What does anything you are saying have to do with ATS? |
Not PP, but a lot of ATS students have ended up at HBW. So, from that perspective, it's the same self-selected families factor - even though ATS and HBW styles couldn't be much farther apart. |
Not an ATS parent here - so hope you accept my ignorant opinion - but I agree. It is the neighborhood schools that "teach to the tests" which have lower standards than ATS has for its students. ATS' success is primarily due to the expectations and standards it sets for its students and the curriculum and instructional methods it employs. Lower the bar, kids will perform accordingly. Raise the bar, kids will perform accordingly. The rest of ATS' success is due to the students and families who choose to go there, who appreciate and want those higher standards and proven instruction methods and curricula, who don't mind or even value the structure and discipline and return to their neighborhood schools if they don't. |
Yes to this. I’m super excited about CKLA. It is based on the science of reading and has produced real results in districts that have adopted it. My concern is whether there was enough time for teacher training since I believe the new curriculum was adopted end of the previous school year. Our school just got the new CKLA materials last Friday. |
To emphasize your "for many reasons," this isn't usually due to methodology. Yes, some find it not a good fit; but often any who jump ship for high school do so because of HBW's lack of sports and marching band - not because the academic model doesn't suit them. Also, the model isn't what's attracting families the way it did originally. What's attracting families is HB's reputation and its size. Just about every single parent of an HB student or wanna-be-student has cited the smaller environment being better for their kid, for the more individualized attention and teacher-student relationships that smaller size brings. The second-most cited reason is because their kid is "different" or "quirky" or would be more welcomed and emotionally supported there than in their assigned high school. Not a single one ever mentions the HBW instructional model as their reason for applying. |
HB model, probably not. But ATS' "model" isn't structurally different just because teachers apply to work there. They have the same structure as any other elementary school (except Montessori with its extra staffing and specific teacher training requirements). So I disagree that you can't make all the elementary schools more like ATS - it's the curriculum and instruction, bringing kids up to the high standards rather than "meeting each child where they are" and setting standards accordingly. A student who is behind but makes "one year's progress" will still be behind next year. |
I agree with you. I was responding to the PP; my comment just followed yours. |
How does sending 250 kids back to 5 middle schools (so, adding 50 kids per school) and then pulling 250 kids out of three high schools (so, 85 kids per school) to go the Heights building do anything about crowding? Or even if you went up to, say, adding 300 kids. Across 4 grades. How does reducing the number of kids in each grade at Wakefield, W-L, and Yorktown by 25 do ANYTHING, really, about overcrowding? |
Do the same people who insist that ATS families have plenty of friends in the neighborhood also insist that the only way to know about ATS is to have kids who go there? |
They actually have a different model than many other (all?) schools in the upper grades, they don’t departmentalize. |
Huh? What are you talking about? I am specifically responding to PP’s insinuating that the reason ATS students do well is because ATS teaches to the test. How would PP know that ATS teaches to the test if PP has no experience with the school? |
Not PP but I definitely agree that more schools can become like ATS curriculum wise. I think this is already happening when it comes to structured literacy. I am not sure how this would apply to curriculum delivery. For example does CKLA require direct instruction which is the mode of instruction at ATS? (As a side note, see this article advocating for direct instruction: https://www.forbes.com/sites/nataliewexler/2021/03/24/the-power-and-pitfalls-of-letting-students-learn-through-experience/?sh=cb047164b23d ) . Also what about homework? Is this something all elementary schools should push or should that remain an ATS thing? While APS is moving towards structured literacy and hence becoming more like ATS in that regard it is moving away from homework. Another thing that distinguishes ATS is the focus on good behavior, character learning etc. |
Also would you mind elaborating on ATS not departmentalizing? I am an ATS parent so I’m not sure how it is elsewhere. But my impression is all schools have a homeroom teacher who teaches ELA/math/social studies and then specials teachers. |
We spent $30 million for 600 WL seats, so that change is worth $15M |
Schools teach to the test because if they didn’t their scores and accreditation suffer. They don’t have the luxury of a motivated parents for EVERY student like they have at ATS. You have incarcerated parents, foster kids, ESL, low income, on and on and like zero of that at ATS |