SCANDAL: Hillsdale College President says URM become teachers because they can’t hack anything else
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Facepalm |
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But the Hillsdale defender here is super sensitive about it and will report posts that outs it for what it is. |
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Cool. All of that debt is unsubsidized loans at far higher interest rates than necessary (and that's ignoring the kids who would have gotten pell grants, but couldnt). They seem perfectly happy to take government money for charter schools, but they stand on principle when it comes to students going into debt. |
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Getting a degree from a university that isn't worth the sheepskin it is printed on, it doesn't matter how much or how little debt the graduate has.
A Hillsdale degree with barely worth more than a Liberty degree. Certainly any public in Virginia has a better reputation, and same with Michigan. |
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Plus, Hillsdale was very enmeshed with the Trump Admin. That was great for then in 2019 when there grads weren’t being hired for senior political jobs and DeVos ran education policy. But, I don’t think it’s going to be good for them in the long run. |
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A Hillsdale BA paired with a Liberty JD seems like a great way to get a clerkship |
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Not a federal one. And very few state. Plus, the only had 41 grads reporting employment https://www.liberty.edu/law/wp-content/uploads/sites/83/2021/04/PlacementEmployment-199-196-04-08-2021-10-30-02_Final.pdf |
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“The president of Michigan’s Hillsdale College was riding high earlier this year when he announced plans to launch 50 charter schools in Tennessee after Gov. Bill Lee originally asked for 100.
Six months later, that relationship has cooled after Hillsdale’s Larry Arnn made disparaging comments about educators, telling an audience including Lee that teachers “are trained in the dumbest parts of the dumbest colleges.” https://apnews.com/article/education-michigan-tennessee-school-boards-charter-schools-a2b74cf802f8256e2227497fe27ddde0 |
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| I wouldn't believe anything said by Hillsdale. Those people are scary. |
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Let's be honest here.. in the lower grades, like ES, teachers aren't highly educated nor do they go to top tier colleges, but then they also aren't paid a lot. If this country paid their teachers a fraction of the average salary of the major profiessional athletes got paid, you would see a lot more "smarter" people going into early education.
For the upper grades, typically STEM teachers have STEM degrees. My HSer's math teacher has a masters in math; DC's ES math teacher had a BS in chemistry. Both were awesome math teachers. This guy should put his money where his mouth is and pay teachers more if he expects better quality teachers. |
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https://www.nationalreview.com/1999/11/horror-hillsdale-john-j-miller/ |
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This is crazy talk but there is some truth to it as teaching is a low paying job and easy to find, which makes it a last resort for people who can't figure out better alternatives. Not to disrespect smart teachers who choose to be educators, its a mix bundle. That being said, things aren't that different in private schools either. |
The President of Hillsdale College recently says that URM students become education majors because these majors are “easy” and “you don’t have to know anything”. He also said that public school teachers are trained in “the dumbest part of the dumbest colleges”. Fact check: 75% of teachers are white, and almost 75% are women. But let’s not let facts get in the way of stunningly racist, classist and sexist comments, when the National Review is cheering him on.
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Hard to make generalizations. Teachers in Chicago Public Schools, a woeful system, average 18/19 on the ACT. Lots of conclusions one can draw, and not all negative. Is this a score one expects (in general) for an AP Chemistry teacher? Not likely. But a person with this profile could be effective as an elementary teacher if they have good connection skills. By the way, the system still has a number of white teachers so the racial angle isn't really relevant. One fifth of the teachers in the state of Illinois come from Illinois State and it would be helpful to really understand the rigor that school requires. Hillsdale's narrative doesn't make much sense or is helpful. I do note that URM pass rates on teacher licensure exams still lag. Again, I question the nature of the tests. An AP math teacher has different challenges than a special ed teacher. My guess is there is a shortage of truly competent in both roles. Tests won't get at the shortage.
Schools are fluid. My brother was a graduate assistant coach at UVa while earning his Phd in Econ on a NSF fellowship. He was a professor there for a short time thereafter. This was in the 80's. Way too many athletes were being shoved into Education - it lacked rigor. It raised issues with faculty. The school changed the situation, radically altering the standards so the Education major became fairly challenging. Purdue now guarantees its grads will all pass the licensing exams. Of course they do this by winnowing only qualifying students. Agree or disagree with this practice, but it's graduates have gone through rigor. Again, sweeping narratives don't help. |
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| And now DeSantis wants to make a Hillsdale in Florida. Just what is needed, another Hillsdale. |