What is it like being gen Ed at AAP center?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is some pretty gross ableism going on in this thread. Some of the smartest people I know as adults were thought to be “slow” as kids because they had undiagnosed dyslexia. And these people bragging about getting away from certain types of kids seem to be forgetting about the twice exceptional kids that can be quite challenging. I hope karma comes for some of you smug AAP parents.

+100
Just gross. Much like the parents at the AAP center school my kids had to attend.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:AAP goes out the door in 7th grade. I have had kids in both programs. When your child is young and the "first kid", this seems to be when most parents are more anxious about getting into AAP.. By the time they get to middle school and certainly high school you realize it wasn't worth the stress. One "possible" perk could be peer group but I will say, my middle child did not have the positive peer group in AAP that my older one did. So, at least for me, my belief is that is just depends on the class year as a whole. Youngest is not in AAP at a center and all has been fine. In fact it has been the smallest AAP class this school has had. 3rd grade GE teacher incorporated a ton of "AAP" curriculum-could be teacher dependent. Things seem to be really changing.

Funny, for our pyramid, 7th and 8th being separated is the biggest benefit

Yes. My kid can attend a better middle school due to AAP. Way less problems, drugs, behavior issues. More academic focus and kids on the right track. Thank God for AAP!

Then go to high school with those you done want in your middle school.

Nope, by then my kid will be in mostly AP classes and will rarely have to see those kids.

You do realize in high school, AP classes are open to all? Get a clue. Many former GE kids outshine their former AAP peers in high school. Brace yourself!
DP

LD kids will be in AP classes? Doubtful.

+1 or kids who can’t read/write? They won’t be in any of my kids’ core classes, sorry. No matter how much you like to parrot “but they’re open to anyone!” No, the reality is only certain types of students can handle those classes. A kid who can’t read isn’t signing up for an AP class.

We’re not talking about “a kid who can’t read.” We’re talking about all the bright, formerly GE kids who were indistinguishable from your AAP kid. They will all be in the same advanced classes in high school.

Well I am. I’m talking about kids who can’t read, special Ed, major issues. In AAP in elementary, and to an extent in middle, you get away from those kids. They won’t be in your classes. That is part of the draw of AAP in Elementary for many parents. And this will continue in high school. Those kids will never join honors of AP classes.

Interesting. Most of the poorly behaved kids at our elementary school are in AAP. I feel sorry for those teachers.

You’d like to think that to make yourself feel better but it just isn’t true. Teachers love teaching the AAP class. They have fewer behavioral issues and more kids who can do and have great family support and want to learn! They don’t have nearly as many IEP or 504 meetings to prepare for and sit in on. It is just so much easier teaching the AAP kids.

Hoo boy... here is someone who clearly doesn't have a clue what they're talking about. There is a much greater likelihood of an AAP kid having an IEP or 504 than a GE kid. Ask me how I know - my sister is an AAP 4th grade teacher and has told nightmare stories about some of the kids she has in her class. Every day, the principal has to take at least one or two out in the hall and let them have it. Their behavior is abysmal. Much more so than in the GE classes. My sister said she regrets getting the extra credential which allow her to teach AAP - it's just not worth it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:AAP goes out the door in 7th grade. I have had kids in both programs. When your child is young and the "first kid", this seems to be when most parents are more anxious about getting into AAP.. By the time they get to middle school and certainly high school you realize it wasn't worth the stress. One "possible" perk could be peer group but I will say, my middle child did not have the positive peer group in AAP that my older one did. So, at least for me, my belief is that is just depends on the class year as a whole. Youngest is not in AAP at a center and all has been fine. In fact it has been the smallest AAP class this school has had. 3rd grade GE teacher incorporated a ton of "AAP" curriculum-could be teacher dependent. Things seem to be really changing.

Funny, for our pyramid, 7th and 8th being separated is the biggest benefit

Yes. My kid can attend a better middle school due to AAP. Way less problems, drugs, behavior issues. More academic focus and kids on the right track. Thank God for AAP!

Then go to high school with those you done want in your middle school.

Nope, by then my kid will be in mostly AP classes and will rarely have to see those kids.

You do realize in high school, AP classes are open to all? Get a clue. Many former GE kids outshine their former AAP peers in high school. Brace yourself!
DP

LD kids will be in AP classes? Doubtful.

+1 or kids who can’t read/write? They won’t be in any of my kids’ core classes, sorry. No matter how much you like to parrot “but they’re open to anyone!” No, the reality is only certain types of students can handle those classes. A kid who can’t read isn’t signing up for an AP class.

We’re not talking about “a kid who can’t read.” We’re talking about all the bright, formerly GE kids who were indistinguishable from your AAP kid. They will all be in the same advanced classes in high school.

Well I am. I’m talking about kids who can’t read, special Ed, major issues. In AAP in elementary, and to an extent in middle, you get away from those kids. They won’t be in your classes. That is part of the draw of AAP in Elementary for many parents. And this will continue in high school. Those kids will never join honors of AP classes.

Interesting. Most of the poorly behaved kids at our elementary school are in AAP. I feel sorry for those teachers.

You’d like to think that to make yourself feel better but it just isn’t true. Teachers love teaching the AAP class. They have fewer behavioral issues and more kids who can do and have great family support and want to learn! They don’t have nearly as many IEP or 504 meetings to prepare for and sit in on. It is just so much easier teaching the AAP kids.

Hoo boy... here is someone who clearly doesn't have a clue what they're talking about. There is a much greater likelihood of an AAP kid having an IEP or 504 than a GE kid. Ask me how I know - my sister is an AAP 4th grade teacher and has told nightmare stories about some of the kids she has in her class. Every day, the principal has to take at least one or two out in the hall and let them have it. Their behavior is abysmal. Much more so than in the GE classes. My sister said she regrets getting the extra credential which allow her to teach AAP - it's just not worth it.

The kids might have supportive families but they also might have families that work A LOT. They also might be bored if the teacher needs to cover the standards they’re supposed to but the kid is still so far ahead due to all their courses taken outside of school.

Also, twice exceptional like someone said.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:AAP goes out the door in 7th grade. I have had kids in both programs. When your child is young and the "first kid", this seems to be when most parents are more anxious about getting into AAP.. By the time they get to middle school and certainly high school you realize it wasn't worth the stress. One "possible" perk could be peer group but I will say, my middle child did not have the positive peer group in AAP that my older one did. So, at least for me, my belief is that is just depends on the class year as a whole. Youngest is not in AAP at a center and all has been fine. In fact it has been the smallest AAP class this school has had. 3rd grade GE teacher incorporated a ton of "AAP" curriculum-could be teacher dependent. Things seem to be really changing.

Funny, for our pyramid, 7th and 8th being separated is the biggest benefit

Yes. My kid can attend a better middle school due to AAP. Way less problems, drugs, behavior issues. More academic focus and kids on the right track. Thank God for AAP!

Then go to high school with those you done want in your middle school.

Nope, by then my kid will be in mostly AP classes and will rarely have to see those kids.

You do realize in high school, AP classes are open to all? Get a clue. Many former GE kids outshine their former AAP peers in high school. Brace yourself!
DP

LD kids will be in AP classes? Doubtful.

+1 or kids who can’t read/write? They won’t be in any of my kids’ core classes, sorry. No matter how much you like to parrot “but they’re open to anyone!” No, the reality is only certain types of students can handle those classes. A kid who can’t read isn’t signing up for an AP class.

We’re not talking about “a kid who can’t read.” We’re talking about all the bright, formerly GE kids who were indistinguishable from your AAP kid. They will all be in the same advanced classes in high school.

Well I am. I’m talking about kids who can’t read, special Ed, major issues. In AAP in elementary, and to an extent in middle, you get away from those kids. They won’t be in your classes. That is part of the draw of AAP in Elementary for many parents. And this will continue in high school. Those kids will never join honors of AP classes.

Interesting. Most of the poorly behaved kids at our elementary school are in AAP. I feel sorry for those teachers.

You’d like to think that to make yourself feel better but it just isn’t true. Teachers love teaching the AAP class. They have fewer behavioral issues and more kids who can do and have great family support and want to learn! They don’t have nearly as many IEP or 504 meetings to prepare for and sit in on. It is just so much easier teaching the AAP kids.

Hoo boy... here is someone who clearly doesn't have a clue what they're talking about. There is a much greater likelihood of an AAP kid having an IEP or 504 than a GE kid. Ask me how I know - my sister is an AAP 4th grade teacher and has told nightmare stories about some of the kids she has in her class. Every day, the principal has to take at least one or two out in the hall and let them have it. Their behavior is abysmal. Much more so than in the GE classes. My sister said she regrets getting the extra credential which allow her to teach AAP - it's just not worth it.

Well gosh darn it, if your sister says it, it must be true for all. Lol.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:AAP goes out the door in 7th grade. I have had kids in both programs. When your child is young and the "first kid", this seems to be when most parents are more anxious about getting into AAP.. By the time they get to middle school and certainly high school you realize it wasn't worth the stress. One "possible" perk could be peer group but I will say, my middle child did not have the positive peer group in AAP that my older one did. So, at least for me, my belief is that is just depends on the class year as a whole. Youngest is not in AAP at a center and all has been fine. In fact it has been the smallest AAP class this school has had. 3rd grade GE teacher incorporated a ton of "AAP" curriculum-could be teacher dependent. Things seem to be really changing.

Funny, for our pyramid, 7th and 8th being separated is the biggest benefit

Yes. My kid can attend a better middle school due to AAP. Way less problems, drugs, behavior issues. More academic focus and kids on the right track. Thank God for AAP!

Then go to high school with those you done want in your middle school.

Nope, by then my kid will be in mostly AP classes and will rarely have to see those kids.

You do realize in high school, AP classes are open to all? Get a clue. Many former GE kids outshine their former AAP peers in high school. Brace yourself!
DP

LD kids will be in AP classes? Doubtful.

+1 or kids who can’t read/write? They won’t be in any of my kids’ core classes, sorry. No matter how much you like to parrot “but they’re open to anyone!” No, the reality is only certain types of students can handle those classes. A kid who can’t read isn’t signing up for an AP class.

We’re not talking about “a kid who can’t read.” We’re talking about all the bright, formerly GE kids who were indistinguishable from your AAP kid. They will all be in the same advanced classes in high school.

Well I am. I’m talking about kids who can’t read, special Ed, major issues. In AAP in elementary, and to an extent in middle, you get away from those kids. They won’t be in your classes. That is part of the draw of AAP in Elementary for many parents. And this will continue in high school. Those kids will never join honors of AP classes.

Interesting. Most of the poorly behaved kids at our elementary school are in AAP. I feel sorry for those teachers.

You’d like to think that to make yourself feel better but it just isn’t true. Teachers love teaching the AAP class. They have fewer behavioral issues and more kids who can do and have great family support and want to learn! They don’t have nearly as many IEP or 504 meetings to prepare for and sit in on. It is just so much easier teaching the AAP kids.

Hoo boy... here is someone who clearly doesn't have a clue what they're talking about. There is a much greater likelihood of an AAP kid having an IEP or 504 than a GE kid. Ask me how I know - my sister is an AAP 4th grade teacher and has told nightmare stories about some of the kids she has in her class. Every day, the principal has to take at least one or two out in the hall and let them have it. Their behavior is abysmal. Much more so than in the GE classes. My sister said she regrets getting the extra credential which allow her to teach AAP - it's just not worth it.

I know exactly what I’m talking about, having taught AAP myself in FCPS. Gen Ed deals with those kind of kids way more than AAP. Lol.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:AAP goes out the door in 7th grade. I have had kids in both programs. When your child is young and the "first kid", this seems to be when most parents are more anxious about getting into AAP.. By the time they get to middle school and certainly high school you realize it wasn't worth the stress. One "possible" perk could be peer group but I will say, my middle child did not have the positive peer group in AAP that my older one did. So, at least for me, my belief is that is just depends on the class year as a whole. Youngest is not in AAP at a center and all has been fine. In fact it has been the smallest AAP class this school has had. 3rd grade GE teacher incorporated a ton of "AAP" curriculum-could be teacher dependent. Things seem to be really changing.

Funny, for our pyramid, 7th and 8th being separated is the biggest benefit

Yes. My kid can attend a better middle school due to AAP. Way less problems, drugs, behavior issues. More academic focus and kids on the right track. Thank God for AAP!

Then go to high school with those you done want in your middle school.

Nope, by then my kid will be in mostly AP classes and will rarely have to see those kids.

You do realize in high school, AP classes are open to all? Get a clue. Many former GE kids outshine their former AAP peers in high school. Brace yourself!
DP

LD kids will be in AP classes? Doubtful.

+1 or kids who can’t read/write? They won’t be in any of my kids’ core classes, sorry. No matter how much you like to parrot “but they’re open to anyone!” No, the reality is only certain types of students can handle those classes. A kid who can’t read isn’t signing up for an AP class.

We’re not talking about “a kid who can’t read.” We’re talking about all the bright, formerly GE kids who were indistinguishable from your AAP kid. They will all be in the same advanced classes in high school.

Well I am. I’m talking about kids who can’t read, special Ed, major issues. In AAP in elementary, and to an extent in middle, you get away from those kids. They won’t be in your classes. That is part of the draw of AAP in Elementary for many parents. And this will continue in high school. Those kids will never join honors of AP classes.

Interesting. Most of the poorly behaved kids at our elementary school are in AAP. I feel sorry for those teachers.

You’d like to think that to make yourself feel better but it just isn’t true. Teachers love teaching the AAP class. They have fewer behavioral issues and more kids who can do and have great family support and want to learn! They don’t have nearly as many IEP or 504 meetings to prepare for and sit in on. It is just so much easier teaching the AAP kids.

Hoo boy... here is someone who clearly doesn't have a clue what they're talking about. There is a much greater likelihood of an AAP kid having an IEP or 504 than a GE kid. Ask me how I know - my sister is an AAP 4th grade teacher and has told nightmare stories about some of the kids she has in her class. Every day, the principal has to take at least one or two out in the hall and let them have it. Their behavior is abysmal. Much more so than in the GE classes. My sister said she regrets getting the extra credential which allow her to teach AAP - it's just not worth it.

Now this is just not true at all. Now I know you really don’t have a clue.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:AAP goes out the door in 7th grade. I have had kids in both programs. When your child is young and the "first kid", this seems to be when most parents are more anxious about getting into AAP.. By the time they get to middle school and certainly high school you realize it wasn't worth the stress. One "possible" perk could be peer group but I will say, my middle child did not have the positive peer group in AAP that my older one did. So, at least for me, my belief is that is just depends on the class year as a whole. Youngest is not in AAP at a center and all has been fine. In fact it has been the smallest AAP class this school has had. 3rd grade GE teacher incorporated a ton of "AAP" curriculum-could be teacher dependent. Things seem to be really changing.

Funny, for our pyramid, 7th and 8th being separated is the biggest benefit

Yes. My kid can attend a better middle school due to AAP. Way less problems, drugs, behavior issues. More academic focus and kids on the right track. Thank God for AAP!

Then go to high school with those you done want in your middle school.

Nope, by then my kid will be in mostly AP classes and will rarely have to see those kids.

You do realize in high school, AP classes are open to all? Get a clue. Many former GE kids outshine their former AAP peers in high school. Brace yourself!
DP

LD kids will be in AP classes? Doubtful.

+1 or kids who can’t read/write? They won’t be in any of my kids’ core classes, sorry. No matter how much you like to parrot “but they’re open to anyone!” No, the reality is only certain types of students can handle those classes. A kid who can’t read isn’t signing up for an AP class.

We’re not talking about “a kid who can’t read.” We’re talking about all the bright, formerly GE kids who were indistinguishable from your AAP kid. They will all be in the same advanced classes in high school.

Well I am. I’m talking about kids who can’t read, special Ed, major issues. In AAP in elementary, and to an extent in middle, you get away from those kids. They won’t be in your classes. That is part of the draw of AAP in Elementary for many parents. And this will continue in high school. Those kids will never join honors of AP classes.

Interesting. Most of the poorly behaved kids at our elementary school are in AAP. I feel sorry for those teachers.

You’d like to think that to make yourself feel better but it just isn’t true. Teachers love teaching the AAP class. They have fewer behavioral issues and more kids who can do and have great family support and want to learn! They don’t have nearly as many IEP or 504 meetings to prepare for and sit in on. It is just so much easier teaching the AAP kids.

Hoo boy... here is someone who clearly doesn't have a clue what they're talking about. There is a much greater likelihood of an AAP kid having an IEP or 504 than a GE kid. Ask me how I know - my sister is an AAP 4th grade teacher and has told nightmare stories about some of the kids she has in her class. Every day, the principal has to take at least one or two out in the hall and let them have it. Their behavior is abysmal. Much more so than in the GE classes. My sister said she regrets getting the extra credential which allow her to teach AAP - it's just not worth it.

So have her tell her principal she no longer wishes to teach AAP and would rather go back to gen Ed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:AAP goes out the door in 7th grade. I have had kids in both programs. When your child is young and the "first kid", this seems to be when most parents are more anxious about getting into AAP.. By the time they get to middle school and certainly high school you realize it wasn't worth the stress. One "possible" perk could be peer group but I will say, my middle child did not have the positive peer group in AAP that my older one did. So, at least for me, my belief is that is just depends on the class year as a whole. Youngest is not in AAP at a center and all has been fine. In fact it has been the smallest AAP class this school has had. 3rd grade GE teacher incorporated a ton of "AAP" curriculum-could be teacher dependent. Things seem to be really changing.

Funny, for our pyramid, 7th and 8th being separated is the biggest benefit

Can't gen ed kids elect to take honors classes at that point? BTW, My AAP 7th grader only has core AA classes; the rest of the classes are not "separated."

Yes, but the AAP classes are different and this is a school where everyone is encouraged to take honors

It depends on the MS school. Some AAP and honors are the same.

The students are separated. At schools with a lot of farms students encouraged to try honors, the classes will end up moving at very different paces.

I think the point people are trying to make is that IT DOES NOT Matter! By the time you get to MS and opt to take HN or in AAP, your day is MIXED with ALL kids. Math is completely separate-so that really can not be counted. LA, History, Sci may or may not be separated by AAP/HN/Regular BUT ALL other classes( PE, 2 electives or Foreign Language, "Mascot" Time, Lunch) are ALL MIXED. Plus by this point, your kids are friends with all kids from sports teams and other extra activities that the "peer" group thing becomes much less of a thing. By HS ALL kids can chose EVERY CLASS that they take regardless of in AAP,HN, GE etc. A ton of kids not in AAP(from ES) take Honors and AP or IB classes in HS.

I’m not counting lunch, study hall, those bullsh*t electives, or even PE as real classes. I don’t care if those classes are mixed. I only care about the core classes and I’m thankful my child is in AAP and surrounded by academically like minded peers.

Do you really believe that kids who can't come close to passing an SOL coming out of Hybla Valley taking honors because they were told everyone should try honors classes isn't going to slow classes?

No, and from my posts you would get that. I was saying I don’t care if those lower kids are in other classes like PE or lunch. I don’t want them in the core classes. How do you not get that?

Cringe. The way you refer to “lower kids” is cringe-worthy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:AAP goes out the door in 7th grade. I have had kids in both programs. When your child is young and the "first kid", this seems to be when most parents are more anxious about getting into AAP.. By the time they get to middle school and certainly high school you realize it wasn't worth the stress. One "possible" perk could be peer group but I will say, my middle child did not have the positive peer group in AAP that my older one did. So, at least for me, my belief is that is just depends on the class year as a whole. Youngest is not in AAP at a center and all has been fine. In fact it has been the smallest AAP class this school has had. 3rd grade GE teacher incorporated a ton of "AAP" curriculum-could be teacher dependent. Things seem to be really changing.

Funny, for our pyramid, 7th and 8th being separated is the biggest benefit

Yes. My kid can attend a better middle school due to AAP. Way less problems, drugs, behavior issues. More academic focus and kids on the right track. Thank God for AAP!

Then go to high school with those you done want in your middle school.

Nope, by then my kid will be in mostly AP classes and will rarely have to see those kids.

You do realize in high school, AP classes are open to all? Get a clue. Many former GE kids outshine their former AAP peers in high school. Brace yourself!
DP

LD kids will be in AP classes? Doubtful.

+1 or kids who can’t read/write? They won’t be in any of my kids’ core classes, sorry. No matter how much you like to parrot “but they’re open to anyone!” No, the reality is only certain types of students can handle those classes. A kid who can’t read isn’t signing up for an AP class.

We’re not talking about “a kid who can’t read.” We’re talking about all the bright, formerly GE kids who were indistinguishable from your AAP kid. They will all be in the same advanced classes in high school.

Well I am. I’m talking about kids who can’t read, special Ed, major issues. In AAP in elementary, and to an extent in middle, you get away from those kids. They won’t be in your classes. That is part of the draw of AAP in Elementary for many parents. And this will continue in high school. Those kids will never join honors of AP classes.

Interesting. Most of the poorly behaved kids at our elementary school are in AAP. I feel sorry for those teachers.

You’d like to think that to make yourself feel better but it just isn’t true. Teachers love teaching the AAP class. They have fewer behavioral issues and more kids who can do and have great family support and want to learn! They don’t have nearly as many IEP or 504 meetings to prepare for and sit in on. It is just so much easier teaching the AAP kids.

Our school's resident third grade chair thrower will be at a center this year. The team isn't exactly upset they're gone. I wonder what the parents at the center will think of their kids' daily evacuations to the hall

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:AAP goes out the door in 7th grade. I have had kids in both programs. When your child is young and the "first kid", this seems to be when most parents are more anxious about getting into AAP.. By the time they get to middle school and certainly high school you realize it wasn't worth the stress. One "possible" perk could be peer group but I will say, my middle child did not have the positive peer group in AAP that my older one did. So, at least for me, my belief is that is just depends on the class year as a whole. Youngest is not in AAP at a center and all has been fine. In fact it has been the smallest AAP class this school has had. 3rd grade GE teacher incorporated a ton of "AAP" curriculum-could be teacher dependent. Things seem to be really changing.

Funny, for our pyramid, 7th and 8th being separated is the biggest benefit

Yes. My kid can attend a better middle school due to AAP. Way less problems, drugs, behavior issues. More academic focus and kids on the right track. Thank God for AAP!

Then go to high school with those you done want in your middle school.

Nope, by then my kid will be in mostly AP classes and will rarely have to see those kids.

You do realize in high school, AP classes are open to all? Get a clue. Many former GE kids outshine their former AAP peers in high school. Brace yourself!
DP

LD kids will be in AP classes? Doubtful.

+1 or kids who can’t read/write? They won’t be in any of my kids’ core classes, sorry. No matter how much you like to parrot “but they’re open to anyone!” No, the reality is only certain types of students can handle those classes. A kid who can’t read isn’t signing up for an AP class.

We’re not talking about “a kid who can’t read.” We’re talking about all the bright, formerly GE kids who were indistinguishable from your AAP kid. They will all be in the same advanced classes in high school.

Well I am. I’m talking about kids who can’t read, special Ed, major issues. In AAP in elementary, and to an extent in middle, you get away from those kids. They won’t be in your classes. That is part of the draw of AAP in Elementary for many parents. And this will continue in high school. Those kids will never join honors of AP classes.

Interesting. Most of the poorly behaved kids at our elementary school are in AAP. I feel sorry for those teachers.

You’d like to think that to make yourself feel better but it just isn’t true. Teachers love teaching the AAP class. They have fewer behavioral issues and more kids who can do and have great family support and want to learn! They don’t have nearly as many IEP or 504 meetings to prepare for and sit in on. It is just so much easier teaching the AAP kids.

Our school's resident third grade chair thrower will be at a center this year. The team isn't exactly upset they're gone. I wonder what the parents at the center will think of their kids' daily evacuations to the hall

LOL, I had a chair thrower and desk flipper last year - good luck to that teacher.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:AAP goes out the door in 7th grade. I have had kids in both programs. When your child is young and the "first kid", this seems to be when most parents are more anxious about getting into AAP.. By the time they get to middle school and certainly high school you realize it wasn't worth the stress. One "possible" perk could be peer group but I will say, my middle child did not have the positive peer group in AAP that my older one did. So, at least for me, my belief is that is just depends on the class year as a whole. Youngest is not in AAP at a center and all has been fine. In fact it has been the smallest AAP class this school has had. 3rd grade GE teacher incorporated a ton of "AAP" curriculum-could be teacher dependent. Things seem to be really changing.

Funny, for our pyramid, 7th and 8th being separated is the biggest benefit

Can't gen ed kids elect to take honors classes at that point? BTW, My AAP 7th grader only has core AA classes; the rest of the classes are not "separated."

Yes, but the AAP classes are different and this is a school where everyone is encouraged to take honors

It depends on the MS school. Some AAP and honors are the same.

The students are separated. At schools with a lot of farms students encouraged to try honors, the classes will end up moving at very different paces.

I think the point people are trying to make is that IT DOES NOT Matter! By the time you get to MS and opt to take HN or in AAP, your day is MIXED with ALL kids. Math is completely separate-so that really can not be counted. LA, History, Sci may or may not be separated by AAP/HN/Regular BUT ALL other classes( PE, 2 electives or Foreign Language, "Mascot" Time, Lunch) are ALL MIXED. Plus by this point, your kids are friends with all kids from sports teams and other extra activities that the "peer" group thing becomes much less of a thing. By HS ALL kids can chose EVERY CLASS that they take regardless of in AAP,HN, GE etc. A ton of kids not in AAP(from ES) take Honors and AP or IB classes in HS.

I’m not counting lunch, study hall, those bullsh*t electives, or even PE as real classes. I don’t care if those classes are mixed. I only care about the core classes and I’m thankful my child is in AAP and surrounded by academically like minded peers.

Do you really believe that kids who can't come close to passing an SOL coming out of Hybla Valley taking honors because they were told everyone should try honors classes isn't going to slow classes?

No, and from my posts you would get that. I was saying I don’t care if those lower kids are in other classes like PE or lunch. I don’t want them in the core classes. How do you not get that?

Cringe. The way you refer to “lower kids” is cringe-worthy.

Totally agreed. I could get angry. But instead I'll say Just. You. Wait.

What are you going to do when your DC falls head over heels for one of these "proles"? Or full on rebels and enjoys ticking you off by not doing their work? Or better yet, becomes so stressed out that they begin self-medicating with substances procured by UMC "like minded peers". The point is, you have no idea what the future holds so humble yourself.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:AAP goes out the door in 7th grade. I have had kids in both programs. When your child is young and the "first kid", this seems to be when most parents are more anxious about getting into AAP.. By the time they get to middle school and certainly high school you realize it wasn't worth the stress. One "possible" perk could be peer group but I will say, my middle child did not have the positive peer group in AAP that my older one did. So, at least for me, my belief is that is just depends on the class year as a whole. Youngest is not in AAP at a center and all has been fine. In fact it has been the smallest AAP class this school has had. 3rd grade GE teacher incorporated a ton of "AAP" curriculum-could be teacher dependent. Things seem to be really changing.

Funny, for our pyramid, 7th and 8th being separated is the biggest benefit

Yes. My kid can attend a better middle school due to AAP. Way less problems, drugs, behavior issues. More academic focus and kids on the right track. Thank God for AAP!

Then go to high school with those you done want in your middle school.

Nope, by then my kid will be in mostly AP classes and will rarely have to see those kids.

You do realize in high school, AP classes are open to all? Get a clue. Many former GE kids outshine their former AAP peers in high school. Brace yourself!
DP

LD kids will be in AP classes? Doubtful.

+1 or kids who can’t read/write? They won’t be in any of my kids’ core classes, sorry. No matter how much you like to parrot “but they’re open to anyone!” No, the reality is only certain types of students can handle those classes. A kid who can’t read isn’t signing up for an AP class.

We’re not talking about “a kid who can’t read.” We’re talking about all the bright, formerly GE kids who were indistinguishable from your AAP kid. They will all be in the same advanced classes in high school.

Well I am. I’m talking about kids who can’t read, special Ed, major issues. In AAP in elementary, and to an extent in middle, you get away from those kids. They won’t be in your classes. That is part of the draw of AAP in Elementary for many parents. And this will continue in high school. Those kids will never join honors of AP classes.

Interesting. Most of the poorly behaved kids at our elementary school are in AAP. I feel sorry for those teachers.

You’d like to think that to make yourself feel better but it just isn’t true. Teachers love teaching the AAP class. They have fewer behavioral issues and more kids who can do and have great family support and want to learn! They don’t have nearly as many IEP or 504 meetings to prepare for and sit in on. It is just so much easier teaching the AAP kids.

Hoo boy... here is someone who clearly doesn't have a clue what they're talking about. There is a much greater likelihood of an AAP kid having an IEP or 504 than a GE kid. Ask me how I know - my sister is an AAP 4th grade teacher and has told nightmare stories about some of the kids she has in her class. Every day, the principal has to take at least one or two out in the hall and let them have it. Their behavior is abysmal. Much more so than in the GE classes. My sister said she regrets getting the extra credential which allow her to teach AAP - it's just not worth it.

Well gosh darn it, if your sister says it, it must be true for all. Lol.

Actually, I have a couple AAP teacher friends and they say the same. Further, as someone who has volunteered in the ES for years (in both classes) the AAP kids have their own challenges. Hyper competitive. Overly focused on what's fair/not. Hyper-focused on rules. Stressed due to expectations of perfection. In short, many of them are really, really hard to deal with.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:AAP goes out the door in 7th grade. I have had kids in both programs. When your child is young and the "first kid", this seems to be when most parents are more anxious about getting into AAP.. By the time they get to middle school and certainly high school you realize it wasn't worth the stress. One "possible" perk could be peer group but I will say, my middle child did not have the positive peer group in AAP that my older one did. So, at least for me, my belief is that is just depends on the class year as a whole. Youngest is not in AAP at a center and all has been fine. In fact it has been the smallest AAP class this school has had. 3rd grade GE teacher incorporated a ton of "AAP" curriculum-could be teacher dependent. Things seem to be really changing.

Funny, for our pyramid, 7th and 8th being separated is the biggest benefit

Can't gen ed kids elect to take honors classes at that point? BTW, My AAP 7th grader only has core AA classes; the rest of the classes are not "separated."

Yes, but the AAP classes are different and this is a school where everyone is encouraged to take honors

It depends on the MS school. Some AAP and honors are the same.

The students are separated. At schools with a lot of farms students encouraged to try honors, the classes will end up moving at very different paces.

I think the point people are trying to make is that IT DOES NOT Matter! By the time you get to MS and opt to take HN or in AAP, your day is MIXED with ALL kids. Math is completely separate-so that really can not be counted. LA, History, Sci may or may not be separated by AAP/HN/Regular BUT ALL other classes( PE, 2 electives or Foreign Language, "Mascot" Time, Lunch) are ALL MIXED. Plus by this point, your kids are friends with all kids from sports teams and other extra activities that the "peer" group thing becomes much less of a thing. By HS ALL kids can chose EVERY CLASS that they take regardless of in AAP,HN, GE etc. A ton of kids not in AAP(from ES) take Honors and AP or IB classes in HS.

I’m not counting lunch, study hall, those bullsh*t electives, or even PE as real classes. I don’t care if those classes are mixed. I only care about the core classes and I’m thankful my child is in AAP and surrounded by academically like minded peers.

Do you really believe that kids who can't come close to passing an SOL coming out of Hybla Valley taking honors because they were told everyone should try honors classes isn't going to slow classes?

No, and from my posts you would get that. I was saying I don’t care if those lower kids are in other classes like PE or lunch. I don’t want them in the core classes. How do you not get that?

Cringe. The way you refer to “lower kids” is cringe-worthy.

Totally agreed. I could get angry. But instead I'll say Just. You. Wait.

What are you going to do when your DC falls head over heels for one of these "proles"? Or full on rebels and enjoys ticking you off by not doing their work? Or better yet, becomes so stressed out that they begin self-medicating with substances procured by UMC "like minded peers". The point is, you have no idea what the future holds so humble yourself.

So much this. You can do everything right and try to set your child up for becoming a successful adult, with all the best educational opportunities... and things happen that are totally out of your control. PP is in for a rough ride.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:AAP goes out the door in 7th grade. I have had kids in both programs. When your child is young and the "first kid", this seems to be when most parents are more anxious about getting into AAP.. By the time they get to middle school and certainly high school you realize it wasn't worth the stress. One "possible" perk could be peer group but I will say, my middle child did not have the positive peer group in AAP that my older one did. So, at least for me, my belief is that is just depends on the class year as a whole. Youngest is not in AAP at a center and all has been fine. In fact it has been the smallest AAP class this school has had. 3rd grade GE teacher incorporated a ton of "AAP" curriculum-could be teacher dependent. Things seem to be really changing.

Funny, for our pyramid, 7th and 8th being separated is the biggest benefit

Yes. My kid can attend a better middle school due to AAP. Way less problems, drugs, behavior issues. More academic focus and kids on the right track. Thank God for AAP!

Then go to high school with those you done want in your middle school.

Nope, by then my kid will be in mostly AP classes and will rarely have to see those kids.

You do realize in high school, AP classes are open to all? Get a clue. Many former GE kids outshine their former AAP peers in high school. Brace yourself!
DP

LD kids will be in AP classes? Doubtful.

+1 or kids who can’t read/write? They won’t be in any of my kids’ core classes, sorry. No matter how much you like to parrot “but they’re open to anyone!” No, the reality is only certain types of students can handle those classes. A kid who can’t read isn’t signing up for an AP class.

We’re not talking about “a kid who can’t read.” We’re talking about all the bright, formerly GE kids who were indistinguishable from your AAP kid. They will all be in the same advanced classes in high school.

Well I am. I’m talking about kids who can’t read, special Ed, major issues. In AAP in elementary, and to an extent in middle, you get away from those kids. They won’t be in your classes. That is part of the draw of AAP in Elementary for many parents. And this will continue in high school. Those kids will never join honors of AP classes.

Interesting. Most of the poorly behaved kids at our elementary school are in AAP. I feel sorry for those teachers.

You’d like to think that to make yourself feel better but it just isn’t true. Teachers love teaching the AAP class. They have fewer behavioral issues and more kids who can do and have great family support and want to learn! They don’t have nearly as many IEP or 504 meetings to prepare for and sit in on. It is just so much easier teaching the AAP kids.

Hoo boy... here is someone who clearly doesn't have a clue what they're talking about. There is a much greater likelihood of an AAP kid having an IEP or 504 than a GE kid. Ask me how I know - my sister is an AAP 4th grade teacher and has told nightmare stories about some of the kids she has in her class. Every day, the principal has to take at least one or two out in the hall and let them have it. Their behavior is abysmal. Much more so than in the GE classes. My sister said she regrets getting the extra credential which allow her to teach AAP - it's just not worth it.

Well gosh darn it, if your sister says it, it must be true for all. Lol.

Actually, I have a couple AAP teacher friends and they say the same. Further, as someone who has volunteered in the ES for years (in both classes) the AAP kids have their own challenges. Hyper competitive. Overly focused on what's fair/not. Hyper-focused on rules. Stressed due to expectations of perfection. In short, many of them are really, really hard to deal with.

This is very true, but on the whole, AAP is easier to teach because you can move at a faster pace, the range of abilities isn’t as wide, and there are very little IEP meetings to attend. It is actually pretty rare to have the chair thrower in AAP. Also, parental support is extremely high. And having a friend who teaches isn’t the same as actually teaching. You don’t know how honest your teacher friend actually is considering you were also in the schools volunteering. Volunteers really don’t know everything.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:AAP goes out the door in 7th grade. I have had kids in both programs. When your child is young and the "first kid", this seems to be when most parents are more anxious about getting into AAP.. By the time they get to middle school and certainly high school you realize it wasn't worth the stress. One "possible" perk could be peer group but I will say, my middle child did not have the positive peer group in AAP that my older one did. So, at least for me, my belief is that is just depends on the class year as a whole. Youngest is not in AAP at a center and all has been fine. In fact it has been the smallest AAP class this school has had. 3rd grade GE teacher incorporated a ton of "AAP" curriculum-could be teacher dependent. Things seem to be really changing.

Funny, for our pyramid, 7th and 8th being separated is the biggest benefit

Can't gen ed kids elect to take honors classes at that point? BTW, My AAP 7th grader only has core AA classes; the rest of the classes are not "separated."

Yes, but the AAP classes are different and this is a school where everyone is encouraged to take honors

It depends on the MS school. Some AAP and honors are the same.

The students are separated. At schools with a lot of farms students encouraged to try honors, the classes will end up moving at very different paces.

I think the point people are trying to make is that IT DOES NOT Matter! By the time you get to MS and opt to take HN or in AAP, your day is MIXED with ALL kids. Math is completely separate-so that really can not be counted. LA, History, Sci may or may not be separated by AAP/HN/Regular BUT ALL other classes( PE, 2 electives or Foreign Language, "Mascot" Time, Lunch) are ALL MIXED. Plus by this point, your kids are friends with all kids from sports teams and other extra activities that the "peer" group thing becomes much less of a thing. By HS ALL kids can chose EVERY CLASS that they take regardless of in AAP,HN, GE etc. A ton of kids not in AAP(from ES) take Honors and AP or IB classes in HS.

I’m not counting lunch, study hall, those bullsh*t electives, or even PE as real classes. I don’t care if those classes are mixed. I only care about the core classes and I’m thankful my child is in AAP and surrounded by academically like minded peers.

Do you really believe that kids who can't come close to passing an SOL coming out of Hybla Valley taking honors because they were told everyone should try honors classes isn't going to slow classes?

No, and from my posts you would get that. I was saying I don’t care if those lower kids are in other classes like PE or lunch. I don’t want them in the core classes. How do you not get that?

Cringe. The way you refer to “lower kids” is cringe-worthy.

Lol. This is exactly how teachers talk in the lunchroom or at meetings. In fact, when making class placements, whether a kid is high, medium , or low is taken into consideration.