Some U.S. students re-think college plans in states with abortion bans

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Anonymous wrote:How many abortions are these girls trying to get in the next four years?

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If this was my DD's biggest concern in choosing a college, I would consider myself a massive failure as her mother.

Meanwhile, please tell your smart DD's to go right ahead and take Duke, Emory, Rice etc off of their lists!!! My rising HS junior DD would be delighted not to have the competition from these pious fools.

My daughter’s - and son’s - big concern is the treatment of women. And the attack on their personal liberties.

You want your kids to sit back while human rights are being attacked? Sounds like bad parenting.

What about the future women whose lives are now being saved? You don't care at all about them? Sounds like bad parenting to me.

You mean the unwanted fetuses?

That is beyond sick to force women to give birth to children they don’t want.

Every child deserves to be wanted.

Wow. I truly hope you are not a parent. Anyone who refers to "unwanted fetuses" has a screw or two loose.

Banning abortion doesn’t suddenly make all of those fetuses wanted.

You are forcing women to give birth to these unwanted fetuses. You aren’t “saving” them. You’re condemning them to a life of being unwanted.

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Anonymous wrote:"The U.S. Supreme Court's decision in June to overturn the 1973 Roe v. Wade case that legalized abortion nationwide has some students rethinking their higher education plans as states rush to ban or curtail abortion, according to interviews with 20 students and college advisers across the country.

For some students, the restrictions raise fears that they won't be able to get an abortion if they need one or that they will face discrimination for gender differences. Others said they worried about facing racial prejudice or being politically ostracized.

"I'm only in high school right now, and I'm still finding out who I am," said Samira Murad, 17, who will be a senior this fall at Stuyvesant High School in New York. "I don't want to move somewhere I can't be myself because of laws put in place."

It is too soon to determine whether such concerns will affect admissions in a measurable way, and evidence from other recent divisive state laws suggests there may be little overall impact.

But in the wake of Roe's overturn, college counselors said abortion has figured prominently in many conversations with clients, with some going as far as nixing their dream schools."

Kristen Willmott, a counselor with Top Tier Admissions in Massachusetts, said students she works with have told her they are taking some top schools in Texas, Florida and Tennessee off their application lists due to their restrictive abortion laws.

Alexis Prisco, who is entering her senior year at Eastern Technical High School in Maryland, had planned to apply to her parents' alma mater, Washington University in St. Louis, Missouri."

https://news.yahoo.com/u-students-think-college-plans-101417689.html

What the hell? I'm pro-choice but that quote is insanity. Abortion is not birth control. Someone please inform this girl of that.

Read the article’s references to “gender differences”. LGBTQ people are under attack as well. Don’t say Gay, amirite?

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Anonymous wrote:Seems silly to blame colleges (and not apply to them) for government decision. Most of these colleges established over a century ago.

miss the point much? no one is blaming the colleges, they are simply not willing to subject themselves or their daughters to backwards, anti-women environments. Just so happens those colleges reside in backwards states. I assume that you yourself wouldn't want to a state with politics you vehemently disagree with, so these students are making the same decision. Tons of great colleges for all beliefs. No need to live in an environment that doesn't respect your rights.

Many people live in states where they don't agree with their politics (e.g. Florida). Part of the reason America is so divisive is because of people like you who seem to advocate for a divided country

Spoken like one who has never birthed a child. You do have any concept of the life altering nature of that? Permanent and significant...physically, mentally, emotionally, financially.....for ever and ever.

Overturning Roe is not disagreeable "politics". It is an assualt on fundamental rights.

Not sure what birthing a child has anything to do with this when we're talking about aborting a child. Instead of having a polite discussion, you seem to like to hurl insults. Some would argue that the unborn child also has rights too. You may not agree with that position and that's okay. Just try to sound like a rational human being. It's easy to be a jerk when you hide behind anonymity.

You don't know what the dangerous and life altering impacts of giving birth have to do with the catastrophic scotus decision to overturn roe? That sounds completely clueless.

Birthing and abortion are two different things. Look it up.

The right to abortion and the making of every other reproductive decision including having a child and intimately and obviously connected.

Birthing is the process or action of giving birth whereas abortion is the termination of a pregnancy so there is NO birth. It's not that complicated.

Have you ever even menstruated much less had a pregnanc or a miscarriage or infertility it any of dozens and dozens of other women's reproductive health issues? It is complicated...very.....get a clue

Probably a Catholic school idiot teen trying to get “pro life” extra credit over the summer.

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Anonymous wrote:Make sure your kids have access to plenty of birth control and know the importance of using it. Make sure they know the ramifications of their choices in sexual activity. Not that difficult. Yes, sometimes birth control doesn't work, but mostly it does. Make sure young women who don't want children don't get pregnant. Not impossible.

I love how there's zero responsibility for the guys here. You hear that, women? Don't get pregnant. Because all abortions are planned.

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Anonymous wrote:"The U.S. Supreme Court's decision in June to overturn the 1973 Roe v. Wade case that legalized abortion nationwide has some students rethinking their higher education plans as states rush to ban or curtail abortion, according to interviews with 20 students and college advisers across the country.

For some students, the restrictions raise fears that they won't be able to get an abortion if they need one or that they will face discrimination for gender differences. Others said they worried about facing racial prejudice or being politically ostracized.

"I'm only in high school right now, and I'm still finding out who I am," said Samira Murad, 17, who will be a senior this fall at Stuyvesant High School in New York. "I don't want to move somewhere I can't be myself because of laws put in place."

It is too soon to determine whether such concerns will affect admissions in a measurable way, and evidence from other recent divisive state laws suggests there may be little overall impact.

But in the wake of Roe's overturn, college counselors said abortion has figured prominently in many conversations with clients, with some going as far as nixing their dream schools."

Kristen Willmott, a counselor with Top Tier Admissions in Massachusetts, said students she works with have told her they are taking some top schools in Texas, Florida and Tennessee off their application lists due to their restrictive abortion laws.

Alexis Prisco, who is entering her senior year at Eastern Technical High School in Maryland, had planned to apply to her parents' alma mater, Washington University in St. Louis, Missouri."

https://news.yahoo.com/u-students-think-college-plans-101417689.html

What the hell? I'm pro-choice but that quote is insanity. Abortion is not birth control. Someone please inform this girl of that.

+1000. Translation: I don't want to move somewhere that I have to act responsibly and put a lid on my wild sex life.

You want to force all college kids to abstain from sex?

You can’t force your religious views on others.

Why is this necessarily a religious view?

How many atheist organizations spend millions each year - for decades - lobbying for abstinence education and banning abortion?

Keep your Jesus out of my kids’ pants.

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Anonymous wrote:Texas has always been toxic but Rice has always been a great university. I wish my kid was a senior this year because it's one of her top choices.

Suit yourself. Turning back the clock 50 years on rights is a lot more than "toxic". It is a major and significant assualt on rights and it requires action.

It is not turning back the clock. The decision was correct. There is no such Constitutional right. Never was. Was made up. That was the greater injustice. Congress has the power today to pass a law that offers full protection. That is where people's anger should lie. Vote for people that will pass the bill.

Wrong. Women are full citizens and have a right to personal liberty. Just like a man.

Men and women also have the right to privacy when it comes to medical care.

And we all have the freedom of religion. Religious extremists can’t force their beliefs on others.

Scotus took issue with the basis if personal liberty used for Roe in Dobbs. This opens the door for undercutting liberty in many ways.
You really need to read the content of some of the laws going in effect in some states. They contradict your points. Data from phone locators can be sold to bounty hunters (TX) or requested by warrant as evidence of a woman being at an abortion clinic. Women who need d&c for miscarriage or ectopic pregnancy or molar pregnancy can't get it in some states. A 14 year old in TX is pregnant by assault by a family member and has no freedom to terminate. That was last week. Grandmother now has to figure out how to get her to another state. There are laws in the works to prevent women from crossing state lines. They could pass in heavily gerrymandered states.
Also, the latest scotus decision contradicts the last about religious freedom.

Freedoms are not being preserved (unless you count freedom to concealed carry -- ugh).

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Anonymous wrote:Who cares if they decide not to go to College X, Y, Z. They probably don’t need another liberal brainwashed anyways.

This os a dumb take that ignores the economic realities of higher education in 2022. There is a finite supply of parents of college age kids out there who are full pay, when full pay looks like $300k (or more per kid). Maybe the top 5-7% of the population. Top 10% is 200k HHI and That’s the donut hole. And conservative parents who can pay this amount often do not believe the brand name education or an OOS education is worth the high price tag. They often send their kids a tier down with merit or in state. The issue for a brand name school isn’t filling seats post Roe. It’s filling enough seats with full pay students, who effectively subsidize everyone else.

The problem with you take is that the parents you call “liberal brainwashed,” colleges call “highly coveted full pay” and “necessary to keep the light on”.

And on to this that the number of high school grads have peaked and the long anticipated college demographic cliff is coming. And yeah— some red state schools will have issues.

And I agree— it’s that the people of the state have elected people who have codified a second class citizenship status. It is degrading. Also, you send a kid to Wash U. She has an unplanned pregnancy. She comes home and you discuss this as a family and she decides to have an abortion in the DMV. She goes back to Wash U. Which is in a state with laws against leaving MO for an abortion. Congrats. Your kid is a felon. And you think MO wouldn’t love to make an example of a liberal college kid?

Off topic-- but how does that work? Kid is not technically domiciled in a red state, they are domiciled in their home state, attending college in the red state. With the exception of private colleges, they pay out of state tuition and are on their parents' tax returns. I understand that they have to follow the laws where they are attending college, while they are there---but can Missouri hold an out of state resident as a prisoner and prevent her from getting health care in her home state? That would make Missouri it's own country.

Who wants to spend all that time is Missouri regardless? They have one of the most draconian, anti women laws now out there. No thanks. Treat your women better Missouri.

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Anonymous wrote:"The U.S. Supreme Court's decision in June to overturn the 1973 Roe v. Wade case that legalized abortion nationwide has some students rethinking their higher education plans as states rush to ban or curtail abortion, according to interviews with 20 students and college advisers across the country.

For some students, the restrictions raise fears that they won't be able to get an abortion if they need one or that they will face discrimination for gender differences. Others said they worried about facing racial prejudice or being politically ostracized.

"I'm only in high school right now, and I'm still finding out who I am," said Samira Murad, 17, who will be a senior this fall at Stuyvesant High School in New York. "I don't want to move somewhere I can't be myself because of laws put in place."

It is too soon to determine whether such concerns will affect admissions in a measurable way, and evidence from other recent divisive state laws suggests there may be little overall impact.

But in the wake of Roe's overturn, college counselors said abortion has figured prominently in many conversations with clients, with some going as far as nixing their dream schools."

Kristen Willmott, a counselor with Top Tier Admissions in Massachusetts, said students she works with have told her they are taking some top schools in Texas, Florida and Tennessee off their application lists due to their restrictive abortion laws.

Alexis Prisco, who is entering her senior year at Eastern Technical High School in Maryland, had planned to apply to her parents' alma mater, Washington University in St. Louis, Missouri."

https://news.yahoo.com/u-students-think-college-plans-101417689.html

What the hell? I'm pro-choice but that quote is insanity. Abortion is not birth control. Someone please inform this girl of that.

+1000. Translation: I don't want to move somewhere that I have to act responsibly and put a lid on my wild sex life.

You want to force all college kids to abstain from sex?

You can’t force your religious views on others.

You want to encourage irresponsible behavior.
You can’t force your views on others.

You don’t have to have sex in college if you don’t want to. No one is forcing you to do that.

Good, you finally admit it.

And similarly you can’t force others to abstain.

And similarly you can’t force abortion to be constitutional when it’s not.

Oh it was for almost 50 years and it will be again. The right showed us how that is done thank you very much. Change the justices...change the constitutional rights.

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Now that the GOP killed stare decisis all kinds of things are up for grabs.

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Anonymous wrote:"The U.S. Supreme Court's decision in June to overturn the 1973 Roe v. Wade case that legalized abortion nationwide has some students rethinking their higher education plans as states rush to ban or curtail abortion, according to interviews with 20 students and college advisers across the country.

For some students, the restrictions raise fears that they won't be able to get an abortion if they need one or that they will face discrimination for gender differences. Others said they worried about facing racial prejudice or being politically ostracized.

"I'm only in high school right now, and I'm still finding out who I am," said Samira Murad, 17, who will be a senior this fall at Stuyvesant High School in New York. "I don't want to move somewhere I can't be myself because of laws put in place."

It is too soon to determine whether such concerns will affect admissions in a measurable way, and evidence from other recent divisive state laws suggests there may be little overall impact.

But in the wake of Roe's overturn, college counselors said abortion has figured prominently in many conversations with clients, with some going as far as nixing their dream schools."


Everyone read Josh Hawleys most recent article then come back on here and say you are still sending your kid to a red state.

After mid terms they will win and it is going to be horrific.

They are coming for all rights not just women's healthcare.

They don't even want you to have a job.

ACB was put on that court for one reason only. If you can not understand where we are headed you are an idiot. They are literally screaming it from the roof tops. From Utube to their own websites this is not hard people. Check out Tony Tinderholt or Andy Briggs of Texas and come back and tell me how women or minorties are going to have any rights in Texas. Florida as well. DeStantis is no dummy he has already installed his generals. Florida is screwed.
Kristen Willmott, a counselor with Top Tier Admissions in Massachusetts, said students she works with have told her they are taking some top schools in Texas, Florida and Tennessee off their application lists due to their restrictive abortion laws.

Alexis Prisco, who is entering her senior year at Eastern Technical High School in Maryland, had planned to apply to her parents' alma mater, Washington University in St. Louis, Missouri."

https://news.yahoo.com/u-students-think-college-plans-101417689.html

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Anonymous wrote:"The U.S. Supreme Court's decision in June to overturn the 1973 Roe v. Wade case that legalized abortion nationwide has some students rethinking their higher education plans as states rush to ban or curtail abortion, according to interviews with 20 students and college advisers across the country.

For some students, the restrictions raise fears that they won't be able to get an abortion if they need one or that they will face discrimination for gender differences. Others said they worried about facing racial prejudice or being politically ostracized.

"I'm only in high school right now, and I'm still finding out who I am," said Samira Murad, 17, who will be a senior this fall at Stuyvesant High School in New York. "I don't want to move somewhere I can't be myself because of laws put in place."

It is too soon to determine whether such concerns will affect admissions in a measurable way, and evidence from other recent divisive state laws suggests there may be little overall impact.

But in the wake of Roe's overturn, college counselors said abortion has figured prominently in many conversations with clients, with some going as far as nixing their dream schools."

Kristen Willmott, a counselor with Top Tier Admissions in Massachusetts, said students she works with have told her they are taking some top schools in Texas, Florida and Tennessee off their application lists due to their restrictive abortion laws.

Alexis Prisco, who is entering her senior year at Eastern Technical High School in Maryland, had planned to apply to her parents' alma mater, Washington University in St. Louis, Missouri."

https://news.yahoo.com/u-students-think-college-plans-101417689.html

What the hell? I'm pro-choice but that quote is insanity. Abortion is not birth control. Someone please inform this girl of that.

Read the article’s references to “gender differences”. LGBTQ people are under attack as well. Don’t say Gay, amirite?

NP: Gay or not you seem to have fallen for way too many conspiracy theories. Check your paranoia my friend.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe we'd be better off sending our girls to the schools we want - including red states - but getting them all IUDs first. Assuming those remain available.

I had an ectopic pregnancy with a Minera IUD. Very scary— mine ruptured and it was a running to the ER situation. And I learned that IUDs can and do fail. And when they do, the pregnancy is often ectopic and needs to be terminated under emergency conditions so the woman doesn’t bleed out. I would not want my daughter to have an ectopic pregnancy in a red state. Plus, there is an injectable numbing agent that is often used for IUD insertion and removal ( and sometimes removals are medically necessary because the IUD perforates the uterus, for example. The same numbing agent is used in abortions. Now red state pharmacies are refusing to dispense the medication because they are afraid it could be diverted for abortions

Thanks for sharing your story.

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Anonymous wrote:Who cares if they decide not to go to College X, Y, Z. They probably don’t need another liberal brainwashed anyways.

This os a dumb take that ignores the economic realities of higher education in 2022. There is a finite supply of parents of college age kids out there who are full pay, when full pay looks like $300k (or more per kid). Maybe the top 5-7% of the population. Top 10% is 200k HHI and That’s the donut hole. And conservative parents who can pay this amount often do not believe the brand name education or an OOS education is worth the high price tag. They often send their kids a tier down with merit or in state. The issue for a brand name school isn’t filling seats post Roe. It’s filling enough seats with full pay students, who effectively subsidize everyone else.

The problem with you take is that the parents you call “liberal brainwashed,” colleges call “highly coveted full pay” and “necessary to keep the light on”.

And on to this that the number of high school grads have peaked and the long anticipated college demographic cliff is coming. And yeah— some red state schools will have issues.

And I agree— it’s that the people of the state have elected people who have codified a second class citizenship status. It is degrading. Also, you send a kid to Wash U. She has an unplanned pregnancy. She comes home and you discuss this as a family and she decides to have an abortion in the DMV. She goes back to Wash U. Which is in a state with laws against leaving MO for an abortion. Congrats. Your kid is a felon. And you think MO wouldn’t love to make an example of a liberal college kid?

Off topic-- but how does that work? Kid is not technically domiciled in a red state, they are domiciled in their home state, attending college in the red state. With the exception of private colleges, they pay out of state tuition and are on their parents' tax returns. I understand that they have to follow the laws where they are attending college, while they are there---but can Missouri hold an out of state resident as a prisoner and prevent her from getting health care in her home state? That would make Missouri it's own country.

Who wants to spend all that time is Missouri regardless? They have one of the most draconian, anti women laws now out there. No thanks. Treat your women better Missouri.

We're talking about abortion. What specific draconian anti-women laws are you referring to?

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Anonymous wrote:Who cares if they decide not to go to College X, Y, Z. They probably don’t need another liberal brainwashed anyways.

This os a dumb take that ignores the economic realities of higher education in 2022. There is a finite supply of parents of college age kids out there who are full pay, when full pay looks like $300k (or more per kid). Maybe the top 5-7% of the population. Top 10% is 200k HHI and That’s the donut hole. And conservative parents who can pay this amount often do not believe the brand name education or an OOS education is worth the high price tag. They often send their kids a tier down with merit or in state. The issue for a brand name school isn’t filling seats post Roe. It’s filling enough seats with full pay students, who effectively subsidize everyone else.

The problem with you take is that the parents you call “liberal brainwashed,” colleges call “highly coveted full pay” and “necessary to keep the light on”.

And on to this that the number of high school grads have peaked and the long anticipated college demographic cliff is coming. And yeah— some red state schools will have issues.

And I agree— it’s that the people of the state have elected people who have codified a second class citizenship status. It is degrading. Also, you send a kid to Wash U. She has an unplanned pregnancy. She comes home and you discuss this as a family and she decides to have an abortion in the DMV. She goes back to Wash U. Which is in a state with laws against leaving MO for an abortion. Congrats. Your kid is a felon. And you think MO wouldn’t love to make an example of a liberal college kid?

Off topic-- but how does that work? Kid is not technically domiciled in a red state, they are domiciled in their home state, attending college in the red state. With the exception of private colleges, they pay out of state tuition and are on their parents' tax returns. I understand that they have to follow the laws where they are attending college, while they are there---but can Missouri hold an out of state resident as a prisoner and prevent her from getting health care in her home state? That would make Missouri it's own country.

From a Constitutional Law perspective, there is a right (written in the Constitution!) to interstate travel. And states must give full faith and credit to laws of other states. A ban on women, or a certain class of women, leaving the state to engage in behavior that is legal in another state is also flat out illegal from an equal protection standpoint. The right is just following the same playbook they used for gay marriage and trying to use scare tactics to pressure women. For example, gambling in casinos may be illegal in your state. But you can’t be charged with a crime. For going to Vegas.

As for residency, that is always tricky for college kids. Some states would count them as residents because they spend 51% of the time in the state. Some states put up a lot of hoops because in state tuition may be at issue. In general, don’t have your kid change voter registration, get a drivers license, or register a car in the red state. It’s not always a choice, but it’s better if they don’t pay taxes in the state, or if they also do some work in their home state. It’s best if they can find a way around signing a lease. It’s a multi factorial analysis. But in VA at least, signing a lease I’d a big piece, and drivers license, voting, car registration and work/taxation are also considered.

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Anonymous wrote:How many abortions are these girls trying to get in the next four years?

Fair question.

The chance of being subject to a violent crime is much higher -- maybe students should spend more time pondering that.

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Anonymous wrote:Who cares if they decide not to go to College X, Y, Z. They probably don’t need another liberal brainwashed anyways.

This os a dumb take that ignores the economic realities of higher education in 2022. There is a finite supply of parents of college age kids out there who are full pay, when full pay looks like $300k (or more per kid). Maybe the top 5-7% of the population. Top 10% is 200k HHI and That’s the donut hole. And conservative parents who can pay this amount often do not believe the brand name education or an OOS education is worth the high price tag. They often send their kids a tier down with merit or in state. The issue for a brand name school isn’t filling seats post Roe. It’s filling enough seats with full pay students, who effectively subsidize everyone else.

The problem with you take is that the parents you call “liberal brainwashed,” colleges call “highly coveted full pay” and “necessary to keep the light on”.

And on to this that the number of high school grads have peaked and the long anticipated college demographic cliff is coming. And yeah— some red state schools will have issues.

And I agree— it’s that the people of the state have elected people who have codified a second class citizenship status. It is degrading. Also, you send a kid to Wash U. She has an unplanned pregnancy. She comes home and you discuss this as a family and she decides to have an abortion in the DMV. She goes back to Wash U. Which is in a state with laws against leaving MO for an abortion. Congrats. Your kid is a felon. And you think MO wouldn’t love to make an example of a liberal college kid?

Off topic-- but how does that work? Kid is not technically domiciled in a red state, they are domiciled in their home state, attending college in the red state. With the exception of private colleges, they pay out of state tuition and are on their parents' tax returns. I understand that they have to follow the laws where they are attending college, while they are there---but can Missouri hold an out of state resident as a prisoner and prevent her from getting health care in her home state? That would make Missouri it's own country.

Who wants to spend all that time is Missouri regardless? They have one of the most draconian, anti women laws now out there. No thanks. Treat your women better Missouri.

We're talking about abortion. What specific draconian anti-women laws are you referring to?

Look up what is in place now in missouri. Horrible.