economically and culturally to this great nation. Coming to the USA is not an implicit agreement to shoulder the guilt and shame of racist white slaveholders and Amerindian murderers, or anyone else who forced Chinese laborers to build railroads, or who interned Japanese families in concentration camps.

I greatly appreciate living here in a liberal part of the country, since it's less worse than living in a conservative part of the country, but from where I'm standing, Asians are perpetually discriminated against.

- east Asian

Well you fled your own country and came to a country that owed these people. Think of it like a lean on a house you volunteer to buy. You want the benefits of owning that house, then you need to pay off the debt.

First of all, it’s lien.

Second of all, this country was built on the free labor of East Asians too.

East Asians? Free Labor in the United States? I don’t think so. If anything East Asians hat slaves too on American soil. Two of the worst slave owners in history were Chang and Eng Bunker.

PP was talking about the railroads, dummy. And let's try to be more sophisticaed about the concept of "pay" here. Technically, railroad laborers were paid, but so were child laborers. We're talking about massive exploitation of a race.
No is is disagreeing that slavery was horrific and that its effects remain to this day, but it is a big leap to then say that because Afghan interpreters were paid by the US military, that they are therefore morally indebted to African slaves in the 1700s.

They are indebted, this country is and if they want to be citizens, they should do their part. And not only were Asians paid to work on the railroad, they just came to expand the railroad west. The railroads were already built with unpaid labor provided by black slaves.

Wow, that’s a lot of historical ignorance

You can attempt to change the narrative all you want, but anyone who researches the topic will see who built the railroad system in the United States and when the Chinese came over to work (for paid wages) to expand them west

Before the Civil War, slaves built railroads in the South. With reconstruction, former slaves were able to work on railways and were paid for their skills. The Chinese were paid extremely low wages and given the most dangerous jobs expanding the railways out west. Black people were paid for work on the railways, but the Chinese bore the brunt of the construction labor.
I'd rather not play the stupid game of who had it worse. Do you want to start bringing in Jews who survived the Holocaust? We can start an incredibly stupid and destructive game, or you can acknowledge that college admissions is fraught and that we are trying to figure out a way to use college admissions to improve society as a whole.

Yes, you are stupid for trying to compare Jews or Chinese to Blacks in this country who’s ancestors were slaves.

After a couple hundred years and a war they won for the Union, Blacks were paid low wages to work, Blacks were also in some cases still kept as slaves even after legislation was passed to free them. The Chinese voluntarily came here to work.

The Holocaust didn’t happen on US soil and the US was not responsible for the treatment that Jews endured during that 4 year period. Everything that happened to Jews during that 4year period, happened to Blacks on US soil for more than a 250 year period. And Jews got reparations.

You can’t say you want to improve society as a whole, if you won’t acknowledge what has been done to a people on US soil for more than 400 years, then look for other ways to victimize them because certain resources are being kept away from them. You are using white supremacist tactics.

I support affirmative action, but this is one of more the more racist posts I've seen on DCUM. Seems to me you simply have no sympathy for people of non-black races. Or for people in this country who are currently going through serious trauma for non-racial reasons. Your glib statement about Jewish suffering just makes you sound like a really bad and ignorant person. And seriously, anti-semitism only happened for 4 years?

It’s ridiculous. I don’t want to report it so PP reads it when they sober up

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Anonymous wrote:Affirmative action does boost minority students into the top schools even if they are under qualified academically. That is the point— in the service of righting systemic and historical inequity. At the same time, is still rude and antisocial to point out that any individual person may have gotten in through AA.

Im South Asian, a liberal, and feel very mixed about AA, not only because it discriminates against Asian students but also because it creates the unfair dynamic where other minorities are seen as having gotten in with lower standards, which is unfair to those who are highly qualified. I think these students need a lesson in graciousness and how to cope with disappointments rather than more indoctrination in why AA is the only way.

Thank you for your nuanced explanation. I'm more anti-affirmative action than you. I do not believe the children of today should be discriminated against because of the sins of a minority's forefathers. There are millions of people in America right now whose ancestors were nowhere near America during those benighted times, and who contribute economically and culturally to this great nation. Coming to the USA is not an implicit agreement to shoulder the guilt and shame of racist white slaveholders and Amerindian murderers, or anyone else who forced Chinese laborers to build railroads, or who interned Japanese families in concentration camps.

I greatly appreciate living here in a liberal part of the country, since it's less worse than living in a conservative part of the country, but from where I'm standing, Asians are perpetually discriminated against.

- east Asian

Well you fled your own country and came to a country that owed these people. Think of it like a lean on a house you volunteer to buy. You want the benefits of owning that house, then you need to pay off the debt.

Seriously? Do you really think that this country hasn't and doesn't discriminate against Asians? Obviously not the same as slavery and its continuing aftermath, but among other things, this country prohibited Asians from being citizens and from immigrating to the US for a long time. The immigration ban wasn't lifted until 1965.

And who were the main ones fighting so the immigration ban on Asians was lifted? Here is a hint, it happened during the Civil Rights Movement.

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Anonymous wrote:Affirmative action does boost minority students into the top schools even if they are under qualified academically. That is the point— in the service of righting systemic and historical inequity. At the same time, is still rude and antisocial to point out that any individual person may have gotten in through AA.

Im South Asian, a liberal, and feel very mixed about AA, not only because it discriminates against Asian students but also because it creates the unfair dynamic where other minorities are seen as having gotten in with lower standards, which is unfair to those who are highly qualified. I think these students need a lesson in graciousness and how to cope with disappointments rather than more indoctrination in why AA is the only way.

Thank you for your nuanced explanation. I'm more anti-affirmative action than you. I do not believe the children of today should be discriminated against because of the sins of a minority's forefathers. There are millions of people in America right now whose ancestors were nowhere near America during those benighted times, and who contribute economically and culturally to this great nation. Coming to the USA is not an implicit agreement to shoulder the guilt and shame of racist white slaveholders and Amerindian murderers, or anyone else who forced Chinese laborers to build railroads, or who interned Japanese families in concentration camps.

I greatly appreciate living here in a liberal part of the country, since it's less worse than living in a conservative part of the country, but from where I'm standing, Asians are perpetually discriminated against.

- east Asian

Well you fled your own country and came to a country that owed these people. Think of it like a lean on a house you volunteer to buy. You want the benefits of owning that house, then you need to pay off the debt.

First of all, it’s lien.

Second of all, this country was built on the free labor of East Asians too.

East Asians? Free Labor in the United States? I don’t think so. If anything East Asians hat slaves too on American soil. Two of the worst slave owners in history were Chang and Eng Bunker.

PP was talking about the railroads, dummy. And let's try to be more sophisticaed about the concept of "pay" here. Technically, railroad laborers were paid, but so were child laborers. We're talking about massive exploitation of a race.
No is is disagreeing that slavery was horrific and that its effects remain to this day, but it is a big leap to then say that because Afghan interpreters were paid by the US military, that they are therefore morally indebted to African slaves in the 1700s.

They are indebted, this country is and if they want to be citizens, they should do their part. And not only were Asians paid to work on the railroad, they just came to expand the railroad west. The railroads were already built with unpaid labor provided by black slaves.

Wow, that’s a lot of historical ignorance

You can attempt to change the narrative all you want, but anyone who researches the topic will see who built the railroad system in the United States and when the Chinese came over to work (for paid wages) to expand them west

Before the Civil War, slaves built railroads in the South. With reconstruction, former slaves were able to work on railways and were paid for their skills. The Chinese were paid extremely low wages and given the most dangerous jobs expanding the railways out west. Black people were paid for work on the railways, but the Chinese bore the brunt of the construction labor.
I'd rather not play the stupid game of who had it worse. Do you want to start bringing in Jews who survived the Holocaust? We can start an incredibly stupid and destructive game, or you can acknowledge that college admissions is fraught and that we are trying to figure out a way to use college admissions to improve society as a whole.

Yes, you are stupid for trying to compare Jews or Chinese to Blacks in this country who’s ancestors were slaves.

After a couple hundred years and a war they won for the Union, Blacks were paid low wages to work, Blacks were also in some cases still kept as slaves even after legislation was passed to free them. The Chinese voluntarily came here to work.

The Holocaust didn’t happen on US soil and the US was not responsible for the treatment that Jews endured during that 4 year period. Everything that happened to Jews during that 4year period, happened to Blacks on US soil for more than a 250 year period. And Jews got reparations.

You can’t say you want to improve society as a whole, if you won’t acknowledge what has been done to a people on US soil for more than 400 years, then look for other ways to victimize them because certain resources are being kept away from them. You are using white supremacist tactics.

I support affirmative action, but this is one of more the more racist posts I've seen on DCUM. Seems to me you simply have no sympathy for people of non-black races. Or for people in this country who are currently going through serious trauma for non-racial reasons. Your glib statement about Jewish suffering just makes you sound like a really bad and ignorant person. And seriously, anti-semitism only happened for 4 years?

There you go with your white supremacist tactics, trying to change the narrative. Nobody said antisemitism only lasted 4 years. The Holocaust was 4 years.