Go for a run if you don't get into your choice college.

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OMG. I wish you could all get kicked off. You’re nuts.

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Anonymous wrote:Affirmative action does boost minority students into the top schools even if they are under qualified academically. That is the point— in the service of righting systemic and historical inequity. At the same time, is still rude and antisocial to point out that any individual person may have gotten in through AA.

Im South Asian, a liberal, and feel very mixed about AA, not only because it discriminates against Asian students but also because it creates the unfair dynamic where other minorities are seen as having gotten in with lower standards, which is unfair to those who are highly qualified. I think these students need a lesson in graciousness and how to cope with disappointments rather than more indoctrination in why AA is the only way.

Nobody is getting in that is under qualified academically. That is what people just can’t get.

That part!!!!!! People just convince themselves of whatever they must to sleep at night. Being underrepresented does not equal being under qualified. In fact, I would argue, most of us are overqualified but they are not prepared for that discussion! It can't be fathomed, their kid is not good enough on their own merit so they have to pull the race card.

People get it. Of course they do. But when students see average SATs and average GPAs for kids who get those spots, and then then see that the average SAT/GPA for URM/athletes/legacy is so much lower than the average admitted student, that's when people start arguing that the admissions are not fair. The terms "overqualified" and "underqualified" have no teeth.

According to the top colleges/university's in the US themselves, they are explicitly stating they are caring a lot LESS about SAT's/GPA's in general. They are turning down thousands of applicants with better than perfect grades and test scores! They are looking for much more! It's literally there on their website. And I've been in DC Privates for 6 years now and have NO idea what any other child's GPA or test scores are. So how are people so knowledgeable that grades and test scores are lower? Rhetorical.

It's not rhetorical - there is a ton of data.

Didn’t Harvard say some candidates were just boring? How would that change?

You've made your feelings about Asians and Asian Americans quite clear. Is this a pervasive attitude at the school or one horrible parent?

[Anonymous]

This thread is really eye opening. We always suspect that people think like this racist poster but people don't usually say it out loud like this.

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Anonymous wrote:Affirmative action does boost minority students into the top schools even if they are under qualified academically. That is the point— in the service of righting systemic and historical inequity. At the same time, is still rude and antisocial to point out that any individual person may have gotten in through AA.

Im South Asian, a liberal, and feel very mixed about AA, not only because it discriminates against Asian students but also because it creates the unfair dynamic where other minorities are seen as having gotten in with lower standards, which is unfair to those who are highly qualified. I think these students need a lesson in graciousness and how to cope with disappointments rather than more indoctrination in why AA is the only way.

Nobody is getting in that is under qualified academically. That is what people just can’t get.

This is such a cliche tautology. Yes the colleges are deciding who is qualified so by definition no one who is admitted is unqualified. Okay fine but that's not enough for anyone who is actually thinking critically about anything.

It is actually enough. Qualified is a group of attributes. Everyone want their specific top attribute to be the one colleges use to define qualified. The fact is the URMs getting in are qualified, just as qualified, possibly more. Depends! Many qualified people don’t get in, nobody unqualified gets in.

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Anonymous wrote:What an asinine circlejerk. If you go to GDS you’re already 100 steps ahead of kids at Coolidge or Anascotia.

That's not what this is about. It's about their own classmates, URMs privileged enough to be at GDS

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Anonymous wrote:What an asinine circlejerk. If you go to GDS you’re already 100 steps ahead of kids at Coolidge or Anascotia.

That's not what this is about. It's about their own classmates, URMs privileged enough to be at GDS

So every student at GDS has equal privilege?

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Anonymous wrote:What an asinine circlejerk. If you go to GDS you’re already 100 steps ahead of kids at Coolidge or Anascotia.

That's not what this is about. It's about their own classmates, URMs privileged enough to be at GDS

So every student at GDS has equal privilege?

Do you have privilege calculator???

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Anonymous wrote:Affirmative action does boost minority students into the top schools even if they are under qualified academically. That is the point— in the service of righting systemic and historical inequity. At the same time, is still rude and antisocial to point out that any individual person may have gotten in through AA.

Im South Asian, a liberal, and feel very mixed about AA, not only because it discriminates against Asian students but also because it creates the unfair dynamic where other minorities are seen as having gotten in with lower standards, which is unfair to those who are highly qualified. I think these students need a lesson in graciousness and how to cope with disappointments rather than more indoctrination in why AA is the only way.

Nobody is getting in that is under qualified academically. That is what people just can’t get.

That part!!!!!! People just convince themselves of whatever they must to sleep at night. Being underrepresented does not equal being under qualified. In fact, I would argue, most of us are overqualified but they are not prepared for that discussion! It can't be fathomed, their kid is not good enough on their own merit so they have to pull the race card.

People get it. Of course they do. But when students see average SATs and average GPAs for kids who get those spots, and then then see that the average SAT/GPA for URM/athletes/legacy is so much lower than the average admitted student, that's when people start arguing that the admissions are not fair. The terms "overqualified" and "underqualified" have no teeth.

According to the top colleges/university's in the US themselves, they are explicitly stating they are caring a lot LESS about SAT's/GPA's in general. They are turning down thousands of applicants with better than perfect grades and test scores! They are looking for much more! It's literally there on their website. And I've been in DC Privates for 6 years now and have NO idea what any other child's GPA or test scores are. So how are people so knowledgeable that grades and test scores are lower? Rhetorical.

It's not rhetorical - there is a ton of data.

Didn’t Harvard say some candidates were just boring? How would that change?

Yes their internal admissions officers just happened to find Asian students more boring, statistically on average. The same students that the alum interviewers whowt them ranked as on par with other racial groups.

What are you even asking?

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Anonymous wrote:What an asinine circlejerk. If you go to GDS you’re already 100 steps ahead of kids at Coolidge or Anascotia.

That's not what this is about. It's about their own classmates, URMs privileged enough to be at GDS

So every student at GDS has equal privilege?

The point is that the article on OP and the assembly were not in the abstract about AA. It was students' feelings and statements about their classmates.

I think the earlier posts about whether there is a way to express these feelings and have a nuanced discussion were interesting. But this chain probably shows that you really can't.

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Anonymous wrote:Race is a “hook” for college admissions just like being an athlete or from an under-represented part of the country. Unless you are Asian, but that is another thread . . .

Or being rich enough to go to GDS.

Yeah, not these days. Race or being black is right there at the top. We all know it and so do you.

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Anonymous wrote:What an asinine circlejerk. If you go to GDS you’re already 100 steps ahead of kids at Coolidge or Anascotia.

That's not what this is about. It's about their own classmates, URMs privileged enough to be at GDS

So every student at GDS has equal privilege?

The point is that the article on OP and the assembly were not in the abstract about AA. It was students' feelings and statements about their classmates.

I think the earlier posts about whether there is a way to express these feelings and have a nuanced discussion were interesting. But this chain probably shows that you really can't.

Agree.

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Anonymous wrote:What an asinine circlejerk. If you go to GDS you’re already 100 steps ahead of kids at Coolidge or Anascotia.

That's not what this is about. It's about their own classmates, URMs privileged enough to be at GDS

So every student at GDS has equal privilege?

Do you have privilege calculator???

It's probably white, the color of the privilege calculator that is. lol.

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Anonymous wrote:Affirmative action does boost minority students into the top schools even if they are under qualified academically. That is the point— in the service of righting systemic and historical inequity. At the same time, is still rude and antisocial to point out that any individual person may have gotten in through AA.

Im South Asian, a liberal, and feel very mixed about AA, not only because it discriminates against Asian students but also because it creates the unfair dynamic where other minorities are seen as having gotten in with lower standards, which is unfair to those who are highly qualified. I think these students need a lesson in graciousness and how to cope with disappointments rather than more indoctrination in why AA is the only way.

Thank you for your nuanced explanation. I'm more anti-affirmative action than you. I do not believe the children of today should be discriminated against because of the sins of a minority's forefathers. There are millions of people in America right now whose ancestors were nowhere near America during those benighted times, and who contribute economically and culturally to this great nation. Coming to the USA is not an implicit agreement to shoulder the guilt and shame of racist white slaveholders and Amerindian murderers, or anyone else who forced Chinese laborers to build railroads, or who interned Japanese families in concentration camps.

I greatly appreciate living here in a liberal part of the country, since it's less worse than living in a conservative part of the country, but from where I'm standing, Asians are perpetually discriminated against.

- east Asian

Well you fled your own country and came to a country that owed these people. Think of it like a lean on a house you volunteer to buy. You want the benefits of owning that house, then you need to pay off the debt.

First of all, it’s lien.

Second of all, this country was built on the free labor of East Asians too.

East Asians? Free Labor in the United States? I don’t think so. If anything East Asians hat slaves too on American soil. Two of the worst slave owners in history were Chang and Eng Bunker.

PP was talking about the railroads, dummy. And let's try to be more sophisticaed about the concept of "pay" here. Technically, railroad laborers were paid, but so were child laborers. We're talking about massive exploitation of a race.
No is is disagreeing that slavery was horrific and that its effects remain to this day, but it is a big leap to then say that because Afghan interpreters were paid by the US military, that they are therefore morally indebted to African slaves in the 1700s.

They are indebted, this country is and if they want to be citizens, they should do their part. And not only were Asians paid to work on the railroad, they just came to expand the railroad west. The railroads were already built with unpaid labor provided by black slaves.

Wow, that’s a lot of historical ignorance

You can attempt to change the narrative all you want, but anyone who researches the topic will see who built the railroad system in the United States and when the Chinese came over to work (for paid wages) to expand them west

Before the Civil War, slaves built railroads in the South. With reconstruction, former slaves were able to work on railways and were paid for their skills. The Chinese were paid extremely low wages and given the most dangerous jobs expanding the railways out west. Black people were paid for work on the railways, but the Chinese bore the brunt of the construction labor.
I'd rather not play the stupid game of who had it worse. Do you want to start bringing in Jews who survived the Holocaust? We can start an incredibly stupid and destructive game, or you can acknowledge that college admissions is fraught and that we are trying to figure out a way to use college admissions to improve society as a whole.

Yes, you are stupid for trying to compare Jews or Chinese to Blacks in this country who’s ancestors were slaves.

After a couple hundred years and a war they won for the Union, Blacks were paid low wages to work, Blacks were also in some cases still kept as slaves even after legislation was passed to free them. The Chinese voluntarily came here to work.

The Holocaust didn’t happen on US soil and the US was not responsible for the treatment that Jews endured during that 4 year period. Everything that happened to Jews during that 4year period, happened to Blacks on US soil for more than a 250 year period. And Jews got reparations.

You can’t say you want to improve society as a whole, if you won’t acknowledge what has been done to a people on US soil for more than 400 years, then look for other ways to victimize them because certain resources are being kept away from them. You are using white supremacist tactics.

I support affirmative action, but this is one of more the more racist posts I've seen on DCUM. Seems to me you simply have no sympathy for people of non-black races. Or for people in this country who are currently going through serious trauma for non-racial reasons. Your glib statement about Jewish suffering just makes you sound like a really bad and ignorant person. And seriously, anti-semitism only happened for 4 years?

There you go with your white supremacist tactics, trying to change the narrative. Nobody said antisemitism only lasted 4 years. The Holocaust was 4 years.

You need to stop talking about the Holocaust right now.

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Anonymous wrote:Affirmative action does boost minority students into the top schools even if they are under qualified academically. That is the point— in the service of righting systemic and historical inequity. At the same time, is still rude and antisocial to point out that any individual person may have gotten in through AA.

Im South Asian, a liberal, and feel very mixed about AA, not only because it discriminates against Asian students but also because it creates the unfair dynamic where other minorities are seen as having gotten in with lower standards, which is unfair to those who are highly qualified. I think these students need a lesson in graciousness and how to cope with disappointments rather than more indoctrination in why AA is the only way.

Thank you for your nuanced explanation. I'm more anti-affirmative action than you. I do not believe the children of today should be discriminated against because of the sins of a minority's forefathers. There are millions of people in America right now whose ancestors were nowhere near America during those benighted times, and who contribute economically and culturally to this great nation. Coming to the USA is not an implicit agreement to shoulder the guilt and shame of racist white slaveholders and Amerindian murderers, or anyone else who forced Chinese laborers to build railroads, or who interned Japanese families in concentration camps.

I greatly appreciate living here in a liberal part of the country, since it's less worse than living in a conservative part of the country, but from where I'm standing, Asians are perpetually discriminated against.

- east Asian

Well you fled your own country and came to a country that owed these people. Think of it like a lean on a house you volunteer to buy. You want the benefits of owning that house, then you need to pay off the debt.

First of all, it’s lien.

Second of all, this country was built on the free labor of East Asians too.

East Asians? Free Labor in the United States? I don’t think so. If anything East Asians hat slaves too on American soil. Two of the worst slave owners in history were Chang and Eng Bunker.

PP was talking about the railroads, dummy. And let's try to be more sophisticaed about the concept of "pay" here. Technically, railroad laborers were paid, but so were child laborers. We're talking about massive exploitation of a race.
No is is disagreeing that slavery was horrific and that its effects remain to this day, but it is a big leap to then say that because Afghan interpreters were paid by the US military, that they are therefore morally indebted to African slaves in the 1700s.

They are indebted, this country is and if they want to be citizens, they should do their part. And not only were Asians paid to work on the railroad, they just came to expand the railroad west. The railroads were already built with unpaid labor provided by black slaves.

Wow, that’s a lot of historical ignorance

You can attempt to change the narrative all you want, but anyone who researches the topic will see who built the railroad system in the United States and when the Chinese came over to work (for paid wages) to expand them west

Before the Civil War, slaves built railroads in the South. With reconstruction, former slaves were able to work on railways and were paid for their skills. The Chinese were paid extremely low wages and given the most dangerous jobs expanding the railways out west. Black people were paid for work on the railways, but the Chinese bore the brunt of the construction labor.
I'd rather not play the stupid game of who had it worse. Do you want to start bringing in Jews who survived the Holocaust? We can start an incredibly stupid and destructive game, or you can acknowledge that college admissions is fraught and that we are trying to figure out a way to use college admissions to improve society as a whole.

Yes, you are stupid for trying to compare Jews or Chinese to Blacks in this country who’s ancestors were slaves.

After a couple hundred years and a war they won for the Union, Blacks were paid low wages to work, Blacks were also in some cases still kept as slaves even after legislation was passed to free them. The Chinese voluntarily came here to work.

The Holocaust didn’t happen on US soil and the US was not responsible for the treatment that Jews endured during that 4 year period. Everything that happened to Jews during that 4year period, happened to Blacks on US soil for more than a 250 year period. And Jews got reparations.

You can’t say you want to improve society as a whole, if you won’t acknowledge what has been done to a people on US soil for more than 400 years, then look for other ways to victimize them because certain resources are being kept away from them. You are using white supremacist tactics.

I support affirmative action, but this is one of more the more racist posts I've seen on DCUM. Seems to me you simply have no sympathy for people of non-black races. Or for people in this country who are currently going through serious trauma for non-racial reasons. Your glib statement about Jewish suffering just makes you sound like a really bad and ignorant person. And seriously, anti-semitism only happened for 4 years?

There you go with your white supremacist tactics, trying to change the narrative. Nobody said antisemitism only lasted 4 years. The Holocaust was 4 years.

Oh, excuse me. I guess that makes it okay that you downplayed the suffering of the Jews. And somehow I guess I'm a white supremacist though I am not white and support affirmative action.

If you want to see an ignorant and prejudiced person, go look in the mirror. If you have any decency, then sober up and reflect on what you wrote above, and how hurtful and insulting it might be to some others. There is no way you can redeem yourself after such ignorant and insulting remarks if you continue to dig in.

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Anonymous wrote:Affirmative action does boost minority students into the top schools even if they are under qualified academically. That is the point— in the service of righting systemic and historical inequity. At the same time, is still rude and antisocial to point out that any individual person may have gotten in through AA.

Im South Asian, a liberal, and feel very mixed about AA, not only because it discriminates against Asian students but also because it creates the unfair dynamic where other minorities are seen as having gotten in with lower standards, which is unfair to those who are highly qualified. I think these students need a lesson in graciousness and how to cope with disappointments rather than more indoctrination in why AA is the only way.

Thank you for your nuanced explanation. I'm more anti-affirmative action than you. I do not believe the children of today should be discriminated against because of the sins of a minority's forefathers. There are millions of people in America right now whose ancestors were nowhere near America during those benighted times, and who contribute economically and culturally to this great nation. Coming to the USA is not an implicit agreement to shoulder the guilt and shame of racist white slaveholders and Amerindian murderers, or anyone else who forced Chinese laborers to build railroads, or who interned Japanese families in concentration camps.

I greatly appreciate living here in a liberal part of the country, since it's less worse than living in a conservative part of the country, but from where I'm standing, Asians are perpetually discriminated against.

- east Asian

Well you fled your own country and came to a country that owed these people. Think of it like a lean on a house you volunteer to buy. You want the benefits of owning that house, then you need to pay off the debt.

First of all, it’s lien.

Second of all, this country was built on the free labor of East Asians too.

East Asians? Free Labor in the United States? I don’t think so. If anything East Asians hat slaves too on American soil. Two of the worst slave owners in history were Chang and Eng Bunker.

PP was talking about the railroads, dummy. And let's try to be more sophisticaed about the concept of "pay" here. Technically, railroad laborers were paid, but so were child laborers. We're talking about massive exploitation of a race.
No is is disagreeing that slavery was horrific and that its effects remain to this day, but it is a big leap to then say that because Afghan interpreters were paid by the US military, that they are therefore morally indebted to African slaves in the 1700s.

They are indebted, this country is and if they want to be citizens, they should do their part. And not only were Asians paid to work on the railroad, they just came to expand the railroad west. The railroads were already built with unpaid labor provided by black slaves.

Wow, that’s a lot of historical ignorance

You can attempt to change the narrative all you want, but anyone who researches the topic will see who built the railroad system in the United States and when the Chinese came over to work (for paid wages) to expand them west

Before the Civil War, slaves built railroads in the South. With reconstruction, former slaves were able to work on railways and were paid for their skills. The Chinese were paid extremely low wages and given the most dangerous jobs expanding the railways out west. Black people were paid for work on the railways, but the Chinese bore the brunt of the construction labor.
I'd rather not play the stupid game of who had it worse. Do you want to start bringing in Jews who survived the Holocaust? We can start an incredibly stupid and destructive game, or you can acknowledge that college admissions is fraught and that we are trying to figure out a way to use college admissions to improve society as a whole.

Yes, you are stupid for trying to compare Jews or Chinese to Blacks in this country who’s ancestors were slaves.

After a couple hundred years and a war they won for the Union, Blacks were paid low wages to work, Blacks were also in some cases still kept as slaves even after legislation was passed to free them. The Chinese voluntarily came here to work.

The Holocaust didn’t happen on US soil and the US was not responsible for the treatment that Jews endured during that 4 year period. Everything that happened to Jews during that 4year period, happened to Blacks on US soil for more than a 250 year period. And Jews got reparations.

You can’t say you want to improve society as a whole, if you won’t acknowledge what has been done to a people on US soil for more than 400 years, then look for other ways to victimize them because certain resources are being kept away from them. You are using white supremacist tactics.

I support affirmative action, but this is one of more the more racist posts I've seen on DCUM. Seems to me you simply have no sympathy for people of non-black races. Or for people in this country who are currently going through serious trauma for non-racial reasons. Your glib statement about Jewish suffering just makes you sound like a really bad and ignorant person. And seriously, anti-semitism only happened for 4 years?

There you go with your white supremacist tactics, trying to change the narrative. Nobody said antisemitism only lasted 4 years. The Holocaust was 4 years.

You need to stop talking about the Holocaust right now.

I suspect and hope the PP above is a troll. Now that I think about it, I think I may have been suckered into outrage by a troll seeking to stir outrage.