Won’t use the word “girl”

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Anonymous wrote:Men can’t get pregnant.

A woman is an adult human female.

These are controversial sayings now.

If you already know that the pregnant person is female human, then why would saying "person" be a problem. What information does "girl" or "woman" add?

Then why would it bother you if you did say girl?

The person saying “person” is the OP’s daughter. Some on this thread (like me) are hoping the pregnant person has all the help needed. I mean wouldn’t that be what the average parent thinks? Somehow it seems to bother people like you and OP that her daughter said “pregnant person” rather than “pregnant girl”. In reverse, if the OP had come on the board and said her daughter had talked about the pregnant woman at school, nobody would have cared. And the thread might have proceeded down the path of teen pregnancy. The only people making a big deal out of this are you.

It obviously bothers the op or they wouldn't have started it. And I can assure you that I am not the only person who is bothered by it. Tell me you are gen z without saying you are. You are policing my word choice just because you can and I am not going to lie down and take it.

Who is policing your word choice? A girl says “pregnant person” to her mom. Somehow you are being canceled by this? You and the OP are free to call the pregnant person a girl.

You are being obtuse. Npr is embracing pregnant people..people who menstate...this is how it starts.

I truly don’t get your issue. If there is a shift in the way that younger people are using language, why is this such a big deal for you. Go ahead and say “pregnant girl” if you want.

A non political example. My kid says “that’s sus”. I suspect your kid might say it too. Do you get stressed out about that too or just accept that your kids have a vernacular you don’t get? In some ways, this is no different.

This is bigger than just one generation use of slang. Nobody is complaining about "that's sus" but, when your kid (who is a young adult) tells you that you are pressured to say pregnant person how is that good for society? Not one person has said why a girl who is pregnant ( and I assume identifies as a girl) can't just be called that. For as long as societies have been around and there have been loads of pregnant girls no one has made a big fuss and now it is "people who menstrate" "pregnant people" The word man has not being diminished only girl/women. Why is that?

Again, to all those who say "pregnant people" would you correct someone who said pregnant girl or would you say nothing. Why does the word girl bother you so much? When I ask this one question...no one ever answers but, they ask why I am bothered by it.

I say pregnant person/people if I'm speaking generally or am not personally acquainted with the person in question's gender identity. I would not correct someone else if they said "pregnant girl" because I don't go around correcting other people's speech patterns. I have nothing against the word girl, or woman for that matter. I identify as a woman (and am cis if that's relevant).

We haven't called pregnant teens "pregnant girls" for all that long though -- it used to "girls who got in trouble" or "in the family way" or a lot of ruder things. Isn't it funny how language evolves?

You are making life way too complicated. I am assuming op and her dd were in their own home? Now how would this person be offended if the dd said "there is a pregnant girl in my class" and the person they were talking about was not there? Now if this person did not want to identify as a girl and she you used the wrong pronouns for her than yes that would be offensive. But, saying hey there is a pregnant girl at my school should not cause people to fear being canceled.

And I very much doubt that if op's dd said this to her peers that they would be silent.

I think you’re confused. I never said I habitually used pregnant person because I was afraid of being canceled or worried about offending someone. I use it because it is factually accurate and easy to say. You and OP are assuming tons of people are offended by the phrase “pregnant girl” but all I see on this thread are people deeply offended by the phrase “pregnant person.”

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Anonymous wrote:Do the life experiences of transgendered persons differ fundamentally from those of cis women and of cis men? I believe they are targeted more harshly and deserve more protection.

Start your own thread. This isn't relevant.

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Anonymous wrote:There is nothing incorrect about saying “pregnant person” or whatever, so what is the issue? Be glad your daughter is talking to you. Be sure to keep parsing and criticizing the words she chooses, and see where that gets you.

The majority of men and women in our country know it's absurd to talk about pregnant people and individuals instead of girls, women, mothers, moms, etc.

I mean, sure. Hold that line. Question your teen and make her feel wrong and stupid, or that she can’t talk to you. Good luck with that! Be sure to make this a point of contention, and see exactly how far it gets you. Some people value communication with their child. And apparently some would rather be “right” about every single word chosen than have a relationship with their child. Pick your lane. Good luck.

It is useful to teach their children truth. So yeah, I try to hold the line on that.

How is it not “true” that there is a person DD knows who is pregnant? Show me what is inaccurate. Is the pregnant student not a human being, not a person? Is it a pregnant AI bot? Do tell.

Anyway, when my kids talk to me, I don’t challenge them over words if I understand the meaning. There is not one inaccurate thing about pregnant person.

Are you serious? What evidence do you have that society is just now recognizing girls and women are people. And it would be great to show us where society saying pregnant girls/women are not people. This is insanity. For thousands of years this has not be a problem and you are making a mountain out of a mole hill.

As far as "challenging" your children do you not ever discuss real issues? There is nothing wrong with having a discussion about your viewpoints and one can be respectful.

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Anonymous wrote:Men can’t get pregnant.

A woman is an adult human female.

These are controversial sayings now.

If you already know that the pregnant person is female human, then why would saying "person" be a problem. What information does "girl" or "woman" add?

Then why would it bother you if you did say girl?

The person saying “person” is the OP’s daughter. Some on this thread (like me) are hoping the pregnant person has all the help needed. I mean wouldn’t that be what the average parent thinks? Somehow it seems to bother people like you and OP that her daughter said “pregnant person” rather than “pregnant girl”. In reverse, if the OP had come on the board and said her daughter had talked about the pregnant woman at school, nobody would have cared. And the thread might have proceeded down the path of teen pregnancy. The only people making a big deal out of this are you.

It obviously bothers the op or they wouldn't have started it. And I can assure you that I am not the only person who is bothered by it. Tell me you are gen z without saying you are. You are policing my word choice just because you can and I am not going to lie down and take it.

Who is policing your word choice? A girl says “pregnant person” to her mom. Somehow you are being canceled by this? You and the OP are free to call the pregnant person a girl.

You are being obtuse. Npr is embracing pregnant people..people who menstate...this is how it starts.

I truly don’t get your issue. If there is a shift in the way that younger people are using language, why is this such a big deal for you. Go ahead and say “pregnant girl” if you want.

A non political example. My kid says “that’s sus”. I suspect your kid might say it too. Do you get stressed out about that too or just accept that your kids have a vernacular you don’t get? In some ways, this is no different.

This is bigger than just one generation use of slang. Nobody is complaining about "that's sus" but, when your kid (who is a young adult) tells you that you are pressured to say pregnant person how is that good for society? Not one person has said why a girl who is pregnant ( and I assume identifies as a girl) can't just be called that. For as long as societies have been around and there have been loads of pregnant girls no one has made a big fuss and now it is "people who menstrate" "pregnant people" The word man has not being diminished only girl/women. Why is that?

Again, to all those who say "pregnant people" would you correct someone who said pregnant girl or would you say nothing. Why does the word girl bother you so much? When I ask this one question...no one ever answers but, they ask why I am bothered by it.

I say pregnant person/people if I'm speaking generally or am not personally acquainted with the person in question's gender identity. I would not correct someone else if they said "pregnant girl" because I don't go around correcting other people's speech patterns. I have nothing against the word girl, or woman for that matter. I identify as a woman (and am cis if that's relevant).

We haven't called pregnant teens "pregnant girls" for all that long though -- it used to "girls who got in trouble" or "in the family way" or a lot of ruder things. Isn't it funny how language evolves?

You are making life way too complicated. I am assuming op and her dd were in their own home? Now how would this person be offended if the dd said "there is a pregnant girl in my class" and the person they were talking about was not there? Now if this person did not want to identify as a girl and she you used the wrong pronouns for her than yes that would be offensive. But, saying hey there is a pregnant girl at my school should not cause people to fear being canceled.

And I very much doubt that if op's dd said this to her peers that they would be silent.

I think you’re confused. I never said I habitually used pregnant person because I was afraid of being canceled or worried about offending someone. I use it because it is factually accurate and easy to say. You and OP are assuming tons of people are offended by the phrase “pregnant girl” but all I see on this thread are people deeply offended by the phrase “pregnant person.”

I think you are insulting. Pregnant girl is accurate as well.

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Anonymous wrote:Men can’t get pregnant.

A woman is an adult human female.

These are controversial sayings now.

If you already know that the pregnant person is female human, then why would saying "person" be a problem. What information does "girl" or "woman" add?

Then why would it bother you if you did say girl?

No one on this thread has been bothered by girl. They've either had a fit about person, or they have said that having a fit about someone using the word person is stupid.

The only word that people on this thread seem to be bothered by is person. Why does that word bother you?

You are wrong. People use the term "pregnant person" because they don't want to offend anyone. You know that. Answer my question first. Why does the wod girl bother you. Would you say "a person in my class has testicular cancer" OR would you say "a boy in my class has testicular cancer"

NP. The words “girl” and “women” do not bother me. I hear and say those things in conversation. I am also completely unbothered by the word “person.” I don’t care which word is used. The point of language to convey meaning, and when someone is described as a “pregnant person” or a “pregnant woman”…I got the meaning, and I move on with my day. For anyone to bring conversation to a screeching halt over “person” is beyond absurd and dramatic.

It isn't absurd because women have been unrepresented in medical trials. If we eliminate "women" and "girls" than there will be no change. Well, we study "people" who have heart attacks. Even though we know women have different symptoms and aren't treated as seriously. Women are "hysterical" That is why the word women/girls matter.

You're worried that if a teenage girl uses the word "person" to describe her classmate, that it will lead to women being underrepresented in clinical trial involving pregnancy?

It is a trend..I have heard " pregnant people" on npr so it is larger than this one GIRL!

Men can carry and birth children too.

male seahorses, you are correct. Humans not so much.

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Anonymous wrote:If the preferred pronoun is “it,” then wouldn’t you use “person” in place of “girl?”

Or "them?"

That is very denigrating toward any girl or woman. My female dog is "it".

My female dog is she/her.

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Anonymous wrote:So, someone used a specific word to apply to a specific person, and you assume that they won't use another word at all?

Should I assume your whole generation won't use the world "person" if you choose to use the word "girl" to refer to someone?

I think there is a general trend towards using a gender neutral term, unless specifically talking about someone's gender. So, I say "server" instead of "waitress", and "firefighter" instead of "fireman" even when I am pretty confident I knew that the server was female and the firefighter was male. I might ask "where do you buy shoes for a toddler?" even though I know whether my specific toddler is a little boy or a little girl. So, maybe it was just carrying this habit over to the pregnant person. Or maybe since they are talking about a specific person, they are using the word that person prefers.

We say firefighter instead of fireman because nobody says "firewoman".

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Anonymous wrote:There is nothing incorrect about saying “pregnant person” or whatever, so what is the issue? Be glad your daughter is talking to you. Be sure to keep parsing and criticizing the words she chooses, and see where that gets you.

The majority of men and women in our country know it's absurd to talk about pregnant people and individuals instead of girls, women, mothers, moms, etc.

I mean, sure. Hold that line. Question your teen and make her feel wrong and stupid, or that she can’t talk to you. Good luck with that! Be sure to make this a point of contention, and see exactly how far it gets you. Some people value communication with their child. And apparently some would rather be “right” about every single word chosen than have a relationship with their child. Pick your lane. Good luck.

It is useful to teach their children truth. So yeah, I try to hold the line on that.

How is it not “true” that there is a person DD knows who is pregnant? Show me what is inaccurate. Is the pregnant student not a human being, not a person? Is it a pregnant AI bot? Do tell.

Anyway, when my kids talk to me, I don’t challenge them over words if I understand the meaning. There is not one inaccurate thing about pregnant person.

Except "pregnant person" implies both sexes can get pregnant, which is clearly incorrect. It's far more accurate to say pregnant woman or girl.

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Anonymous wrote:Men can’t get pregnant.

A woman is an adult human female.

These are controversial sayings now.

If you already know that the pregnant person is female human, then why would saying "person" be a problem. What information does "girl" or "woman" add?

Then why would it bother you if you did say girl?

No one on this thread has been bothered by girl. They've either had a fit about person, or they have said that having a fit about someone using the word person is stupid.

The only word that people on this thread seem to be bothered by is person. Why does that word bother you?

You are wrong. People use the term "pregnant person" because they don't want to offend anyone. You know that. Answer my question first. Why does the wod girl bother you. Would you say "a person in my class has testicular cancer" OR would you say "a boy in my class has testicular cancer"

NP. The words “girl” and “women” do not bother me. I hear and say those things in conversation. I am also completely unbothered by the word “person.” I don’t care which word is used. The point of language to convey meaning, and when someone is described as a “pregnant person” or a “pregnant woman”…I got the meaning, and I move on with my day. For anyone to bring conversation to a screeching halt over “person” is beyond absurd and dramatic.

It isn't absurd because women have been unrepresented in medical trials. If we eliminate "women" and "girls" than there will be no change. Well, we study "people" who have heart attacks. Even though we know women have different symptoms and aren't treated as seriously. Women are "hysterical" That is why the word women/girls matter.

You're worried that if a teenage girl uses the word "person" to describe her classmate, that it will lead to women being underrepresented in clinical trial involving pregnancy?

It is a trend..I have heard " pregnant people" on npr so it is larger than this one GIRL!

Men can carry and birth children too.

male seahorses, you are correct. Humans not so much.

Another MAGA-idiot has joined the thread. It’s not just men, you bigoted moron! Numerous genders can give birth, you disgusting transphobic idiot!!

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Anonymous wrote:Men can’t get pregnant.

A woman is an adult human female.

These are controversial sayings now.

If you already know that the pregnant person is female human, then why would saying "person" be a problem. What information does "girl" or "woman" add?

Then why would it bother you if you did say girl?

No one on this thread has been bothered by girl. They've either had a fit about person, or they have said that having a fit about someone using the word person is stupid.

The only word that people on this thread seem to be bothered by is person. Why does that word bother you?

You are wrong. People use the term "pregnant person" because they don't want to offend anyone. You know that. Answer my question first. Why does the wod girl bother you. Would you say "a person in my class has testicular cancer" OR would you say "a boy in my class has testicular cancer"

NP. The words “girl” and “women” do not bother me. I hear and say those things in conversation. I am also completely unbothered by the word “person.” I don’t care which word is used. The point of language to convey meaning, and when someone is described as a “pregnant person” or a “pregnant woman”…I got the meaning, and I move on with my day. For anyone to bring conversation to a screeching halt over “person” is beyond absurd and dramatic.

It isn't absurd because women have been unrepresented in medical trials. If we eliminate "women" and "girls" than there will be no change. Well, we study "people" who have heart attacks. Even though we know women have different symptoms and aren't treated as seriously. Women are "hysterical" That is why the word women/girls matter.

You're worried that if a teenage girl uses the word "person" to describe her classmate, that it will lead to women being underrepresented in clinical trial involving pregnancy?

It is a trend..I have heard " pregnant people" on npr so it is larger than this one GIRL!

Men can carry and birth children too.

male seahorses, you are correct. Humans not so much.

Some humans are seahorses, it is fluid.

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Or "them?"

That is very denigrating toward any girl or woman. My female dog is "it".

My female dog is she/her.

Did she expressly identified as she? If not, then it is it.

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Anonymous wrote:There is nothing incorrect about saying “pregnant person” or whatever, so what is the issue? Be glad your daughter is talking to you. Be sure to keep parsing and criticizing the words she chooses, and see where that gets you.

The majority of men and women in our country know it's absurd to talk about pregnant people and individuals instead of girls, women, mothers, moms, etc.

I mean, sure. Hold that line. Question your teen and make her feel wrong and stupid, or that she can’t talk to you. Good luck with that! Be sure to make this a point of contention, and see exactly how far it gets you. Some people value communication with their child. And apparently some would rather be “right” about every single word chosen than have a relationship with their child. Pick your lane. Good luck.

It is useful to teach their children truth. So yeah, I try to hold the line on that.

How is it not “true” that there is a person DD knows who is pregnant? Show me what is inaccurate. Is the pregnant student not a human being, not a person? Is it a pregnant AI bot? Do tell.

Anyway, when my kids talk to me, I don’t challenge them over words if I understand the meaning. There is not one inaccurate thing about pregnant person.

Except "pregnant person" implies both sexes can get pregnant, which is clearly incorrect. It's far more accurate to say pregnant woman or girl.

No it doesn't. It implies that you already know the sex of the person, so the word woman or girl is redundant.

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Anonymous wrote:Men can’t get pregnant.

A woman is an adult human female.

These are controversial sayings now.

If you already know that the pregnant person is female human, then why would saying "person" be a problem. What information does "girl" or "woman" add?

Then why would it bother you if you did say girl?

The person saying “person” is the OP’s daughter. Some on this thread (like me) are hoping the pregnant person has all the help needed. I mean wouldn’t that be what the average parent thinks? Somehow it seems to bother people like you and OP that her daughter said “pregnant person” rather than “pregnant girl”. In reverse, if the OP had come on the board and said her daughter had talked about the pregnant woman at school, nobody would have cared. And the thread might have proceeded down the path of teen pregnancy. The only people making a big deal out of this are you.

It obviously bothers the op or they wouldn't have started it. And I can assure you that I am not the only person who is bothered by it. Tell me you are gen z without saying you are. You are policing my word choice just because you can and I am not going to lie down and take it.

Who is policing your word choice? A girl says “pregnant person” to her mom. Somehow you are being canceled by this? You and the OP are free to call the pregnant person a girl.

You are being obtuse. Npr is embracing pregnant people..people who menstate...this is how it starts.

I truly don’t get your issue. If there is a shift in the way that younger people are using language, why is this such a big deal for you. Go ahead and say “pregnant girl” if you want.

A non political example. My kid says “that’s sus”. I suspect your kid might say it too. Do you get stressed out about that too or just accept that your kids have a vernacular you don’t get? In some ways, this is no different.

This is bigger than just one generation use of slang. Nobody is complaining about "that's sus" but, when your kid (who is a young adult) tells you that you are pressured to say pregnant person how is that good for society? Not one person has said why a girl who is pregnant ( and I assume identifies as a girl) can't just be called that. For as long as societies have been around and there have been loads of pregnant girls no one has made a big fuss and now it is "people who menstrate" "pregnant people" The word man has not being diminished only girl/women. Why is that?

Again, to all those who say "pregnant people" would you correct someone who said pregnant girl or would you say nothing. Why does the word girl bother you so much? When I ask this one question...no one ever answers but, they ask why I am bothered by it.

I say pregnant person/people if I'm speaking generally or am not personally acquainted with the person in question's gender identity. I would not correct someone else if they said "pregnant girl" because I don't go around correcting other people's speech patterns. I have nothing against the word girl, or woman for that matter. I identify as a woman (and am cis if that's relevant).

We haven't called pregnant teens "pregnant girls" for all that long though -- it used to "girls who got in trouble" or "in the family way" or a lot of ruder things. Isn't it funny how language evolves?

You are making life way too complicated. I am assuming op and her dd were in their own home? Now how would this person be offended if the dd said "there is a pregnant girl in my class" and the person they were talking about was not there? Now if this person did not want to identify as a girl and she you used the wrong pronouns for her than yes that would be offensive. But, saying hey there is a pregnant girl at my school should not cause people to fear being canceled.

And I very much doubt that if op's dd said this to her peers that they would be silent.

I think you’re confused. I never said I habitually used pregnant person because I was afraid of being canceled or worried about offending someone. I use it because it is factually accurate and easy to say. You and OP are assuming tons of people are offended by the phrase “pregnant girl” but all I see on this thread are people deeply offended by the phrase “pregnant person.”

I think you are insulting. Pregnant girl is accurate as well.

Yes, it's equally accurate. It's not better, it's not worse. So why are you having a fit about any of the terms?

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Anonymous wrote:As a translator I see that tendency to remove the word "woman" everywhere they can. Violence against women became gender-based violence, pregnant women became pregnant persons. I could cite many more. I specifically remember a text where there was a report of x number of girls being abused. They changed it in the original text to say "x number of minors". In my translation, I decided to keep the feminine form since I knew for a fact they were all girls. I was told I should stick to the gender neutral. That's the problem with erasing women. What does it mean when we say "x number of people are killed by their intimate partners every year" for example. Aren't we leaving out an essential part of the equation?

How about you push for trans equality so that anyone who identifies as a woman or a girl is counted as such, then we won’t have to bother with the inclusive language? When a trans woman is murdered, that should count as a woman being murdered, yes?

I think this would obscure data and prevent a true accounting of trans specific violence. A trans woman is a woman and should be counted as one, however, trans people are subject to more violence than cis people and we won't be able to accurately quantify that without that data.