APS Free and Reduced Meals - New Report

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Anonymous wrote:We are east of Glebe and rejoined from Fleet to Drew. Almost the entire neighborhood goes private. 3/4 kids in poverty and a large percent below grade level. No thanks. And spare me the you saved money by buying near Columbia Pike so you are condemned to failing schools and overwhelming AH. Spare me your all are welcome signs from North Arlington. Langston should mirror CP.


Sorry county is full. Get your neighbors to go to the school and FARMs will drop.
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Anonymous wrote:I'm really surprised Williamsburg is so low. I know it draws from a very wealthy area, but 2.43% is so low - especially compared to Hamm and Swanson. Did Hamm take all the "poor" people from Williamsburg when it opened?

Also, my kids went to Glebe - they are in HS now. Their numbers are much lower than they used to be, too.


Very surprised about Williamsburg too. I taught there in the 90’s and the population in poverty was much higher then, mostly from busing students from the Clarendon area near Key elementary. I wonder if this is due to boundary change ir due to the fact that Clarendon has gotten so gentrified?


30yrs ago the Halls Hill planning units hadn’t been moved to Swanson. Hamm didn’t exist. Yes, also more gentrification.
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Anonymous wrote:We are east of Glebe and rejoined from Fleet to Drew. Almost the entire neighborhood goes private. 3/4 kids in poverty and a large percent below grade level. No thanks. And spare me the you saved money by buying near Columbia Pike so you are condemned to failing schools and overwhelming AH. Spare me your all are welcome signs from North Arlington. Langston should mirror CP.


Sorry county is full. Get your neighbors to go to the school and FARMs will drop.


This response is why it’s unacceptable to force boundary changes that don’t involve upper north schools. This attitude of “sucks to be the rest of you who aren’t as wealthy as we are. Thanks for taking the hit so we can all feel better.”
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Anonymous wrote:The most embarrassing is HB Woodlawn at 12%. There’s no reason for that to be lower than the county average.

Yeah that seems like the easiest thing to fix. They could easily allocate more HB seats to the high FARMS schools and earmark those seats for FARMS kids


Someone once told me that the HB hours are a problem, because it gets out much later. If you're relying on older kids to look after younger kids after school, it's not an option.


I’m 100% sure that’s intentional, another moat around their public funded private scchool.

How does that work? They start later than ALL middle and high schools? After all the research how beneficial a later start is for older kids, it just adds to the disparity of the program.



Admin at the HB info night last week said the start time is not intentional, it's directly related to transportation issues. They're the last bus run after they drop off the rest of the elementary and secondary kids.
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Anonymous wrote:We are east of Glebe and rejoined from Fleet to Drew. Almost the entire neighborhood goes private. 3/4 kids in poverty and a large percent below grade level. No thanks. And spare me the you saved money by buying near Columbia Pike so you are condemned to failing schools and overwhelming AH. Spare me your all are welcome signs from North Arlington. Langston should mirror CP.


+10000!
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Anonymous wrote:We are east of Glebe and rejoined from Fleet to Drew. Almost the entire neighborhood goes private. 3/4 kids in poverty and a large percent below grade level. No thanks. And spare me the you saved money by buying near Columbia Pike so you are condemned to failing schools and overwhelming AH. Spare me your all are welcome signs from North Arlington. Langston should mirror CP.


Sorry county is full. Get your neighbors to go to the school and FARMs will drop.


This response is why it’s unacceptable to force boundary changes that don’t involve upper north schools. This attitude of “sucks to be the rest of you who aren’t as wealthy as we are. Thanks for taking the hit so we can all feel better.”


Yep. NIMBY-ism at its finest.
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The numbers of "total students" in this sheet are inaccurate for many of the schools. Makes me doubt the accuracy of the percentages.

Check APS's own "Monthly Enrollment" data from Oct 31, 2022 (Total amount of students by grade/school).

https://www.apsva.us/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/U-Mem_281_Membership_Summary-All.pdf


Compare it to its own "FARMS" data sheet, supposedly pulled from the system on the exact same date. Most of the school enrollments are different - W-L's enrollment is somehow off by 300 (!) students.

https://www.apsva.us/wp-content/uploads/2022/12/FREE-REDUCED-OCTOBER-31-2022.pdf

Combine that with the top 5 FARMS schools all being within a percentage point of each other, and this sheet seems suspect. Not that the problems stated in much of this thread aren't real - but the data can't be accurate. Not sure whether this is intentional, or incompetent, but either way, something's up.
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Anonymous wrote:The most embarrassing is HB Woodlawn at 12%. There’s no reason for that to be lower than the county average.

Yeah that seems like the easiest thing to fix. They could easily allocate more HB seats to the high FARMS schools and earmark those seats for FARMS kids


Someone once told me that the HB hours are a problem, because it gets out much later. If you're relying on older kids to look after younger kids after school, it's not an option.


I’m 100% sure that’s intentional, another moat around their public funded private scchool.

How does that work? They start later than ALL middle and high schools? After all the research how beneficial a later start is for older kids, it just adds to the disparity of the program.



Admin at the HB info night last week said the start time is not intentional, it's directly related to transportation issues. They're the last bus run after they drop off the rest of the elementary and secondary kids.


Aw, and you believed them?
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Anonymous wrote:We are east of Glebe and rejoined from Fleet to Drew. Almost the entire neighborhood goes private. 3/4 kids in poverty and a large percent below grade level. No thanks. And spare me the you saved money by buying near Columbia Pike so you are condemned to failing schools and overwhelming AH. Spare me your all are welcome signs from North Arlington. Langston should mirror CP.


Sorry county is full. Get your neighbors to go to the school and FARMs will drop.


This response is why it’s unacceptable to force boundary changes that don’t involve upper north schools. This attitude of “sucks to be the rest of you who aren’t as wealthy as we are. Thanks for taking the hit so we can all feel better.”


What hit are you talking about? The schools were as they were when you moved there. We all made choices based upon the facts on the ground.

Just because now you realize you can’t afford private school you want to make everyone suffer? Nobody rich or poor wants long bus rides and busing as you imagine. Nobody.

I would oppose more AH and high density build anywhere in the county; the school board is unable to address overcrowding so we need the county board to moderate population growth.
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Anonymous wrote:We are east of Glebe and rejoined from Fleet to Drew. Almost the entire neighborhood goes private. 3/4 kids in poverty and a large percent below grade level. No thanks. And spare me the you saved money by buying near Columbia Pike so you are condemned to failing schools and overwhelming AH. Spare me your all are welcome signs from North Arlington. Langston should mirror CP.


Sorry county is full. Get your neighbors to go to the school and FARMs will drop.


This response is why it’s unacceptable to force boundary changes that don’t involve upper north schools. This attitude of “sucks to be the rest of you who aren’t as wealthy as we are. Thanks for taking the hit so we can all feel better.”


Yep. NIMBY-ism at its finest.


What type of boundary changes do you want? If you want to significantly change #s it will require significant bussing.
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My kid goes to one of the community eligible schools. They get the numbers from snap, wic, tanf, and other social safety net programs. I honestly think the numbers are lower than that. A 75% rate would mean only 4-5 kids per class would not be FARMS and I know for a fact that has not been my kid's experience. Definitely over 50%, but under 75.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:The numbers of "total students" in this sheet are inaccurate for many of the schools. Makes me doubt the accuracy of the percentages.

Check APS's own "Monthly Enrollment" data from Oct 31, 2022 (Total amount of students by grade/school).

https://www.apsva.us/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/U-Mem_281_Membership_Summary-All.pdf


Compare it to its own "FARMS" data sheet, supposedly pulled from the system on the exact same date. Most of the school enrollments are different - W-L's enrollment is somehow off by 300 (!) students.

https://www.apsva.us/wp-content/uploads/2022/12/FREE-REDUCED-OCTOBER-31-2022.pdf

Combine that with the top 5 FARMS schools all being within a percentage point of each other, and this sheet seems suspect. Not that the problems stated in much of this thread aren't real - but the data can't be accurate. Not sure whether this is intentional, or incompetent, but either way, something's up.


I think the career center/Arl Tech kids are the difference for higher school.
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This is the first time these numbers have been reported since 2019, so we are seeing the impact of the school moves, pandemic changes, etc. Barrett, Barcroft, and Drew are all significantly higher.

BARRETT 74.91%
RANDOLPH 74.88%
BARCROFT 74.84%
CARLIN SPRINGS 74.82%
DREW 74.78%



The reason these schools are so different the previous years is because they actually stopped counting FRL kids at these schools. They are part of the program where ALL kids get free lunch and if you actually try to apply online you can not apply for these schools. seeing how close these numbers are to each other I am guess that they take an average based on the number of students to be roughly around 75%.



Citation?


My kid goes to one of these schools and when I tried to apply for FRL I was not able to?


So you’re just guessing at how they came up with the %?


no it is the fact that I know for a fact you can not apply for FRL at these schools and that all of the schools that are part of the program are less than .2% of each other tells me something. WIC, FAMIS and SNAP also do not ask what school your kids go to. So I know my kid is not included in these numbers.

Like if you really want I can ask the school? but the numbers kinda speak for itself no?
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Heck even FCCPS is above the lowest ones!
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Anonymous wrote:We are east of Glebe and rejoined from Fleet to Drew. Almost the entire neighborhood goes private. 3/4 kids in poverty and a large percent below grade level. No thanks. And spare me the you saved money by buying near Columbia Pike so you are condemned to failing schools and overwhelming AH. Spare me your all are welcome signs from North Arlington. Langston should mirror CP.


Sorry county is full. Get your neighbors to go to the school and FARMs will drop.


This response is why it’s unacceptable to force boundary changes that don’t involve upper north schools. This attitude of “sucks to be the rest of you who aren’t as wealthy as we are. Thanks for taking the hit so we can all feel better.”


Yep. NIMBY-ism at its finest.


What type of boundary changes do you want? If you want to significantly change #s it will require significant bussing.


That comment has been made and responded to multiple times in this thread.
The NIMBY comment was in response to the previous post - read it. Langston Blvd should mirror CP. PP's comment about taking the hit so the rest can fell better reflects the south taking all the density and majority of affordably housing, no room for more including in the north, so thanks!
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