HB Woodlawn and ATS

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Do these schools cost more per student than the neighborhood schools do? It appears from DCUM that they are wildly popular. And there are overcrowding problems in APS. Or at least issues with APS deciding to supersize W-L, which no one wants. Is the school board considering adding another ATS and another Woodlawn?

No.

It makes zero sense that a family attracted to ATS would be interested in HB Woodlawn, however. In fact, I believe attending ATS should be a disqualification for applying for HB Woodlawn on many grounds.

That’s not what OP is talking about

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:They should get rid of HB all together and make it a HS.

Or at least make HB high school only. We have excess middle school capacity while overcrowded high schools. So we could have 300 more HBW high school students and those 300 middle school students absorbed by middle schools. Plus side: more students from each cohort GET TO GO TO HBW.

Someone brings this up on every thread that mentions HBW. It's not going to happen.

And someone mentions expanding the program. Also not going to happen when we have needs in all of our other schools.

There was a chance to expand the program when they built the new building, which could have gone a couple of floors higher and held 1300 students. And HB wailed and gnashed it's collective teeth and APS backed down.

I thought it was because building a couple more floors would have disproportionately raised the cost of the construction project?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do these schools cost more per student than the neighborhood schools do? It appears from DCUM that they are wildly popular. And there are overcrowding problems in APS. Or at least issues with APS deciding to supersize W-L, which no one wants. Is the school board considering adding another ATS and another Woodlawn?

No.

It makes zero sense that a family attracted to ATS would be interested in HB Woodlawn, however. In fact, I believe attending ATS should be a disqualification for applying for HB Woodlawn on many grounds.

But a PP on another thread claims HBW is more advanced academically and it’s schedule allows them to take more courses than at mainstream high schools. With its opt-in design it’s a defacto magnet for motivated students just like ATS.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They should get rid of HB all together and make it a HS.

Or at least make HB high school only. We have excess middle school capacity while overcrowded high schools. So we could have 300 more HBW high school students and those 300 middle school students absorbed by middle schools. Plus side: more students from each cohort GET TO GO TO HBW.

Someone brings this up on every thread that mentions HBW. It's not going to happen.

And someone mentions expanding the program. Also not going to happen when we have needs in all of our other schools.

There was a chance to expand the program when they built the new building, which could have gone a couple of floors higher and held 1300 students. And HB wailed and gnashed it's collective teeth and APS backed down.

I thought it was because building a couple more floors would have disproportionately raised the cost of the construction project?

Speaking of construction, I have a bridge to sell you.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do these schools cost more per student than the neighborhood schools do? It appears from DCUM that they are wildly popular. And there are overcrowding problems in APS. Or at least issues with APS deciding to supersize W-L, which no one wants. Is the school board considering adding another ATS and another Woodlawn?

No.

It makes zero sense that a family attracted to ATS would be interested in HB Woodlawn, however. In fact, I believe attending ATS should be a disqualification for applying for HB Woodlawn on many grounds.

But a PP on another thread claims HBW is more advanced academically and it’s schedule allows them to take more courses than at mainstream high schools. With its opt-in design it’s a defacto magnet for motivated students just like ATS.

ATS used a traditional teacher lead structured approach. HB is opposite.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do these schools cost more per student than the neighborhood schools do? It appears from DCUM that they are wildly popular. And there are overcrowding problems in APS. Or at least issues with APS deciding to supersize W-L, which no one wants. Is the school board considering adding another ATS and another Woodlawn?

No.

It makes zero sense that a family attracted to ATS would be interested in HB Woodlawn, however. In fact, I believe attending ATS should be a disqualification for applying for HB Woodlawn on many grounds.

But a PP on another thread claims HBW is more advanced academically and it’s schedule allows them to take more courses than at mainstream high schools. With its opt-in design it’s a defacto magnet for motivated students just like ATS.

HB is not more academically advanced. It is the same curriculum as other APS schools. They configure their schedule in a different way.

[Anonymous]

HBW parents have basically created their own private school funded by the county insulated from the overcrowding of other schools.

“ Yes, the academic profile of the average HB student is higher than the average at any of the neighborhood high schools, not because it’s a magnet school with admissions criteria, but because it tends to attract higher achievers as lottery applicants. It’s not like every 5th grader in the county applies to HB; the large majority don’t, and I suspect some families have never even heard of it.

It’s not that complicated, idiot.

It's not only the kids, it's the schedule. Kids take I think one more class than regular middle schools, so they only have each class four days instead of five. So they have less time to get through the same curriculum, which means the pace is quicker.”

They should be as overcrowded as the most overcrowded middle or high school. Instead they have smaller school with almost zero high need students.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do these schools cost more per student than the neighborhood schools do? It appears from DCUM that they are wildly popular. And there are overcrowding problems in APS. Or at least issues with APS deciding to supersize W-L, which no one wants. Is the school board considering adding another ATS and another Woodlawn?

No.

It makes zero sense that a family attracted to ATS would be interested in HB Woodlawn, however. In fact, I believe attending ATS should be a disqualification for applying for HB Woodlawn on many grounds.

But a PP on another thread claims HBW is more advanced academically and it’s schedule allows them to take more courses than at mainstream high schools. With its opt-in design it’s a defacto magnet for motivated students just like ATS.

HB is not more academically advanced. It is the same curriculum as other APS schools. They configure their schedule in a different way.

Well your fellow HBW parents claim differently. See PP post.

[Anonymous]

Two of my kids graduated from HB over 15 years ago. This same drivel was written then as it is now. No reason to be so damned jealous. Our kids at Yorktown got just as good an education.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do these schools cost more per student than the neighborhood schools do? It appears from DCUM that they are wildly popular. And there are overcrowding problems in APS. Or at least issues with APS deciding to supersize W-L, which no one wants. Is the school board considering adding another ATS and another Woodlawn?

No.

It makes zero sense that a family attracted to ATS would be interested in HB Woodlawn, however. In fact, I believe attending ATS should be a disqualification for applying for HB Woodlawn on many grounds.

Nobody cares what you believe... really.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Two of my kids graduated from HB over 15 years ago. This same drivel was written then as it is now. No reason to be so damned jealous. Our kids at Yorktown got just as good an education.

BS. 15 years ago the other high schools were not overcrowded anything like now nor as constrained by resources as the school board no longer cares about academics excellence as a goal for the system.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Two of my kids graduated from HB over 15 years ago. This same drivel was written then as it is now. No reason to be so damned jealous. Our kids at Yorktown got just as good an education.

BS. 15 years ago the other high schools were not overcrowded anything like now nor as constrained by resources as the school board no longer cares about academics excellence as a goal for the system.

My HB kid graduated in the last 5 years and didn't get great skills in math and a couple of the hard sciences. My other kids went to WL, IB and got a better education, imo. I blame the HB education on the fact that you have fewer teachers.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Two of my kids graduated from HB over 15 years ago. This same drivel was written then as it is now. No reason to be so damned jealous. Our kids at Yorktown got just as good an education.

BS. 15 years ago the other high schools were not overcrowded anything like now nor as constrained by resources as the school board no longer cares about academics excellence as a goal for the system.

Yes, there was crowding 15 years ago. Lots of it. It’s been a long-standing problem in Arlington. But individual class sizes at the neighborhood schools, then and now, were no larger than at HB.

STOP WHINING

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Two of my kids graduated from HB over 15 years ago. This same drivel was written then as it is now. No reason to be so damned jealous. Our kids at Yorktown got just as good an education.

BS. 15 years ago the other high schools were not overcrowded anything like now nor as constrained by resources as the school board no longer cares about academics excellence as a goal for the system.

Yes, there was crowding 15 years ago. Lots of it. It’s been a long-standing problem in Arlington. But individual class sizes at the neighborhood schools, then and now, were no larger than at HB.

STOP WHINING

Again BS. They are talking about night shifts now , nothing like that 15 years ago. WL was physically bigger back then FFS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Two of my kids graduated from HB over 15 years ago. This same drivel was written then as it is now. No reason to be so damned jealous. Our kids at Yorktown got just as good an education.

BS. 15 years ago the other high schools were not overcrowded anything like now nor as constrained by resources as the school board no longer cares about academics excellence as a goal for the system.

My HB kid graduated in the last 5 years and didn't get great skills in math and a couple of the hard sciences. My other kids went to WL, IB and got a better education, imo. I blame the HB education on the fact that you have fewer teachers.

This is interesting. If you make anything a scarce resource, though (like ATS and HB Woodlaw are) people will covet it just because it’s scarce. So adding more seats to schools that are just like ATS and Woodlawn would not only add seats but would make these schools less rare. Then the people who really want what they are offering will apply rather than people going just because they are a limited resource.