What is it like being gen Ed at AAP center?

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Anonymous wrote:This is some pretty gross ableism going on in this thread. Some of the smartest people I know as adults were thought to be “slow” as kids because they had undiagnosed dyslexia. And these people bragging about getting away from certain types of kids seem to be forgetting about the twice exceptional kids that can be quite challenging. I hope karma comes for some of you smug AAP parents.

Right? So much ignorance. My ADHD kid is in AAP.

Guarantee your ADHD kid is less work than a kid in gen ed who hits, bites and throws things at the teacher. That child is in Gen Ed because (choose one)”

- the parent won’t sign the IEP
- the kid wasn’t identified because of the pandemic
- the child “never does that at home”
- the child’s one on one assistant hasn’t been hired
- the child is on grade level and is “fine”
- the parents are trying things “off medicine”
- the parents are switching medicine.
- the child spit out his medicine

I’m sure there are more reasons.
By the way, I don’t think this justifies having AAP. I think teachers should be told to teach top kids as well as low ones and that sped kids deserve more support in gen ed.

I just don’t buy that AAP sped is “just like” gen ed sped. Not for a second.

DP. Are you actually claiming there aren't kids in AAP who "hit, bite, and throw things at the teacher"? If so, come on down to our center school and take a look.

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Anonymous wrote:AAP goes out the door in 7th grade. I have had kids in both programs. When your child is young and the "first kid", this seems to be when most parents are more anxious about getting into AAP.. By the time they get to middle school and certainly high school you realize it wasn't worth the stress. One "possible" perk could be peer group but I will say, my middle child did not have the positive peer group in AAP that my older one did. So, at least for me, my belief is that is just depends on the class year as a whole. Youngest is not in AAP at a center and all has been fine. In fact it has been the smallest AAP class this school has had. 3rd grade GE teacher incorporated a ton of "AAP" curriculum-could be teacher dependent. Things seem to be really changing.

Funny, for our pyramid, 7th and 8th being separated is the biggest benefit

Yes. My kid can attend a better middle school due to AAP. Way less problems, drugs, behavior issues. More academic focus and kids on the right track. Thank God for AAP!

Then go to high school with those you done want in your middle school.

Nope, by then my kid will be in mostly AP classes and will rarely have to see those kids.

You do realize in high school, AP classes are open to all? Get a clue. Many former GE kids outshine their former AAP peers in high school. Brace yourself!
DP

LD kids will be in AP classes? Doubtful.

+1 or kids who can’t read/write? They won’t be in any of my kids’ core classes, sorry. No matter how much you like to parrot “but they’re open to anyone!” No, the reality is only certain types of students can handle those classes. A kid who can’t read isn’t signing up for an AP class.

We’re not talking about “a kid who can’t read.” We’re talking about all the bright, formerly GE kids who were indistinguishable from your AAP kid. They will all be in the same advanced classes in high school.

Well I am. I’m talking about kids who can’t read, special Ed, major issues. In AAP in elementary, and to an extent in middle, you get away from those kids. They won’t be in your classes. That is part of the draw of AAP in Elementary for many parents. And this will continue in high school. Those kids will never join honors of AP classes.

Interesting. Most of the poorly behaved kids at our elementary school are in AAP. I feel sorry for those teachers.

You’d like to think that to make yourself feel better but it just isn’t true. Teachers love teaching the AAP class. They have fewer behavioral issues and more kids who can do and have great family support and want to learn! They don’t have nearly as many IEP or 504 meetings to prepare for and sit in on. It is just so much easier teaching the AAP kids.

Hoo boy... here is someone who clearly doesn't have a clue what they're talking about. There is a much greater likelihood of an AAP kid having an IEP or 504 than a GE kid. Ask me how I know - my sister is an AAP 4th grade teacher and has told nightmare stories about some of the kids she has in her class. Every day, the principal has to take at least one or two out in the hall and let them have it. Their behavior is abysmal. Much more so than in the GE classes. My sister said she regrets getting the extra credential which allow her to teach AAP - it's just not worth it.

Well gosh darn it, if your sister says it, it must be true for all. Lol.

Actually, I have a couple AAP teacher friends and they say the same. Further, as someone who has volunteered in the ES for years (in both classes) the AAP kids have their own challenges. Hyper competitive. Overly focused on what's fair/not. Hyper-focused on rules. Stressed due to expectations of perfection. In short, many of them are really, really hard to deal with.

+ a million
Longtime classroom volunteer, and this is SPOT.ON.

Sure it may be SPOT ON but as a gen Ed teacher who has been bitten on the boob, had chairs thrown at her delay with kids on and then off meds who are literally playing don’t touch the ground on the tables while kids are trying to work dealing with whining and competition is annoying but it isn’t physically dangerous. Sure both have positives and negative there are kids on and off focus in both groups., but the SPED population in gen Ed is frequently more
physical.
If you are saying this to negate AAP I would go with a different argument. Like it isn’t equitable ( because it is not) or it could take out out peer language models, or it contributes to classism within FCPS. I’d agree with all, but the SPED angle just doesn’t fit.
-gen Ed teacher with a kid in each program

Sorry about typos and grammar!

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Anonymous wrote:This is some pretty gross ableism going on in this thread. Some of the smartest people I know as adults were thought to be “slow” as kids because they had undiagnosed dyslexia. And these people bragging about getting away from certain types of kids seem to be forgetting about the twice exceptional kids that can be quite challenging. I hope karma comes for some of you smug AAP parents.

Right? So much ignorance. My ADHD kid is in AAP.

Guarantee your ADHD kid is less work than a kid in gen ed who hits, bites and throws things at the teacher. That child is in Gen Ed because (choose one)”

- the parent won’t sign the IEP
- the kid wasn’t identified because of the pandemic
- the child “never does that at home”
- the child’s one on one assistant hasn’t been hired
- the child is on grade level and is “fine”
- the parents are trying things “off medicine”
- the parents are switching medicine.
- the child spit out his medicine

I’m sure there are more reasons.
By the way, I don’t think this justifies having AAP. I think teachers should be told to teach top kids as well as low ones and that sped kids deserve more support in gen ed.

I just don’t buy that AAP sped is “just like” gen ed sped. Not for a second.

DP. Are you actually claiming there aren't kids in AAP who "hit, bite, and throw things at the teacher"? If so, come on down to our center school and take a look.

Yes I am. There aren’t any at my kids center school that have been in any of her classes and she is a 6th grader. The kids aren’t perfect but there is zero biting throwing or hitting in my child’s 3 years in AAP.

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Anonymous wrote:This is some pretty gross ableism going on in this thread. Some of the smartest people I know as adults were thought to be “slow” as kids because they had undiagnosed dyslexia. And these people bragging about getting away from certain types of kids seem to be forgetting about the twice exceptional kids that can be quite challenging. I hope karma comes for some of you smug AAP parents.

Right? So much ignorance. My ADHD kid is in AAP.

Guarantee your ADHD kid is less work than a kid in gen ed who hits, bites and throws things at the teacher. That child is in Gen Ed because (choose one)”

- the parent won’t sign the IEP
- the kid wasn’t identified because of the pandemic
- the child “never does that at home”
- the child’s one on one assistant hasn’t been hired
- the child is on grade level and is “fine”
- the parents are trying things “off medicine”
- the parents are switching medicine.
- the child spit out his medicine

I’m sure there are more reasons.
By the way, I don’t think this justifies having AAP. I think teachers should be told to teach top kids as well as low ones and that sped kids deserve more support in gen ed.

I just don’t buy that AAP sped is “just like” gen ed sped. Not for a second.

DP. Are you actually claiming there aren't kids in AAP who "hit, bite, and throw things at the teacher"? If so, come on down to our center school and take a look.

Yes I am. There aren’t any at my kids center school that have been in any of her classes and she is a 6th grader. The kids aren’t perfect but there is zero biting throwing or hitting in my child’s 3 years in AAP.

My kid stayed at his base school and is in 5th grade. He has yet to have a kid throw things, hit people, or have to evacuate his classroom. Most Gen Ed kids do not have to deal with those scenarios. While they do happen, they are still on the rare side of things.

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Anonymous wrote:This is some pretty gross ableism going on in this thread. Some of the smartest people I know as adults were thought to be “slow” as kids because they had undiagnosed dyslexia. And these people bragging about getting away from certain types of kids seem to be forgetting about the twice exceptional kids that can be quite challenging. I hope karma comes for some of you smug AAP parents.

Right? So much ignorance. My ADHD kid is in AAP.

Guarantee your ADHD kid is less work than a kid in gen ed who hits, bites and throws things at the teacher. That child is in Gen Ed because (choose one)”

- the parent won’t sign the IEP
- the kid wasn’t identified because of the pandemic
- the child “never does that at home”
- the child’s one on one assistant hasn’t been hired
- the child is on grade level and is “fine”
- the parents are trying things “off medicine”
- the parents are switching medicine.
- the child spit out his medicine

I’m sure there are more reasons.
By the way, I don’t think this justifies having AAP. I think teachers should be told to teach top kids as well as low ones and that sped kids deserve more support in gen ed.

I just don’t buy that AAP sped is “just like” gen ed sped. Not for a second.

DP. Are you actually claiming there aren't kids in AAP who "hit, bite, and throw things at the teacher"? If so, come on down to our center school and take a look.

Yes I am. There aren’t any at my kids center school that have been in any of her classes and she is a 6th grader. The kids aren’t perfect but there is zero biting throwing or hitting in my child’s 3 years in AAP.

My kid stayed at his base school and is in 5th grade. He has yet to have a kid throw things, hit people, or have to evacuate his classroom. Most Gen Ed kids do not have to deal with those scenarios. While they do happen, they are still on the rare side of things.

My kids class had that scenario (throwing chairs and the like), then my kid went off to AAP and that kid didn't. Nice parents though, but the kid was shall we say a bit too energetic.

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Anonymous wrote:This is some pretty gross ableism going on in this thread. Some of the smartest people I know as adults were thought to be “slow” as kids because they had undiagnosed dyslexia. And these people bragging about getting away from certain types of kids seem to be forgetting about the twice exceptional kids that can be quite challenging. I hope karma comes for some of you smug AAP parents.

Right? So much ignorance. My ADHD kid is in AAP.

You’re so funny. I’m not saying there aren’t kids with IEPs or 504s in AAP at all or that there are no issues at all. I’m saying on the whole, there are far fewer kids with them in AAP than in Gen Ed. And that does make it easier for the AAP teacher. Plus you have kids who are generally higher. My own kid is twice exceptional and in AAP.

+1 There is a big difference between and ADHD IEP that mommy basically purchased to get extra test time and a child with developmental delays being mainstreamed

F off PP. You know how hard it is to get even a 504 for kids who have a diagnosis but are doing “well” on paper? Ask me how I know.

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OP-to answer your original question. I think it really depends on the center and how competitive it is for the kids (and parents…parents are really the worst). Best way to figure out is to get feedback on the specific school.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s not a healthy environment. One boy said to my DC that he’s too smart for his class and will be moving to AAP. This was 3rd grade.

Agreed. I have one in AAP and one in gen Ed. My only issue with gen Ed is that teachers are told not to teach the high kids as they will “get it in their own” so they don’t pull those kids for small groups very often. If that policy changed the “need” for AAP would be gone. All kids should be able to meet with the teacher as it builds relationships.

+1 People wouldn’t haggle for AAP if the Gen Ed classes weren’t so dumbed down.

Ironically, the more kids who leave gen ed for aap, the lower the level of classes for those who didn't leave which encourages more parents to try and get their kids out.

I agree with you but that is the opposite of ironic.

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Anonymous wrote:This is some pretty gross ableism going on in this thread. Some of the smartest people I know as adults were thought to be “slow” as kids because they had undiagnosed dyslexia. And these people bragging about getting away from certain types of kids seem to be forgetting about the twice exceptional kids that can be quite challenging. I hope karma comes for some of you smug AAP parents.

Right? So much ignorance. My ADHD kid is in AAP.

Guarantee your ADHD kid is less work than a kid in gen ed who hits, bites and throws things at the teacher. That child is in Gen Ed because (choose one)”

- the parent won’t sign the IEP
- the kid wasn’t identified because of the pandemic
- the child “never does that at home”
- the child’s one on one assistant hasn’t been hired
- the child is on grade level and is “fine”
- the parents are trying things “off medicine”
- the parents are switching medicine.
- the child spit out his medicine

I’m sure there are more reasons.
By the way, I don’t think this justifies having AAP. I think teachers should be told to teach top kids as well as low ones and that sped kids deserve more support in gen ed.

I just don’t buy that AAP sped is “just like” gen ed sped. Not for a second.

DP. Are you actually claiming there aren't kids in AAP who "hit, bite, and throw things at the teacher"? If so, come on down to our center school and take a look.

Yes I am. There aren’t any at my kids center school that have been in any of her classes and she is a 6th grader. The kids aren’t perfect but there is zero biting throwing or hitting in my child’s 3 years in AAP.

+1 AAP classes never have serious offenders like gen Ed.

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Anonymous wrote:This is some pretty gross ableism going on in this thread. Some of the smartest people I know as adults were thought to be “slow” as kids because they had undiagnosed dyslexia. And these people bragging about getting away from certain types of kids seem to be forgetting about the twice exceptional kids that can be quite challenging. I hope karma comes for some of you smug AAP parents.

Right? So much ignorance. My ADHD kid is in AAP.

Guarantee your ADHD kid is less work than a kid in gen ed who hits, bites and throws things at the teacher. That child is in Gen Ed because (choose one)”

- the parent won’t sign the IEP
- the kid wasn’t identified because of the pandemic
- the child “never does that at home”
- the child’s one on one assistant hasn’t been hired
- the child is on grade level and is “fine”
- the parents are trying things “off medicine”
- the parents are switching medicine.
- the child spit out his medicine

I’m sure there are more reasons.
By the way, I don’t think this justifies having AAP. I think teachers should be told to teach top kids as well as low ones and that sped kids deserve more support in gen ed.

I just don’t buy that AAP sped is “just like” gen ed sped. Not for a second.

DP. Are you actually claiming there aren't kids in AAP who "hit, bite, and throw things at the teacher"? If so, come on down to our center school and take a look.

Yes I am. There aren’t any at my kids center school that have been in any of her classes and she is a 6th grader. The kids aren’t perfect but there is zero biting throwing or hitting in my child’s 3 years in AAP.

My kid stayed at his base school and is in 5th grade. He has yet to have a kid throw things, hit people, or have to evacuate his classroom. Most Gen Ed kids do not have to deal with those scenarios. While they do happen, they are still on the rare side of things.

My kids class had that scenario (throwing chairs and the like), then my kid went off to AAP and that kid didn't. Nice parents though, but the kid was shall we say a bit too energetic.

A good gen ed teacher will call the kid 2e and write a great GBRS to help out their base school

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Anonymous wrote:This is some pretty gross ableism going on in this thread. Some of the smartest people I know as adults were thought to be “slow” as kids because they had undiagnosed dyslexia. And these people bragging about getting away from certain types of kids seem to be forgetting about the twice exceptional kids that can be quite challenging. I hope karma comes for some of you smug AAP parents.

Right? So much ignorance. My ADHD kid is in AAP.

Guarantee your ADHD kid is less work than a kid in gen ed who hits, bites and throws things at the teacher. That child is in Gen Ed because (choose one)”

- the parent won’t sign the IEP
- the kid wasn’t identified because of the pandemic
- the child “never does that at home”
- the child’s one on one assistant hasn’t been hired
- the child is on grade level and is “fine”
- the parents are trying things “off medicine”
- the parents are switching medicine.
- the child spit out his medicine

I’m sure there are more reasons.
By the way, I don’t think this justifies having AAP. I think teachers should be told to teach top kids as well as low ones and that sped kids deserve more support in gen ed.

I just don’t buy that AAP sped is “just like” gen ed sped. Not for a second.

DP. Are you actually claiming there aren't kids in AAP who "hit, bite, and throw things at the teacher"? If so, come on down to our center school and take a look.

Yes I am. There aren’t any at my kids center school that have been in any of her classes and she is a 6th grader. The kids aren’t perfect but there is zero biting throwing or hitting in my child’s 3 years in AAP.

that is a data point of 1. Neurodiversity often goes with true ‘gifted’, but since the program has become just ‘accelerated’ and not ‘gifted and talented’ focused then that might be why.

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Anonymous wrote:This is some pretty gross ableism going on in this thread. Some of the smartest people I know as adults were thought to be “slow” as kids because they had undiagnosed dyslexia. And these people bragging about getting away from certain types of kids seem to be forgetting about the twice exceptional kids that can be quite challenging. I hope karma comes for some of you smug AAP parents.

Right? So much ignorance. My ADHD kid is in AAP.

Guarantee your ADHD kid is less work than a kid in gen ed who hits, bites and throws things at the teacher. That child is in Gen Ed because (choose one)”

- the parent won’t sign the IEP
- the kid wasn’t identified because of the pandemic
- the child “never does that at home”
- the child’s one on one assistant hasn’t been hired
- the child is on grade level and is “fine”
- the parents are trying things “off medicine”
- the parents are switching medicine.
- the child spit out his medicine

I’m sure there are more reasons.
By the way, I don’t think this justifies having AAP. I think teachers should be told to teach top kids as well as low ones and that sped kids deserve more support in gen ed.

I just don’t buy that AAP sped is “just like” gen ed sped. Not for a second.

DP. Are you actually claiming there aren't kids in AAP who "hit, bite, and throw things at the teacher"? If so, come on down to our center school and take a look.

Yes I am. There aren’t any at my kids center school that have been in any of her classes and she is a 6th grader. The kids aren’t perfect but there is zero biting throwing or hitting in my child’s 3 years in AAP.

Well, our kids go to different schools - with different kids. There are quite a few severe behavioral cases in our school's AAP classes.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is some pretty gross ableism going on in this thread. Some of the smartest people I know as adults were thought to be “slow” as kids because they had undiagnosed dyslexia. And these people bragging about getting away from certain types of kids seem to be forgetting about the twice exceptional kids that can be quite challenging. I hope karma comes for some of you smug AAP parents.

Right? So much ignorance. My ADHD kid is in AAP.

Guarantee your ADHD kid is less work than a kid in gen ed who hits, bites and throws things at the teacher. That child is in Gen Ed because (choose one)”

- the parent won’t sign the IEP
- the kid wasn’t identified because of the pandemic
- the child “never does that at home”
- the child’s one on one assistant hasn’t been hired
- the child is on grade level and is “fine”
- the parents are trying things “off medicine”
- the parents are switching medicine.
- the child spit out his medicine

I’m sure there are more reasons.
By the way, I don’t think this justifies having AAP. I think teachers should be told to teach top kids as well as low ones and that sped kids deserve more support in gen ed.

I just don’t buy that AAP sped is “just like” gen ed sped. Not for a second.

DP. Are you actually claiming there aren't kids in AAP who "hit, bite, and throw things at the teacher"? If so, come on down to our center school and take a look.

Yes I am. There aren’t any at my kids center school that have been in any of her classes and she is a 6th grader. The kids aren’t perfect but there is zero biting throwing or hitting in my child’s 3 years in AAP.

+1 AAP classes never have serious offenders like gen Ed.

Wow. You really need to get out more and stop making absurd blanket statements that are easily disproven.