HB Woodlawn and ATS

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Anonymous wrote:Two of my kids graduated from HB over 15 years ago. This same drivel was written then as it is now. No reason to be so damned jealous. Our kids at Yorktown got just as good an education.

BS. 15 years ago the other high schools were not overcrowded anything like now nor as constrained by resources as the school board no longer cares about academics excellence as a goal for the system.

My HB kid graduated in the last 5 years and didn't get great skills in math and a couple of the hard sciences. My other kids went to WL, IB and got a better education, imo. I blame the HB education on the fact that you have fewer teachers.

This is interesting. If you make anything a scarce resource, though (like ATS and HB Woodlaw are) people will covet it just because it’s scarce. So adding more seats to schools that are just like ATS and Woodlawn would not only add seats but would make these schools less rare. Then the people who really want what they are offering will apply rather than people going just because they are a limited resource.

Baloney. People covet it because the school size is capped and it’s opt in so filters out ESL parents and checked out parents.

What on earth are you talking about? There is a large ESL population at ATS. https://schoolquality.virginia.gov/schools/arlington-traditional#

Why do people on this board love to make assumptions about ATS when they have no idea what they are talking about?

You can’t even be bother to think about your post can you?

Almost the ENTIRE cohort of ESL students (about 200) is about the same size of the VPI students who automatically are accepted (35 per year)

Which means for the general ATS lottery, almost zero ESL are accepted, because they don’t know or understand the value of applying. VPI is free preschool, with outreach to that community.

I dunno what you are talking about. Not all VPI a students are ESL students. My daughter’s friend is an ESL student but was never a VPI student. She entered in KG. They wouldn’t be qualified for VPI because they don’t meet the income limits. Are you assuming that every economically disadvantaged student speaks English as a second language or visa versa?

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Anonymous wrote:Two of my kids graduated from HB over 15 years ago. This same drivel was written then as it is now. No reason to be so damned jealous. Our kids at Yorktown got just as good an education.

BS. 15 years ago the other high schools were not overcrowded anything like now nor as constrained by resources as the school board no longer cares about academics excellence as a goal for the system.

My HB kid graduated in the last 5 years and didn't get great skills in math and a couple of the hard sciences. My other kids went to WL, IB and got a better education, imo. I blame the HB education on the fact that you have fewer teachers.

This is interesting. If you make anything a scarce resource, though (like ATS and HB Woodlaw are) people will covet it just because it’s scarce. So adding more seats to schools that are just like ATS and Woodlawn would not only add seats but would make these schools less rare. Then the people who really want what they are offering will apply rather than people going just because they are a limited resource.

If you add more schools like this, demand will fall. Many people want them because they’re “special.”’

You sound like a full-on crazy person. Like there are people applying to these schools solely because they have wait lists, and if the wait lists went away they would not apply. (That is my literal reading of your comment.)

There is no point in engaging with ATS and HB haters, nothing anyone says is going to get you to change your mind.

Why not spend some energy on Montessori or something for a while? They actually do get more funding per kid, or at least they used to.

I agree PP. These people sound unhinged. Literally every post on this group that mentions ATS or HB Woodlawn leads to a barrage of posts in response talking about how terrible the students are, the parents are, the schools are…. I wonder who these petty, childish parents are in real life

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Anonymous wrote:Two of my kids graduated from HB over 15 years ago. This same drivel was written then as it is now. No reason to be so damned jealous. Our kids at Yorktown got just as good an education.

BS. 15 years ago the other high schools were not overcrowded anything like now nor as constrained by resources as the school board no longer cares about academics excellence as a goal for the system.

My HB kid graduated in the last 5 years and didn't get great skills in math and a couple of the hard sciences. My other kids went to WL, IB and got a better education, imo. I blame the HB education on the fact that you have fewer teachers.

This is interesting. If you make anything a scarce resource, though (like ATS and HB Woodlaw are) people will covet it just because it’s scarce. So adding more seats to schools that are just like ATS and Woodlawn would not only add seats but would make these schools less rare. Then the people who really want what they are offering will apply rather than people going just because they are a limited resource.

Baloney. People covet it because the school size is capped and it’s opt in so filters out ESL parents and checked out parents.

What on earth are you talking about? There is a large ESL population at ATS. https://schoolquality.virginia.gov/schools/arlington-traditional#

Why do people on this board love to make assumptions about ATS when they have no idea what they are talking about?

You can’t even be bother to think about your post can you?

Almost the ENTIRE cohort of ESL students (about 200) is about the same size of the VPI students who automatically are accepted (35 per year)

Which means for the general ATS lottery, almost zero ESL are accepted, because they don’t know or understand the value of applying. VPI is free preschool, with outreach to that community.

Lmao this is untrue and amazing that just because people have the ability to infer, they think they have proven themselves correct.

Here's another inference:

People who hate on ATS do so because they didn't get a spot. They cover what they cannot have.

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Anonymous wrote:Two of my kids graduated from HB over 15 years ago. This same drivel was written then as it is now. No reason to be so damned jealous. Our kids at Yorktown got just as good an education.

BS. 15 years ago the other high schools were not overcrowded anything like now nor as constrained by resources as the school board no longer cares about academics excellence as a goal for the system.

My HB kid graduated in the last 5 years and didn't get great skills in math and a couple of the hard sciences. My other kids went to WL, IB and got a better education, imo. I blame the HB education on the fact that you have fewer teachers.

This is interesting. If you make anything a scarce resource, though (like ATS and HB Woodlaw are) people will covet it just because it’s scarce. So adding more seats to schools that are just like ATS and Woodlawn would not only add seats but would make these schools less rare. Then the people who really want what they are offering will apply rather than people going just because they are a limited resource.

Baloney. People covet it because the school size is capped and it’s opt in so filters out ESL parents and checked out parents.

What on earth are you talking about? There is a large ESL population at ATS. https://schoolquality.virginia.gov/schools/arlington-traditional#

Why do people on this board love to make assumptions about ATS when they have no idea what they are talking about?

You can’t even be bother to think about your post can you?

Almost the ENTIRE cohort of ESL students (about 200) is about the same size of the VPI students who automatically are accepted (35 per year)

Which means for the general ATS lottery, almost zero ESL are accepted, because they don’t know or understand the value of applying. VPI is free preschool, with outreach to that community.

Lmao this is untrue and amazing that just because people have the ability to infer, they think they have proven themselves correct.

Here's another inference:

People who hate on ATS do so because they didn't get a spot. They cover what they cannot have.

Blah meant to type covet.

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Anonymous wrote:Two of my kids graduated from HB over 15 years ago. This same drivel was written then as it is now. No reason to be so damned jealous. Our kids at Yorktown got just as good an education.

BS. 15 years ago the other high schools were not overcrowded anything like now nor as constrained by resources as the school board no longer cares about academics excellence as a goal for the system.

My HB kid graduated in the last 5 years and didn't get great skills in math and a couple of the hard sciences. My other kids went to WL, IB and got a better education, imo. I blame the HB education on the fact that you have fewer teachers.

This is interesting. If you make anything a scarce resource, though (like ATS and HB Woodlaw are) people will covet it just because it’s scarce. So adding more seats to schools that are just like ATS and Woodlawn would not only add seats but would make these schools less rare. Then the people who really want what they are offering will apply rather than people going just because they are a limited resource.

If you add more schools like this, demand will fall. Many people want them because they’re “special.”’

You sound like a full-on crazy person. Like there are people applying to these schools solely because they have wait lists, and if the wait lists went away they would not apply. (That is my literal reading of your comment.)

There is no point in engaging with ATS and HB haters, nothing anyone says is going to get you to change your mind.

Why not spend some energy on Montessori or something for a while? They actually do get more funding per kid, or at least they used to.

I agree PP. These people sound unhinged. Literally every post on this group that mentions ATS or HB Woodlawn leads to a barrage of posts in response talking about how terrible the students are, the parents are, the schools are…. I wonder who these petty, childish parents are in real life

These aren’t normal people. My neighbors kids go to ATS. They seem happy with the school and their children seem to be enjoying it. We never applied because I see no reason to. We are happy with our neighborhood school and I don’t begrudge our neighbors for choosing it over our neighborhood school. I do think kids lose out by not being in their neighborhood school but to each their own! Plus I’m sure ATS and option schools in general relieve at least some of the crowding in neighborhood schools. The school seems to be popular with nonwhite families and immigrants. Perhaps they are more conservative so the “traditional” nature of the school attracts them?

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Anonymous wrote:Two of my kids graduated from HB over 15 years ago. This same drivel was written then as it is now. No reason to be so damned jealous. Our kids at Yorktown got just as good an education.

BS. 15 years ago the other high schools were not overcrowded anything like now nor as constrained by resources as the school board no longer cares about academics excellence as a goal for the system.

My HB kid graduated in the last 5 years and didn't get great skills in math and a couple of the hard sciences. My other kids went to WL, IB and got a better education, imo. I blame the HB education on the fact that you have fewer teachers.

This is interesting. If you make anything a scarce resource, though (like ATS and HB Woodlaw are) people will covet it just because it’s scarce. So adding more seats to schools that are just like ATS and Woodlawn would not only add seats but would make these schools less rare. Then the people who really want what they are offering will apply rather than people going just because they are a limited resource.

I love this post. 1000% true (H-B math represented there.)

Any program that is different requires additional teacher training, bus schedules and other extras. Ask Barcroft - they recently ended a beloved special program due to $$ pressures. H-B and ATS also very much cause unnecessary dedicated resources to space. Schools were much less overcrowded 15 years ago. This specialty school thing needs to go away.

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Anonymous wrote:Two of my kids graduated from HB over 15 years ago. This same drivel was written then as it is now. No reason to be so damned jealous. Our kids at Yorktown got just as good an education.

BS. 15 years ago the other high schools were not overcrowded anything like now nor as constrained by resources as the school board no longer cares about academics excellence as a goal for the system.

My HB kid graduated in the last 5 years and didn't get great skills in math and a couple of the hard sciences. My other kids went to WL, IB and got a better education, imo. I blame the HB education on the fact that you have fewer teachers.

This is interesting. If you make anything a scarce resource, though (like ATS and HB Woodlaw are) people will covet it just because it’s scarce. So adding more seats to schools that are just like ATS and Woodlawn would not only add seats but would make these schools less rare. Then the people who really want what they are offering will apply rather than people going just because they are a limited resource.

Baloney. People covet it because the school size is capped and it’s opt in so filters out ESL parents and checked out parents.

What on earth are you talking about? There is a large ESL population at ATS. https://schoolquality.virginia.gov/schools/arlington-traditional#

Why do people on this board love to make assumptions about ATS when they have no idea what they are talking about?

You can’t even be bother to think about your post can you?

Almost the ENTIRE cohort of ESL students (about 200) is about the same size of the VPI students who automatically are accepted (35 per year)

Which means for the general ATS lottery, almost zero ESL are accepted, because they don’t know or understand the value of applying. VPI is free preschool, with outreach to that community.

I dunno what you are talking about. Not all VPI a students are ESL students. My daughter’s friend is an ESL student but was never a VPI student. She entered in KG. They wouldn’t be qualified for VPI because they don’t meet the income limits. Are you assuming that every economically disadvantaged student speaks English as a second language or visa versa?

“My best friend's sister's boyfriend's brother's girlfriend heard from this guy who knows this kid who's going with the girl who saw Ferris pass out at 31 Flavors last night”

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Anonymous wrote:Two of my kids graduated from HB over 15 years ago. This same drivel was written then as it is now. No reason to be so damned jealous. Our kids at Yorktown got just as good an education.

BS. 15 years ago the other high schools were not overcrowded anything like now nor as constrained by resources as the school board no longer cares about academics excellence as a goal for the system.

My HB kid graduated in the last 5 years and didn't get great skills in math and a couple of the hard sciences. My other kids went to WL, IB and got a better education, imo. I blame the HB education on the fact that you have fewer teachers.

This is interesting. If you make anything a scarce resource, though (like ATS and HB Woodlaw are) people will covet it just because it’s scarce. So adding more seats to schools that are just like ATS and Woodlawn would not only add seats but would make these schools less rare. Then the people who really want what they are offering will apply rather than people going just because they are a limited resource.

Baloney. People covet it because the school size is capped and it’s opt in so filters out ESL parents and checked out parents.

What on earth are you talking about? There is a large ESL population at ATS. https://schoolquality.virginia.gov/schools/arlington-traditional#

Why do people on this board love to make assumptions about ATS when they have no idea what they are talking about?

You can’t even be bother to think about your post can you?

Almost the ENTIRE cohort of ESL students (about 200) is about the same size of the VPI students who automatically are accepted (35 per year)

Which means for the general ATS lottery, almost zero ESL are accepted, because they don’t know or understand the value of applying. VPI is free preschool, with outreach to that community.

I dunno what you are talking about. Not all VPI a students are ESL students. My daughter’s friend is an ESL student but was never a VPI student. She entered in KG. They wouldn’t be qualified for VPI because they don’t meet the income limits. Are you assuming that every economically disadvantaged student speaks English as a second language or visa versa?

“My best friend's sister's boyfriend's brother's girlfriend heard from this guy who knows this kid who's going with the girl who saw Ferris pass out at 31 Flavors last night”

Wow you just don’t stop. It’s very simple: not all VPI students are ESL learners. Not all ESL learners are VPI students. You hate the school. We get it. But your kids aren’t in the school so why pretend you know what you are talking about when you don’t. You are acting so petty. Have some respect for yourself and grow up.

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Anonymous wrote:Two of my kids graduated from HB over 15 years ago. This same drivel was written then as it is now. No reason to be so damned jealous. Our kids at Yorktown got just as good an education.

BS. 15 years ago the other high schools were not overcrowded anything like now nor as constrained by resources as the school board no longer cares about academics excellence as a goal for the system.

My HB kid graduated in the last 5 years and didn't get great skills in math and a couple of the hard sciences. My other kids went to WL, IB and got a better education, imo. I blame the HB education on the fact that you have fewer teachers.

This is interesting. If you make anything a scarce resource, though (like ATS and HB Woodlaw are) people will covet it just because it’s scarce. So adding more seats to schools that are just like ATS and Woodlawn would not only add seats but would make these schools less rare. Then the people who really want what they are offering will apply rather than people going just because they are a limited resource.

I love this post. 1000% true (H-B math represented there.)

Any program that is different requires additional teacher training, bus schedules and other extras. Ask Barcroft - they recently ended a beloved special program due to $$ pressures. H-B and ATS also very much cause unnecessary dedicated resources to space. Schools were much less overcrowded 15 years ago. This specialty school thing needs to go away.

People apply to ATS because it is the top elementary school in Virginia among other reasons. It’s a simple as that. Now I for one believe that a school shouldn’t be judged on test scores and numbers alone. But the parents applying to ATS may believe otherwise. It has nothing to do with the length of the waiting list. The length of the waiting list is due to how popular the school is.

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Anonymous wrote:Two of my kids graduated from HB over 15 years ago. This same drivel was written then as it is now. No reason to be so damned jealous. Our kids at Yorktown got just as good an education.

BS. 15 years ago the other high schools were not overcrowded anything like now nor as constrained by resources as the school board no longer cares about academics excellence as a goal for the system.

My HB kid graduated in the last 5 years and didn't get great skills in math and a couple of the hard sciences. My other kids went to WL, IB and got a better education, imo. I blame the HB education on the fact that you have fewer teachers.

This is interesting. If you make anything a scarce resource, though (like ATS and HB Woodlaw are) people will covet it just because it’s scarce. So adding more seats to schools that are just like ATS and Woodlawn would not only add seats but would make these schools less rare. Then the people who really want what they are offering will apply rather than people going just because they are a limited resource.

I love this post. 1000% true (H-B math represented there.)

Any program that is different requires additional teacher training, bus schedules and other extras. Ask Barcroft - they recently ended a beloved special program due to $$ pressures. H-B and ATS also very much cause unnecessary dedicated resources to space. Schools were much less overcrowded 15 years ago. This specialty school thing needs to go away.

Seriously, why is Montessori not lumped into these discussions? They get aides in the classrooms through 5th grade, which other elementaries don’t. You lye the busing, dedicated building, etc.

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Anonymous wrote:Two of my kids graduated from HB over 15 years ago. This same drivel was written then as it is now. No reason to be so damned jealous. Our kids at Yorktown got just as good an education.

BS. 15 years ago the other high schools were not overcrowded anything like now nor as constrained by resources as the school board no longer cares about academics excellence as a goal for the system.

My HB kid graduated in the last 5 years and didn't get great skills in math and a couple of the hard sciences. My other kids went to WL, IB and got a better education, imo. I blame the HB education on the fact that you have fewer teachers.

This is interesting. If you make anything a scarce resource, though (like ATS and HB Woodlaw are) people will covet it just because it’s scarce. So adding more seats to schools that are just like ATS and Woodlawn would not only add seats but would make these schools less rare. Then the people who really want what they are offering will apply rather than people going just because they are a limited resource.

I love this post. 1000% true (H-B math represented there.)

Any program that is different requires additional teacher training, bus schedules and other extras. Ask Barcroft - they recently ended a beloved special program due to $$ pressures. H-B and ATS also very much cause unnecessary dedicated resources to space. Schools were much less overcrowded 15 years ago. This specialty school thing needs to go away.

Seriously, why is Montessori not lumped into these discussions? They get aides in the classrooms through 5th grade, which other elementaries don’t. You lye the busing, dedicated building, etc.

It’s not because clearly the reason we are having this discussion is not because people are concerned about resources but simply because they hate ATS and HB Woodlawn. If it were about resources then Montessori would be lumped into the discussion as well.

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Anonymous wrote:Two of my kids graduated from HB over 15 years ago. This same drivel was written then as it is now. No reason to be so damned jealous. Our kids at Yorktown got just as good an education.

BS. 15 years ago the other high schools were not overcrowded anything like now nor as constrained by resources as the school board no longer cares about academics excellence as a goal for the system.

My HB kid graduated in the last 5 years and didn't get great skills in math and a couple of the hard sciences. My other kids went to WL, IB and got a better education, imo. I blame the HB education on the fact that you have fewer teachers.

This is interesting. If you make anything a scarce resource, though (like ATS and HB Woodlaw are) people will covet it just because it’s scarce. So adding more seats to schools that are just like ATS and Woodlawn would not only add seats but would make these schools less rare. Then the people who really want what they are offering will apply rather than people going just because they are a limited resource.

I love this post. 1000% true (H-B math represented there.)

Any program that is different requires additional teacher training, bus schedules and other extras. Ask Barcroft - they recently ended a beloved special program due to $$ pressures. H-B and ATS also very much cause unnecessary dedicated resources to space. Schools were much less overcrowded 15 years ago. This specialty school thing needs to go away.

Seriously, why is Montessori not lumped into these discussions? They get aides in the classrooms through 5th grade, which other elementaries don’t. You lye the busing, dedicated building, etc.

It’s not because clearly the reason we are having this discussion is not because people are concerned about resources but simply because they hate ATS and HB Woodlawn. If it were about resources then Montessori would be lumped into the discussion as well.

It’s mostly because people are less familiar with Montessori (I thought it was actually only a low income program like VPI — doesn’t it accept most students from preschool and 80% are VPI eligible?). ATS and HB are much larger and don’t have the majority as low income program.

Attacking a low income program would be in poor taste, hence Montessori is spared. ATS and HBW are majority UMC families getting private school on public dime, so get have no so concern.

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Anonymous wrote:Two of my kids graduated from HB over 15 years ago. This same drivel was written then as it is now. No reason to be so damned jealous. Our kids at Yorktown got just as good an education.

BS. 15 years ago the other high schools were not overcrowded anything like now nor as constrained by resources as the school board no longer cares about academics excellence as a goal for the system.

My HB kid graduated in the last 5 years and didn't get great skills in math and a couple of the hard sciences. My other kids went to WL, IB and got a better education, imo. I blame the HB education on the fact that you have fewer teachers.

This is interesting. If you make anything a scarce resource, though (like ATS and HB Woodlaw are) people will covet it just because it’s scarce. So adding more seats to schools that are just like ATS and Woodlawn would not only add seats but would make these schools less rare. Then the people who really want what they are offering will apply rather than people going just because they are a limited resource.

I love this post. 1000% true (H-B math represented there.)

Any program that is different requires additional teacher training, bus schedules and other extras. Ask Barcroft - they recently ended a beloved special program due to $$ pressures. H-B and ATS also very much cause unnecessary dedicated resources to space. Schools were much less overcrowded 15 years ago. This specialty school thing needs to go away.

Seriously, why is Montessori not lumped into these discussions? They get aides in the classrooms through 5th grade, which other elementaries don’t. You lye the busing, dedicated building, etc.

It’s not because clearly the reason we are having this discussion is not because people are concerned about resources but simply because they hate ATS and HB Woodlawn. If it were about resources then Montessori would be lumped into the discussion as well.

It’s mostly because people are less familiar with Montessori (I thought it was actually only a low income program like VPI — doesn’t it accept most students from preschool and 80% are VPI eligible?). ATS and HB are much larger and don’t have the majority as low income program.

Attacking a low income program would be in poor taste, hence Montessori is spared. ATS and HBW are majority UMC families getting private school on public dime, so get have no so concern.

How do you know this? The stats only show free and reduced lunch eligible - they don't break down the rest into middle class or UMC.

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Anonymous wrote:Two of my kids graduated from HB over 15 years ago. This same drivel was written then as it is now. No reason to be so damned jealous. Our kids at Yorktown got just as good an education.

BS. 15 years ago the other high schools were not overcrowded anything like now nor as constrained by resources as the school board no longer cares about academics excellence as a goal for the system.

My HB kid graduated in the last 5 years and didn't get great skills in math and a couple of the hard sciences. My other kids went to WL, IB and got a better education, imo. I blame the HB education on the fact that you have fewer teachers.

This is interesting. If you make anything a scarce resource, though (like ATS and HB Woodlaw are) people will covet it just because it’s scarce. So adding more seats to schools that are just like ATS and Woodlawn would not only add seats but would make these schools less rare. Then the people who really want what they are offering will apply rather than people going just because they are a limited resource.

I love this post. 1000% true (H-B math represented there.)

Any program that is different requires additional teacher training, bus schedules and other extras. Ask Barcroft - they recently ended a beloved special program due to $$ pressures. H-B and ATS also very much cause unnecessary dedicated resources to space. Schools were much less overcrowded 15 years ago. This specialty school thing needs to go away.

Seriously, why is Montessori not lumped into these discussions? They get aides in the classrooms through 5th grade, which other elementaries don’t. You lye the busing, dedicated building, etc.

It’s not because clearly the reason we are having this discussion is not because people are concerned about resources but simply because they hate ATS and HB Woodlawn. If it were about resources then Montessori would be lumped into the discussion as well.

It’s mostly because people are less familiar with Montessori (I thought it was actually only a low income program like VPI — doesn’t it accept most students from preschool and 80% are VPI eligible?). ATS and HB are much larger and don’t have the majority as low income program.

Attacking a low income program would be in poor taste, hence Montessori is spared. ATS and HBW are majority UMC families getting private school on public dime, so get have no so concern.

As of 2019 ATS had a higher FARMS rate than Montessori

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Anonymous wrote:Two of my kids graduated from HB over 15 years ago. This same drivel was written then as it is now. No reason to be so damned jealous. Our kids at Yorktown got just as good an education.

BS. 15 years ago the other high schools were not overcrowded anything like now nor as constrained by resources as the school board no longer cares about academics excellence as a goal for the system.

My HB kid graduated in the last 5 years and didn't get great skills in math and a couple of the hard sciences. My other kids went to WL, IB and got a better education, imo. I blame the HB education on the fact that you have fewer teachers.

This is interesting. If you make anything a scarce resource, though (like ATS and HB Woodlaw are) people will covet it just because it’s scarce. So adding more seats to schools that are just like ATS and Woodlawn would not only add seats but would make these schools less rare. Then the people who really want what they are offering will apply rather than people going just because they are a limited resource.

I love this post. 1000% true (H-B math represented there.)

Any program that is different requires additional teacher training, bus schedules and other extras. Ask Barcroft - they recently ended a beloved special program due to $$ pressures. H-B and ATS also very much cause unnecessary dedicated resources to space. Schools were much less overcrowded 15 years ago. This specialty school thing needs to go away.

Seriously, why is Montessori not lumped into these discussions? They get aides in the classrooms through 5th grade, which other elementaries don’t. You lye the busing, dedicated building, etc.

It’s not because clearly the reason we are having this discussion is not because people are concerned about resources but simply because they hate ATS and HB Woodlawn. If it were about resources then Montessori would be lumped into the discussion as well.

It’s mostly because people are less familiar with Montessori (I thought it was actually only a low income program like VPI — doesn’t it accept most students from preschool and 80% are VPI eligible?). ATS and HB are much larger and don’t have the majority as low income program.

Attacking a low income program would be in poor taste, hence Montessori is spared. ATS and HBW are majority UMC families getting private school on public dime, so get have no so concern.

As of 2019 ATS had a higher FARMS rate than Montessori

https://www.apsva.us/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/SNPMonthlyEligibilityReport.pdf