APS Free and Reduced Meals - New Report

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:APS has nothing to do with housing. You don't like the huge FARMS rates at certain schools? Go advocate to the County Board that you want to see affordable housing around Jamestown and Tuckahoe.

Alternatively, go advocate in front of APS that you want forced busing to equalize FARMS rates across schools.

People love to complain about this issue, but they're unwilling to actually do anything about it.

Yup, and then try to convince the brown FARMS families at Randolph that they will be better off bused to Jamestown. They don't want to leave their neighborhood either.

The people who complain about high FARMS rates are the white UMC families in those schools in SA. They moved to those zip codes to get a bigger house for less $, but then once there they do not want their white UMC kids in a school with lots of brown kids and high FARMS. You don't usually hear the FARMS families complaining.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:APS has nothing to do with housing. You don't like the huge FARMS rates at certain schools? Go advocate to the County Board that you want to see affordable housing around Jamestown and Tuckahoe.

Alternatively, go advocate in front of APS that you want forced busing to equalize FARMS rates across schools.

People love to complain about this issue, but they're unwilling to actually do anything about it.

Oh please. There have been many of us advocating on these issues to both the school and county boards for YEARS. and "forced busing" isn't the only way to improve socioeconomic diversity within the schools. Those of use who have been in this conversation WITH the TWO boards over the years have made various arguments and proposed various ways forward. But people have only so much energy, time, and tolerance for the ignorance, politics, and denialism of both boards who find it easier to just point their fingers at each other.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:APS has nothing to do with housing. You don't like the huge FARMS rates at certain schools? Go advocate to the County Board that you want to see affordable housing around Jamestown and Tuckahoe.

Alternatively, go advocate in front of APS that you want forced busing to equalize FARMS rates across schools.

People love to complain about this issue, but they're unwilling to actually do anything about it.

Yup, and then try to convince the brown FARMS families at Randolph that they will be better off bused to Jamestown. They don't want to leave their neighborhood either.

The people who complain about high FARMS rates are the white UMC families in those schools in SA. They moved to those zip codes to get a bigger house for less $, but then once there they do not want their white UMC kids in a school with lots of brown kids and high FARMS. You don't usually hear the FARMS families complaining.

. Oh come on, Barrett and Ashlawn are next to each other. Have Ashlawn pick up some of Barrett's planning units and Barrett pick up some of Ashlawn's planning units. There's no reason for one school to be at >70% FARMs and the other to be at 17%. That's ridiculous. No busing across town required.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:APS has nothing to do with housing. You don't like the huge FARMS rates at certain schools? Go advocate to the County Board that you want to see affordable housing around Jamestown and Tuckahoe.

Alternatively, go advocate in front of APS that you want forced busing to equalize FARMS rates across schools.

People love to complain about this issue, but they're unwilling to actually do anything about it.

Yup, and then try to convince the brown FARMS families at Randolph that they will be better off bused to Jamestown. They don't want to leave their neighborhood either.

The people who complain about high FARMS rates are the white UMC families in those schools in SA. They moved to those zip codes to get a bigger house for less $, but then once there they do not want their white UMC kids in a school with lots of brown kids and high FARMS. You don't usually hear the FARMS families complaining.

Of course - what reason do you white folks in extreme low poverty schools have to complain?
However, you are mistaken about the housing purchases. South Arlington has a much fuller range of incomes than the far north of Arlington. It isn't FRL or 1%ers. It's heavy in the middle. So not everyone who isn't FRL in south Arlington could afford a house in north Arlington. There are other reasons to buy a house in south Arlington, too.

As to the PP's comment about "brown FARMS" from Randolph not wanting to bus to Jamestown.....you are a stunning example as to why the conversations about increasing diversity across the system never goes anywhere. That isn't the only solution. Try being at least a little creative.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:APS has nothing to do with housing. You don't like the huge FARMS rates at certain schools? Go advocate to the County Board that you want to see affordable housing around Jamestown and Tuckahoe.

Alternatively, go advocate in front of APS that you want forced busing to equalize FARMS rates across schools.

People love to complain about this issue, but they're unwilling to actually do anything about it.

Yup, and then try to convince the brown FARMS families at Randolph that they will be better off bused to Jamestown. They don't want to leave their neighborhood either.

The people who complain about high FARMS rates are the white UMC families in those schools in SA. They moved to those zip codes to get a bigger house for less $, but then once there they do not want their white UMC kids in a school with lots of brown kids and high FARMS. You don't usually hear the FARMS families complaining.

Of course - what reason do you white folks in extreme low poverty schools have to complain?
However, you are mistaken about the housing purchases. South Arlington has a much fuller range of incomes than the far north of Arlington. It isn't FRL or 1%ers. It's heavy in the middle. So not everyone who isn't FRL in south Arlington could afford a house in north Arlington. There are other reasons to buy a house in south Arlington, too.

As to the PP's comment about "brown FARMS" from Randolph not wanting to bus to Jamestown.....you are a stunning example as to why the conversations about increasing diversity across the system never goes anywhere. That isn't the only solution. Try being at least a little creative.

+1 all I hear are obstacles from people saying why nothing can be done about uneven FRL across Arlington. I’m the original poster from however many months (year?) back asking why we can’t spreadload the % across the schools better. Good lord, the pushback was instantaneous. All I got from those responses is a clear indication people are against change for a variety of reasons. At this point it seems 100% futile. Only a legal challenge would force anyone to do anything. How dumb. My future kids aren’t even in this school system yet and I’ve already given up on Arlington public schools. Way to go county!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:APS has nothing to do with housing. You don't like the huge FARMS rates at certain schools? Go advocate to the County Board that you want to see affordable housing around Jamestown and Tuckahoe.

Alternatively, go advocate in front of APS that you want forced busing to equalize FARMS rates across schools.

People love to complain about this issue, but they're unwilling to actually do anything about it.

Oh please. There have been many of us advocating on these issues to both the school and county boards for YEARS. and "forced busing" isn't the only way to improve socioeconomic diversity within the schools. Those of use who have been in this conversation WITH the TWO boards over the years have made various arguments and proposed various ways forward. But people have only so much energy, time, and tolerance for the ignorance, politics, and denialism of both boards who find it easier to just point their fingers at each other.

Such as?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:APS has nothing to do with housing. You don't like the huge FARMS rates at certain schools? Go advocate to the County Board that you want to see affordable housing around Jamestown and Tuckahoe.

Alternatively, go advocate in front of APS that you want forced busing to equalize FARMS rates across schools.

People love to complain about this issue, but they're unwilling to actually do anything about it.

Yup, and then try to convince the brown FARMS families at Randolph that they will be better off bused to Jamestown. They don't want to leave their neighborhood either.

The people who complain about high FARMS rates are the white UMC families in those schools in SA. They moved to those zip codes to get a bigger house for less $, but then once there they do not want their white UMC kids in a school with lots of brown kids and high FARMS. You don't usually hear the FARMS families complaining.

Of course - what reason do you white folks in extreme low poverty schools have to complain?
However, you are mistaken about the housing purchases. South Arlington has a much fuller range of incomes than the far north of Arlington. It isn't FRL or 1%ers. It's heavy in the middle. So not everyone who isn't FRL in south Arlington could afford a house in north Arlington. There are other reasons to buy a house in south Arlington, too.

As to the PP's comment about "brown FARMS" from Randolph not wanting to bus to Jamestown.....you are a stunning example as to why the conversations about increasing diversity across the system never goes anywhere. That isn't the only solution. Try being at least a little creative.

+1 all I hear are obstacles from people saying why nothing can be done about uneven FRL across Arlington. I’m the original poster from however many months (year?) back asking why we can’t spreadload the % across the schools better. Good lord, the pushback was instantaneous. All I got from those responses is a clear indication people are against change for a variety of reasons. At this point it seems 100% futile. Only a legal challenge would force anyone to do anything. How dumb. My future kids aren’t even in this school system yet and I’ve already given up on Arlington public schools. Way to go county!

Very few parents want to send their Kindergartener on 45+ minute bus ride everyday.

Very few parents want to make the same trek themselves to pick up their kids at Extended Day.

Would love to hear ideas, but until we can spread SES across the county, any school solutions will involve long bus rides and long treks for parents to pick up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:APS has nothing to do with housing. You don't like the huge FARMS rates at certain schools? Go advocate to the County Board that you want to see affordable housing around Jamestown and Tuckahoe.

Alternatively, go advocate in front of APS that you want forced busing to equalize FARMS rates across schools.

People love to complain about this issue, but they're unwilling to actually do anything about it.

Oh please. There have been many of us advocating on these issues to both the school and county boards for YEARS. and "forced busing" isn't the only way to improve socioeconomic diversity within the schools. Those of use who have been in this conversation WITH the TWO boards over the years have made various arguments and proposed various ways forward. But people have only so much energy, time, and tolerance for the ignorance, politics, and denialism of both boards who find it easier to just point their fingers at each other.

Such as?

1. Ranked choice admissions process
2. Incremental steps with every boundary change requiring FRL% to be a primary consideration - implementing options that improve, not worsen, the situation
3. Ways to increase interaction between schools -- it's the social interaction with peers that's most important
4. Locating option programs (if we have to keep them) centrally and in locations easily accessed by transportation (car, bus) to encourage low-income families to opt in
5. Stop telling immigrant communities that boundary changes will "tear their community apart"
6. Stop acquiescing to the white affluent parents crying "walkability" or whining about passing a closer school to get to their assigned school
7.And imagine what impact could be made if people stopped all their crap arguments pushing back against distributing committed affordable housing geographically throughout the county - or at least stopping additional construction/addition of CAFs in the areas where the neighborhood schools already exceed 40% FRL.
8. Electing a school board and hiring administration who don't dismiss or deny the research demonstrating the academic (and future income prospects for generational poor) benefits of socioeconomic diversity, and who prioritize providing the best education for ALL students.

That's a start.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:APS has nothing to do with housing. You don't like the huge FARMS rates at certain schools? Go advocate to the County Board that you want to see affordable housing around Jamestown and Tuckahoe.

Alternatively, go advocate in front of APS that you want forced busing to equalize FARMS rates across schools.

People love to complain about this issue, but they're unwilling to actually do anything about it.

Yup, and then try to convince the brown FARMS families at Randolph that they will be better off bused to Jamestown. They don't want to leave their neighborhood either.

The people who complain about high FARMS rates are the white UMC families in those schools in SA. They moved to those zip codes to get a bigger house for less $, but then once there they do not want their white UMC kids in a school with lots of brown kids and high FARMS. You don't usually hear the FARMS families complaining.

Of course - what reason do you white folks in extreme low poverty schools have to complain?
However, you are mistaken about the housing purchases. South Arlington has a much fuller range of incomes than the far north of Arlington. It isn't FRL or 1%ers. It's heavy in the middle. So not everyone who isn't FRL in south Arlington could afford a house in north Arlington. There are other reasons to buy a house in south Arlington, too.

As to the PP's comment about "brown FARMS" from Randolph not wanting to bus to Jamestown.....you are a stunning example as to why the conversations about increasing diversity across the system never goes anywhere. That isn't the only solution. Try being at least a little creative.

+1 all I hear are obstacles from people saying why nothing can be done about uneven FRL across Arlington. I’m the original poster from however many months (year?) back asking why we can’t spreadload the % across the schools better. Good lord, the pushback was instantaneous. All I got from those responses is a clear indication people are against change for a variety of reasons. At this point it seems 100% futile. Only a legal challenge would force anyone to do anything. How dumb. My future kids aren’t even in this school system yet and I’ve already given up on Arlington public schools. Way to go county!

Link to previous thread?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We really do need to abolish the choice schools, and make real ones about learning style if at all. Need applied learning? Add that to all schools. Need the double literacy that ATS offers, do that too. Need bilingual education, well, that one I don't have a good solution to; might need to keep them but NO Free Summer School for just them. WHat's HB's learning style? Make that a 70 person section in each school and we wouldn't need an HB and the urban center could have their own walk-to-it high school.

Have you BEEN in HB? Remember when parents shouted down a 4th high school without a swimming pool? HB has a tiny cafeteria, a tiny gym, no fields and no parking. It cannot be a “walk to it” neighborhood high school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:APS has nothing to do with housing. You don't like the huge FARMS rates at certain schools? Go advocate to the County Board that you want to see affordable housing around Jamestown and Tuckahoe.

Alternatively, go advocate in front of APS that you want forced busing to equalize FARMS rates across schools.

People love to complain about this issue, but they're unwilling to actually do anything about it.

Yup, and then try to convince the brown FARMS families at Randolph that they will be better off bused to Jamestown. They don't want to leave their neighborhood either.

The people who complain about high FARMS rates are the white UMC families in those schools in SA. They moved to those zip codes to get a bigger house for less $, but then once there they do not want their white UMC kids in a school with lots of brown kids and high FARMS. You don't usually hear the FARMS families complaining.

Of course - what reason do you white folks in extreme low poverty schools have to complain?
However, you are mistaken about the housing purchases. South Arlington has a much fuller range of incomes than the far north of Arlington. It isn't FRL or 1%ers. It's heavy in the middle. So not everyone who isn't FRL in south Arlington could afford a house in north Arlington. There are other reasons to buy a house in south Arlington, too.

As to the PP's comment about "brown FARMS" from Randolph not wanting to bus to Jamestown.....you are a stunning example as to why the conversations about increasing diversity across the system never goes anywhere. That isn't the only solution. Try being at least a little creative.

+1 all I hear are obstacles from people saying why nothing can be done about uneven FRL across Arlington. I’m the original poster from however many months (year?) back asking why we can’t spreadload the % across the schools better. Good lord, the pushback was instantaneous. All I got from those responses is a clear indication people are against change for a variety of reasons. At this point it seems 100% futile. Only a legal challenge would force anyone to do anything. How dumb. My future kids aren’t even in this school system yet and I’ve already given up on Arlington public schools. Way to go county!

Oh boy. You're in for a long 12 years with APS. Buckle up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:APS has nothing to do with housing. You don't like the huge FARMS rates at certain schools? Go advocate to the County Board that you want to see affordable housing around Jamestown and Tuckahoe.

Alternatively, go advocate in front of APS that you want forced busing to equalize FARMS rates across schools.

People love to complain about this issue, but they're unwilling to actually do anything about it.

Oh please. There have been many of us advocating on these issues to both the school and county boards for YEARS. and "forced busing" isn't the only way to improve socioeconomic diversity within the schools. Those of use who have been in this conversation WITH the TWO boards over the years have made various arguments and proposed various ways forward. But people have only so much energy, time, and tolerance for the ignorance, politics, and denialism of both boards who find it easier to just point their fingers at each other.

Such as?

1. Ranked choice admissions process
2. Incremental steps with every boundary change requiring FRL% to be a primary consideration - implementing options that improve, not worsen, the situation
3. Ways to increase interaction between schools -- it's the social interaction with peers that's most important
4. Locating option programs (if we have to keep them) centrally and in locations easily accessed by transportation (car, bus) to encourage low-income families to opt in
5. Stop telling immigrant communities that boundary changes will "tear their community apart"
6. Stop acquiescing to the white affluent parents crying "walkability" or whining about passing a closer school to get to their assigned school
7.And imagine what impact could be made if people stopped all their crap arguments pushing back against distributing committed affordable housing geographically throughout the county - or at least stopping additional construction/addition of CAFs in the areas where the neighborhood schools already exceed 40% FRL.
8. Electing a school board and hiring administration who don't dismiss or deny the research demonstrating the academic (and future income prospects for generational poor) benefits of socioeconomic diversity, and who prioritize providing the best education for ALL students.

That's a start.

4. Already doing it.
3. Agree.
7. Totally agree. This actually would make the most impact. Unfortunately, there is not a lot of political will to make it happen.
8. I think they already do that.
5. Didn’t see that happening.
1. & 2. This doesn’t work on a large scale for ES because almost everyone wants their young kids close to home. They don’t want super long bus rides for Kindergartners or long treks to pick them up from Extended Day after work. Plus, transportation is already a nightmare.
6. Again, parents across the county value proximity. That’s not unique to white, affluent parents.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:APS has nothing to do with housing. You don't like the huge FARMS rates at certain schools? Go advocate to the County Board that you want to see affordable housing around Jamestown and Tuckahoe.

Alternatively, go advocate in front of APS that you want forced busing to equalize FARMS rates across schools.

People love to complain about this issue, but they're unwilling to actually do anything about it.

Oh please. There have been many of us advocating on these issues to both the school and county boards for YEARS. and "forced busing" isn't the only way to improve socioeconomic diversity within the schools. Those of use who have been in this conversation WITH the TWO boards over the years have made various arguments and proposed various ways forward. But people have only so much energy, time, and tolerance for the ignorance, politics, and denialism of both boards who find it easier to just point their fingers at each other.

Such as?

1. Ranked choice admissions process
2. Incremental steps with every boundary change requiring FRL% to be a primary consideration - implementing options that improve, not worsen, the situation
3. Ways to increase interaction between schools -- it's the social interaction with peers that's most important
4. Locating option programs (if we have to keep them) centrally and in locations easily accessed by transportation (car, bus) to encourage low-income families to opt in
5. Stop telling immigrant communities that boundary changes will "tear their community apart"
6. Stop acquiescing to the white affluent parents crying "walkability" or whining about passing a closer school to get to their assigned school
7.And imagine what impact could be made if people stopped all their crap arguments pushing back against distributing committed affordable housing geographically throughout the county - or at least stopping additional construction/addition of CAFs in the areas where the neighborhood schools already exceed 40% FRL.
8. Electing a school board and hiring administration who don't dismiss or deny the research demonstrating the academic (and future income prospects for generational poor) benefits of socioeconomic diversity, and who prioritize providing the best education for ALL students.

That's a start.

Yes this is modeled after the exemplary San Francisco school system.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:APS has nothing to do with housing. You don't like the huge FARMS rates at certain schools? Go advocate to the County Board that you want to see affordable housing around Jamestown and Tuckahoe.

Alternatively, go advocate in front of APS that you want forced busing to equalize FARMS rates across schools.

People love to complain about this issue, but they're unwilling to actually do anything about it.

Yup, and then try to convince the brown FARMS families at Randolph that they will be better off bused to Jamestown. They don't want to leave their neighborhood either.

The people who complain about high FARMS rates are the white UMC families in those schools in SA. They moved to those zip codes to get a bigger house for less $, but then once there they do not want their white UMC kids in a school with lots of brown kids and high FARMS. You don't usually hear the FARMS families complaining.

Of course - what reason do you white folks in extreme low poverty schools have to complain?
However, you are mistaken about the housing purchases. South Arlington has a much fuller range of incomes than the far north of Arlington. It isn't FRL or 1%ers. It's heavy in the middle. So not everyone who isn't FRL in south Arlington could afford a house in north Arlington. There are other reasons to buy a house in south Arlington, too.

As to the PP's comment about "brown FARMS" from Randolph not wanting to bus to Jamestown.....you are a stunning example as to why the conversations about increasing diversity across the system never goes anywhere. That isn't the only solution. Try being at least a little creative.

+1 all I hear are obstacles from people saying why nothing can be done about uneven FRL across Arlington. I’m the original poster from however many months (year?) back asking why we can’t spreadload the % across the schools better. Good lord, the pushback was instantaneous. All I got from those responses is a clear indication people are against change for a variety of reasons. At this point it seems 100% futile. Only a legal challenge would force anyone to do anything. How dumb. My future kids aren’t even in this school system yet and I’ve already given up on Arlington public schools. Way to go county!

Link to previous thread?

https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1015344.page

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm really surprised Williamsburg is so low. I know it draws from a very wealthy area, but 2.43% is so low - especially compared to Hamm and Swanson. Did Hamm take all the "poor" people from Williamsburg when it opened?

Also, my kids went to Glebe - they are in HS now. Their numbers are much lower than they used to be, too.

Williamsburg district has almost no apartments.