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Anonymous wrote:We are east of Glebe and rejoined from Fleet to Drew. Almost the entire neighborhood goes private. 3/4 kids in poverty and a large percent below grade level. No thanks. And spare me the you saved money by buying near Columbia Pike so you are condemned to failing schools and overwhelming AH. Spare me your all are welcome signs from North Arlington. Langston should mirror CP.

Sorry county is full. Get your neighbors to go to the school and FARMs will drop.

This response is why it’s unacceptable to force boundary changes that don’t involve upper north schools. This attitude of “sucks to be the rest of you who aren’t as wealthy as we are. Thanks for taking the hit so we can all feel better.”

Yep. NIMBY-ism at its finest.

What type of boundary changes do you want? If you want to significantly change #s it will require significant bussing.

That comment has been made and responded to multiple times in this thread.
The NIMBY comment was in response to the previous post - read it. Langston Blvd should mirror CP. PP's comment about taking the hit so the rest can fell better reflects the south taking all the density and majority of affordably housing, no room for more including in the north, so thanks!

I fully support balancing AH across the county. I support missing middle.

Until then, what should we do? You want extensive bussing? Because that’s the only option to balance it out at the school level now.

So you want to F all the future high school students?

Nice strawman. No one said that.

As multiple people have said on this thread, tweaking boundaries does nothing to balance numbers. The only way to do it is to change housing (go lobby the county) or radical boundary changes requiring extensive busing, such as slicing the county up north to south in skinny long sections.

/dead horse

Well we can foster additional AH when we have sufficient resources for the current crop of kids. Oversized high schools. Hunger games registration for county sports programs and camps. Insufficient park space and recreation areas. Heck we don’t have enough drivers to vacuum leaves. We are seeing a drop in county revenue as commercial real estate withers, we can’t afford to build more AH just so you can feel like FARMS rates are fare.

Well, we fostered and continue to foster additional AH in south Arlington without all of those things. But of course, the north wants to continue to be absolved; so sure, let's use the resources excuse now.

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Anonymous wrote:We are east of Glebe and rejoined from Fleet to Drew. Almost the entire neighborhood goes private. 3/4 kids in poverty and a large percent below grade level. No thanks. And spare me the you saved money by buying near Columbia Pike so you are condemned to failing schools and overwhelming AH. Spare me your all are welcome signs from North Arlington. Langston should mirror CP.

Sorry county is full. Get your neighbors to go to the school and FARMs will drop.

This response is why it’s unacceptable to force boundary changes that don’t involve upper north schools. This attitude of “sucks to be the rest of you who aren’t as wealthy as we are. Thanks for taking the hit so we can all feel better.”

Yep. NIMBY-ism at its finest.

What type of boundary changes do you want? If you want to significantly change #s it will require significant bussing.

That comment has been made and responded to multiple times in this thread.
The NIMBY comment was in response to the previous post - read it. Langston Blvd should mirror CP. PP's comment about taking the hit so the rest can fell better reflects the south taking all the density and majority of affordably housing, no room for more including in the north, so thanks!

I fully support balancing AH across the county. I support missing middle.

Until then, what should we do? You want extensive bussing? Because that’s the only option to balance it out at the school level now.

So you want to F all the future high school students?

Nice strawman. No one said that.

As multiple people have said on this thread, tweaking boundaries does nothing to balance numbers. The only way to do it is to change housing (go lobby the county) or radical boundary changes requiring extensive busing, such as slicing the county up north to south in skinny long sections.

/dead horse

Well we can foster additional AH when we have sufficient resources for the current crop of kids. Oversized high schools. Hunger games registration for county sports programs and camps. Insufficient park space and recreation areas. Heck we don’t have enough drivers to vacuum leaves. We are seeing a drop in county revenue as commercial real estate withers, we can’t afford to build more AH just so you can feel like FARMS rates are fare.

Well, we fostered and continue to foster additional AH in south Arlington without all of those things. But of course, the north wants to continue to be absolved; so sure, let's use the resources excuse now.

Sorry we’ve been saying this for 10 years.

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Anonymous wrote:We are east of Glebe and rejoined from Fleet to Drew. Almost the entire neighborhood goes private. 3/4 kids in poverty and a large percent below grade level. No thanks. And spare me the you saved money by buying near Columbia Pike so you are condemned to failing schools and overwhelming AH. Spare me your all are welcome signs from North Arlington. Langston should mirror CP.

Sorry county is full. Get your neighbors to go to the school and FARMs will drop.

This response is why it’s unacceptable to force boundary changes that don’t involve upper north schools. This attitude of “sucks to be the rest of you who aren’t as wealthy as we are. Thanks for taking the hit so we can all feel better.”

Yep. NIMBY-ism at its finest.

What type of boundary changes do you want? If you want to significantly change #s it will require significant bussing.

That comment has been made and responded to multiple times in this thread.
The NIMBY comment was in response to the previous post - read it. Langston Blvd should mirror CP. PP's comment about taking the hit so the rest can fell better reflects the south taking all the density and majority of affordably housing, no room for more including in the north, so thanks!

I fully support balancing AH across the county. I support missing middle.

Until then, what should we do? You want extensive bussing? Because that’s the only option to balance it out at the school level now.

So you want to F all the future high school students?

Nice strawman. No one said that.

As multiple people have said on this thread, tweaking boundaries does nothing to balance numbers. The only way to do it is to change housing (go lobby the county) or radical boundary changes requiring extensive busing, such as slicing the county up north to south in skinny long sections.

/dead horse

Well we can foster additional AH when we have sufficient resources for the current crop of kids. Oversized high schools. Hunger games registration for county sports programs and camps. Insufficient park space and recreation areas. Heck we don’t have enough drivers to vacuum leaves. We are seeing a drop in county revenue as commercial real estate withers, we can’t afford to build more AH just so you can feel like FARMS rates are fare.

Well, we fostered and continue to foster additional AH in south Arlington without all of those things. But of course, the north wants to continue to be absolved; so sure, let's use the resources excuse now.

Sorry we’ve been saying this for 10 years.

Of course you have. Anything to keep it out of NA. Always before, now, and evermore.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:We are east of Glebe and rejoined from Fleet to Drew. Almost the entire neighborhood goes private. 3/4 kids in poverty and a large percent below grade level. No thanks. And spare me the you saved money by buying near Columbia Pike so you are condemned to failing schools and overwhelming AH. Spare me your all are welcome signs from North Arlington. Langston should mirror CP.

Sorry county is full. Get your neighbors to go to the school and FARMs will drop.

This response is why it’s unacceptable to force boundary changes that don’t involve upper north schools. This attitude of “sucks to be the rest of you who aren’t as wealthy as we are. Thanks for taking the hit so we can all feel better.”

Yep. NIMBY-ism at its finest.

What type of boundary changes do you want? If you want to significantly change #s it will require significant bussing.

That comment has been made and responded to multiple times in this thread.
The NIMBY comment was in response to the previous post - read it. Langston Blvd should mirror CP. PP's comment about taking the hit so the rest can fell better reflects the south taking all the density and majority of affordably housing, no room for more including in the north, so thanks!

I fully support balancing AH across the county. I support missing middle.

Until then, what should we do? You want extensive bussing? Because that’s the only option to balance it out at the school level now.

So you want to F all the future high school students?

Nice strawman. No one said that.

As multiple people have said on this thread, tweaking boundaries does nothing to balance numbers. The only way to do it is to change housing (go lobby the county) or radical boundary changes requiring extensive busing, such as slicing the county up north to south in skinny long sections.

/dead horse

Well we can foster additional AH when we have sufficient resources for the current crop of kids. Oversized high schools. Hunger games registration for county sports programs and camps. Insufficient park space and recreation areas. Heck we don’t have enough drivers to vacuum leaves. We are seeing a drop in county revenue as commercial real estate withers, we can’t afford to build more AH just so you can feel like FARMS rates are fare.

Well, we fostered and continue to foster additional AH in south Arlington without all of those things. But of course, the north wants to continue to be absolved; so sure, let's use the resources excuse now.

Sorry we’ve been saying this for 10 years.

Of course you have. Anything to keep it out of NA. Always before, now, and evermore.

DP. So we should add AH to NA now without capacity…out of spite?

Or do we push to add more capacity *and* only locate new AH above Wilson?

The “enemy” here is the CB who doesn’t prioritize schools and who doesn’t value distributing AH across the county. And I think you underestimate the # of YIMBYs.

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Anonymous wrote:We are east of Glebe and rejoined from Fleet to Drew. Almost the entire neighborhood goes private. 3/4 kids in poverty and a large percent below grade level. No thanks. And spare me the you saved money by buying near Columbia Pike so you are condemned to failing schools and overwhelming AH. Spare me your all are welcome signs from North Arlington. Langston should mirror CP.

Sorry county is full. Get your neighbors to go to the school and FARMs will drop.

This response is why it’s unacceptable to force boundary changes that don’t involve upper north schools. This attitude of “sucks to be the rest of you who aren’t as wealthy as we are. Thanks for taking the hit so we can all feel better.”

Yep. NIMBY-ism at its finest.

What type of boundary changes do you want? If you want to significantly change #s it will require significant bussing.

That comment has been made and responded to multiple times in this thread.
The NIMBY comment was in response to the previous post - read it. Langston Blvd should mirror CP. PP's comment about taking the hit so the rest can fell better reflects the south taking all the density and majority of affordably housing, no room for more including in the north, so thanks!

I fully support balancing AH across the county. I support missing middle.

Until then, what should we do? You want extensive bussing? Because that’s the only option to balance it out at the school level now.

So you want to F all the future high school students?

Nice strawman. No one said that.

As multiple people have said on this thread, tweaking boundaries does nothing to balance numbers. The only way to do it is to change housing (go lobby the county) or radical boundary changes requiring extensive busing, such as slicing the county up north to south in skinny long sections.

/dead horse

Well we can foster additional AH when we have sufficient resources for the current crop of kids. Oversized high schools. Hunger games registration for county sports programs and camps. Insufficient park space and recreation areas. Heck we don’t have enough drivers to vacuum leaves. We are seeing a drop in county revenue as commercial real estate withers, we can’t afford to build more AH just so you can feel like FARMS rates are fare.

Well, we fostered and continue to foster additional AH in south Arlington without all of those things. But of course, the north wants to continue to be absolved; so sure, let's use the resources excuse now.

Sorry we’ve been saying this for 10 years.

Of course you have. Anything to keep it out of NA. Always before, now, and evermore.

You are not paying attention. I oppose SA AH too. The very thing you are complaining about.

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Oh please. There have been many of us advocating on these issues to both the school and county boards for YEARS. and "forced busing" isn't the only way to improve socioeconomic diversity within the schools. Those of use who have been in this conversation WITH the TWO boards over the years have made various arguments and proposed various ways forward. But people have only so much energy, time, and tolerance for the ignorance, politics, and denialism of both boards who find it easier to just point their fingers at each other.

It would be honestly easier and better than the unpopular forced bussing to make changes via other means. Just one example - allow the Montessori parents at Jamestown (who are there because they chose it) to remain at the school. Add VPI classes (to be chosen with a possibility to remain at that elementary) at the other far North elementary schools with FLR less than 10%. It will not be the same as changing the housing landscape, but the effects will be immediate and noticeable. Worked at ATS.

They have trouble filling VPI classrooms that far away from AH and public transit. If they could fill them, they would absolutely put more there.

This is not at all true. Both VPI and Montessori far away from AH are completely booked out! There are no open spots. If you offer it, people will sign up for it.

And, FYI, to another PP; people are putting their 3 and 4 yr olds on busses. This is the case at many option schools, and the schools that offer Montessori, VPI, and special needs. Due to the hub stops many are on the bus for 45 minutes. APS has extra personnel on these busses, not just the driver. This is not ideal (the distance and time), nonetheless, there are no empty spots, there is a great demand.

Right now, at all the far-North Elementary Schools APS kicks the poor students out by 1st grade, by design. There is really no excuse for that.

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Oh please. There have been many of us advocating on these issues to both the school and county boards for YEARS. and "forced busing" isn't the only way to improve socioeconomic diversity within the schools. Those of use who have been in this conversation WITH the TWO boards over the years have made various arguments and proposed various ways forward. But people have only so much energy, time, and tolerance for the ignorance, politics, and denialism of both boards who find it easier to just point their fingers at each other.

It would be honestly easier and better than the unpopular forced bussing to make changes via other means. Just one example - allow the Montessori parents at Jamestown (who are there because they chose it) to remain at the school. Add VPI classes (to be chosen with a possibility to remain at that elementary) at the other far North elementary schools with FLR less than 10%. It will not be the same as changing the housing landscape, but the effects will be immediate and noticeable. Worked at ATS.

They have trouble filling VPI classrooms that far away from AH and public transit. If they could fill them, they would absolutely put more there.

This is not at all true. Both VPI and Montessori far away from AH are completely booked out! There are no open spots. If you offer it, people will sign up for it.

And, FYI, to another PP; people are putting their 3 and 4 yr olds on busses. This is the case at many option schools, and the schools that offer Montessori, VPI, and special needs. Due to the hub stops many are on the bus for 45 minutes. APS has extra personnel on these busses, not just the driver. This is not ideal (the distance and time), nonetheless, there are no empty spots, there is a great demand.

Right now, at all the far-North Elementary Schools APS kicks the poor students out by 1st grade, by design. There is really no excuse for that.

Well I know I have watched SB meetings in the past where this was stated.