SCANDAL: Hillsdale College President says URM become teachers because they can’t hack anything else

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Anonymous wrote:I just read the article and it doesn’t say anything about URMs. With your post you may be inadvertently making the author’s point for him.

Welcome to the world where some people with an axe to grind, will twist and distort anything said by the other side into either a Hitler or Stalin quote

+1. There have been numerous posts about these comments from the Hillsdale Prez, I suspect all from the same person.

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The simple fact is that the drop out rate of students admitted with credentials at or below the 25th percentile is extremely high in the most competitive majors at the elite colleges

If you don't have easier/less competitive majors that can accommodate these dropouts from the most competitive majors, they will not graduate. So colleges create such majors, to let these students graduate. The alternative is to not admit these students in the first place, but that is really not an option for most schools that have taken on a social engineering mission, want a diverse facility roster, field DiV I athletic teams or care about the growth of their endowments

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Anonymous wrote:I will say that among doctoral programs, EdD's are generally less respected, in that the research requirement is less rigorous (their journals also tend to set a lower bar). This is true of many fields though (including Physical Therapy, Nursing, Management/Policy).

It is all relative.

Isn’t it interesting how these are all women dominated fields…. Hmm… what a coincidence!

+1. All of the hate on teachers is just the usual misogyny and devaluing of work that is more often done by women. There are plenty of male dominated fields which are not especially competitive which do not draw the same criticisms as teaching.

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Anonymous wrote:I will say that among doctoral programs, EdD's are generally less respected, in that the research requirement is less rigorous (their journals also tend to set a lower bar). This is true of many fields though (including Physical Therapy, Nursing, Management/Policy).

It is all relative.

Isn’t it interesting how these are all women dominated fields…. Hmm… what a coincidence!

Not sure that is true of management/policy, but I hear you.

The requirements of those degrees are just objectively fewer. That may make them more achievable for women who have to juggle more than men in life (see "Invisible Women" for more on that topic).

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Anonymous wrote:Athletes and Legacies too

100% about athletes. All the top athletes at my T10 school (that's also known for being big with NCAA football & basketball), were one of 3 easy majors: communications, marketing, exercise science.

At my school it was geography.

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Anonymous wrote:Why would anyone pay attention to anything emanating from Hillsdale? Such a paragon of virtue.

https://www.nytimes.com/1999/11/15/us/scandal-rocks-a-conservative-campus.html

Hillsdale in incredibly influential in “conservative” (actually authoritarian) circles. Hillsdale is designing curriculum for charter schools in Tennessee and public schools in Florida.

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Anonymous wrote:I will say that among doctoral programs, EdD's are generally less respected, in that the research requirement is less rigorous (their journals also tend to set a lower bar). This is true of many fields though (including Physical Therapy, Nursing, Management/Policy).

It is all relative.

Isn’t it interesting how these are all women dominated fields…. Hmm… what a coincidence!

+1. All of the hate on teachers is just the usual misogyny and devaluing of work that is more often done by women. There are plenty of male dominated fields which are not especially competitive which do not draw the same criticisms as teaching.

I (PP) was commenting on the rigor of different doctoral programs, not commenting on teaching as a field (most teachers never earn doctoral degrees).

Jobs traditionally held by women, including caregiving, are traditionally undervalued and under-rewarded. This is due to sexism but also the fact that capitalist nations value money/profit over people/social good (such as educating the next generation of citizens). I do not agree with this.

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My sister belongs to a teacher's union. She can get a pay increase for taking virtually ANY course. Including fun ones that can be completed over a weekend at a summer resort. No degree is necessary, but automatic raises come with different levels of credits earned.

So, that does not help.

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Anonymous wrote:education majors because these majors are “easy” and “you don’t have to know anything”. He also said that public school teachers are trained in “the dumbest part of the dumbest colleges”. Fact check: 75% of teachers are white, and almost 75% are women.

I'm not going to attack this man, who I don't know, at a college I have never heard of. But I can speak to the classmates at my state school university who became teachers back in the early 90s: With few exemptions, they were the dumbest and laziest students on campus. See also the rampant fake online degrees these dummies pursue on the taxpayers' dime. Don't forget to call your idiot principal and superintendent "doctor" after they buy a bogus Ed.D. with local tax dollars and complete its online coursework on the clock during school hours. And I'm sorry to say literally every single male school administrator I have ever met in a professional capacity was both dumber than a rock and extremely creepy.

Absolutely.

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I always thought some of the worst students end up majoring in education. I have taken couple education courses while in college to get some easy "As" and they indeed did not disappoint and I got my easy As with very minimal study time.

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Anonymous wrote:My daughter is a teacher. She was valedictorian in high school. Graduated summa cum laude from both high school and college. National Merit Scholar. Full merit scholarship in college. Master of Education in Applied Behavior Analysis. She has many, many colleagues with similar stats. I doubt any of her parents know how brilliant she is. They just know she is a great teachers with a passion for helping children with autism become their highest and best selves. And she loves her kids so much.

Psychology majors don't get many good options.
A lot of girls end up choosing it because it's relatively easy and sounds like something.

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Anonymous wrote:My daughter is a teacher. She was valedictorian in high school. Graduated summa cum laude from both high school and college. National Merit Scholar. Full merit scholarship in college. Master of Education in Applied Behavior Analysis. She has many, many colleagues with similar stats. I doubt any of her parents know how brilliant she is. They just know she is a great teachers with a passion for helping children with autism become their highest and best selves. And she loves her kids so much.

Anecdata! Love it.

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Anonymous wrote:My daughter is a teacher. She was valedictorian in high school. Graduated summa cum laude from both high school and college. National Merit Scholar. Full merit scholarship in college. Master of Education in Applied Behavior Analysis. She has many, many colleagues with similar stats. I doubt any of her parents know how brilliant she is. They just know she is a great teachers with a passion for helping children with autism become their highest and best selves. And she loves her kids so much.

Psychology majors don't get many good options.
A lot of girls end up choosing it because it's relatively easy and sounds like something.

Clinical psychology PhD programs are insanely competitive, even more so than medical school. My daughter is starting at one that is ranked something like 150 on USNews, so NOT a top program by any means...they accepted 3 students this year of 140 applicants.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I will say that among doctoral programs, EdD's are generally less respected, in that the research requirement is less rigorous (their journals also tend to set a lower bar). This is true of many fields though (including Physical Therapy, Nursing, Management/Policy).

It is all relative.

Isn’t it interesting how these are all women dominated fields…. Hmm… what a coincidence!

+1. All of the hate on teachers is just the usual misogyny and devaluing of work that is more often done by women. There are plenty of male dominated fields which are not especially competitive which do not draw the same criticisms as teaching.

I (PP) was commenting on the rigor of different doctoral programs, not commenting on teaching as a field (most teachers never earn doctoral degrees).

Jobs traditionally held by women, including caregiving, are traditionally undervalued and under-rewarded. This is due to sexism but also the fact that capitalist nations value money/profit over people/social good (such as educating the next generation of citizens). I do not agree with this.

It’s not just “caregiving,” I see so many careers that just happen to become devalued as women become a majority/plurality. Look at physicians who are pediatricians/general practitioners. Magically, once these jobs became dominated by women, they became devalued. It’s like magic!

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Look, the sad fact is and long has been that the teaching profession doesn't attract the nation's best and brightest. And the answer why it doesn't is obvious: low pay and lack of respect.