Do you consider state laws/health care access effecting your child when selecting college?

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Anonymous wrote:Yes. My kids decided never to go to Texas or Florida much less attend college there. I support those decisions although there aren’t any good colleges I either state anyway.

BS. There are great colleges in Texas. One being Rice which is likely better than what you attended,
if you attended college at all, and UT which has one of the best engineering programs in the country. You snarky add on is a typical juvenile response.

DP. That sounds like a clever response, except it doesn't take a lot of effort to identify the only two good schools in a state twice the size and with half the population of Germany.

Well which is it? It doesn’t have any good schools or it does. It’s just not good because of now schools are rated by being compared to how many there are in a state by its size and population to a European country. Is that how we rate schools now?

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Anonymous wrote:Those that don’t think this could affect their student, are you watching what’s happening in Louisiana tonight?

https://www.newsweek.com/louisiana-law-would-ban-abortion-conception-punishable-murder-1704013

I could not in good conscience send my child to school in a state with this type of draconian law if it passes.

It's okay. The only good school in LA is Tulane. Other than that they have drunken partying and abject pollution from spills due to Katrina, the Deepwater Horizon, and cancer alley.

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Anonymous wrote:I guess I am an outlier, but not planning on my kid getting pregnant at college. But I'm in full support of banning abortion after 15 weeks- I have trouble how parents feel otherwise. You KNOW what this fetus becomes. At 15 weeks we know enough that the fetus is capable of feeling, so really don't understand how people can be pro-abortion at this point. Totally understand f-ups happen and the women shouldn't bear the brunt of it for life if they aren't ready but 15 weeks is plenty of time to stop things before it turns into a human that feels pain.

Without conceding your belief about a fetus being a person -- we allow people to kill other fully formed and pain-feeling people for all kinds of reasons such as self defense. It is perfectly logical to believe that a fetus is a person and also believe that the mother's bodily autonomy allows her to end the pregnancy.

There is no other context besides pregnancy in which we try to force someone to risk their health for another: we don't force organ donation, or even make people help someone who is injured. Nobody can even donate your dead body to science unless you consented to that while alive. Meanwhile there are many situations in which it's legal to kill another living person in order to protect yourself or even your non-living property.

The idea that a human is not allowed to protect her body from this incredibly invasive, medically dangerous, and bodily altering event is bizarre to me. So yes I am pro-abortion, even though I would like to reduce the need for them as much as possible.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes. My kids decided never to go to Texas or Florida much less attend college there. I support those decisions although there aren’t any good colleges I either state anyway.

BS. There are great colleges in Texas. One being Rice which is likely better than what you attended,
if you attended college at all, and UT which has one of the best engineering programs in the country. You snarky add on is a typical juvenile response.

DP. That sounds like a clever response, except it doesn't take a lot of effort to identify the only two good schools in a state twice the size and with half the population of Germany.

What the hell kind of analogy is that? Lady, don’t worry, if your kids get your genes, they are not going to any school even in states that provide a robust amount of schools.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes. I don't want my kid to me a mom as an undergraduate. Schools like Washington University are totally out now that Missouri is criminalizing abortions for people who become pregnant in Missouri regardless of where the procedure is preformed.

Maybe tell her not to sleep around?

+1. It’s like they are expecting their daughters to get pregnant and that it’s routine.

Oh, right, your perfect children won’t have sex until marriage, right?

I was a good responsible girl and top student. Didn’t stop me from having sex with my HS boyfriend at 16. Doesn’t make me a slut - makes me a completely normal human. I took precautions - we used 2 forms of protection. So I was a sexually responsible human teen.

If you think your college students aren’t having sex, I have a bridge to sell you

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Anonymous wrote:I guess I am an outlier, but not planning on my kid getting pregnant at college. But I'm in full support of banning abortion after 15 weeks- I have trouble how parents feel otherwise. You KNOW what this fetus becomes. At 15 weeks we know enough that the fetus is capable of feeling, so really don't understand how people can be pro-abortion at this point. Totally understand f-ups happen and the women shouldn't bear the brunt of it for life if they aren't ready but 15 weeks is plenty of time to stop things before it turns into a human that feels pain.

Oh yes, you aren’t planning on it, unlike all those other parents who WERE planning on their daughters getting pregnant in college. I guess my best friend from high school was planning on getting attacked and raped at 4pm by a random stranger with a knife in an alley next to her dorm, but YOUR daughter is making no such plans so she should be fine.

Again, I don't quite get this. If she were raped, she would take the morning after pill. If her birth control pills failed she would get an early abortion. If early abortion is banned outright, I will take her elsewhere. There are a lot of options between regulating abortion and having 3rd trimester abortions legal. I mean seriously, how can any parent of a child support it? I honestly and sincerely dont see it. There will always be plenty of options for early abortions in the US but honestly its just easiest to put the girls on the pill or IUD, they are headed there anyway realistically. Who among us is still practicing natural family planning these days?

This is such bad faith framing. Nobody gets 3rd trimester abortions without an extremely good reason, such as finding out that the fetus is non-viable. This information is easily ascertainable. People only bring up their trimester elective abortions when they want to engage in a debate on the basis of emotion rather than facts. But as long as this is the argument you want to have, I, the parent of three beloved children, find it abhorrent and unconscionable that you think the government should force women to remain pregnant with non-viable children, to suffer for months, risk permanent injury through pregnancy and childbirth, and then to hold their babies as they suffer and die painfully shortly after birth. Those are the people getting third trimester abortions. You are a monster.

So I almost died with my first child. I was very healthy and my pregnancy was progressing when boom. I was diagnosed with a rare disease of pregnancy and fortunately I lived in an area where i could access excellent emergency acute care and a top level NICU. The difference for me and my preemie was access to health care. People in other parts of the US without the same access to health care. One of my kids has a serious chronic medical condition. It has affected how we travel. It is risky traveling to places without ready access to medical care. We’ve had things go wrong and being far from good health care in an emergency is scary and stressful. We are discussing these issues with our kids because it is both a quality of life issue and a health and safety issue. We’ve experienced that first hand and think it is irresponsible to not at least think about and discuss it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Yes. My kids decided never to go to Texas or Florida much less attend college there. I support those decisions although there aren’t any good colleges I either state anyway.

BS. There are great colleges in Texas. One being Rice which is likely better than what you attended,
if you attended college at all, and UT which has one of the best engineering programs in the country. You snarky add on is a typical juvenile response.

DP. That sounds like a clever response, except it doesn't take a lot of effort to identify the only two good schools in a state twice the size and with half the population of Germany.

We are hysterically laughing over her at this! I’m embarrassed for you.
Here’s another statistic. Texas had the 10th largest economy on the world. Yeah, it sucks so bad!

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Anonymous wrote:Yes. I don't want my kid to me a mom as an undergraduate. Schools like Washington University are totally out now that Missouri is criminalizing abortions for people who become pregnant in Missouri regardless of where the procedure is preformed.

Maybe tell her not to sleep around?

+1. It’s like they are expecting their daughters to get pregnant and that it’s routine.

Oh, right, your perfect children won’t have sex until marriage, right?

I was a good responsible girl and top student. Didn’t stop me from having sex with my HS boyfriend at 16. Doesn’t make me a slut - makes me a completely normal human. I took precautions - we used 2 forms of protection. So I was a sexually responsible human teen.

If you think your college students aren’t having sex, I have a bridge to sell you

If you think all college girls get pregnant, I have a bigger bridge to sell you. If you think birth control and condoms are a made up invention, I’ve got a second bridge to sell you.

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Anonymous wrote:I guess I am an outlier, but not planning on my kid getting pregnant at college. But I'm in full support of banning abortion after 15 weeks- I have trouble how parents feel otherwise. You KNOW what this fetus becomes. At 15 weeks we know enough that the fetus is capable of feeling, so really don't understand how people can be pro-abortion at this point. Totally understand f-ups happen and the women shouldn't bear the brunt of it for life if they aren't ready but 15 weeks is plenty of time to stop things before it turns into a human that feels pain.

Oh yes, you aren’t planning on it, unlike all those other parents who WERE planning on their daughters getting pregnant in college. I guess my best friend from high school was planning on getting attacked and raped at 4pm by a random stranger with a knife in an alley next to her dorm, but YOUR daughter is making no such plans so she should be fine.

Again, I don't quite get this. If she were raped, she would take the morning after pill. If her birth control pills failed she would get an early abortion. If early abortion is banned outright, I will take her elsewhere. There are a lot of options between regulating abortion and having 3rd trimester abortions legal. I mean seriously, how can any parent of a child support it? I honestly and sincerely dont see it. There will always be plenty of options for early abortions in the US but honestly its just easiest to put the girls on the pill or IUD, they are headed there anyway realistically. Who among us is still practicing natural family planning these days?

So you don't think that traveling out of state for an abortion won't be criminalized (it already has).

You don't think BC methods that prevent implantation could be banned (already there)?

So you don't think abortifacients could be banned?

Who is talking about making 3rd trimester abortions legal, unless under extreme circumstances threatening the life of the mother?

Just curious, but where has Plan B been banned (you wrote "already there")? Nowhere to my knowledge, but maybe I am missing something. And I don't consider proposed laws the same as approved laws. Most proposed laws never get passed. And lots of anti-abortion supporters have no problem with the pill, by the way.

I'm not the PP you're responding to, but 13 states have "trigger laws" that will bad abortion once Roe is officially overturned. They are already laws on the books, but by their own language do not go into effect until a state official certifies Roe is overturned. Additionally, several states have laws on the books that pre-date Roe; these are unenforceable while Roe stands but would become enforceable after it falls. These laws are written broadly enough to cover things that prevent (or that Republicans believe prevent) implantation, including the Pill, Plan B, and IUDs.

Maybe and maybe not. There are people asserting this in media, but other legal scholars think this is a hasty and likely unjustified conclusion so it's far from a fact. But I can't rule out the possibility, of course. Just pointing out there is no impending ban that clearly covers this at this time. And I've read a number of Republicans stating that although they support banning abortion, they have zero intention of going after birth control (maybe because their own daughters use it).

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Anonymous wrote:I guess I am an outlier, but not planning on my kid getting pregnant at college. But I'm in full support of banning abortion after 15 weeks- I have trouble how parents feel otherwise. You KNOW what this fetus becomes. At 15 weeks we know enough that the fetus is capable of feeling, so really don't understand how people can be pro-abortion at this point. Totally understand f-ups happen and the women shouldn't bear the brunt of it for life if they aren't ready but 15 weeks is plenty of time to stop things before it turns into a human that feels pain.

Oh yes, you aren’t planning on it, unlike all those other parents who WERE planning on their daughters getting pregnant in college. I guess my best friend from high school was planning on getting attacked and raped at 4pm by a random stranger with a knife in an alley next to her dorm, but YOUR daughter is making no such plans so she should be fine.

Again, I don't quite get this. If she were raped, she would take the morning after pill. If her birth control pills failed she would get an early abortion. If early abortion is banned outright, I will take her elsewhere. There are a lot of options between regulating abortion and having 3rd trimester abortions legal. I mean seriously, how can any parent of a child support it? I honestly and sincerely dont see it. There will always be plenty of options for early abortions in the US but honestly its just easiest to put the girls on the pill or IUD, they are headed there anyway realistically. Who among us is still practicing natural family planning these days?

This is such bad faith framing. Nobody gets 3rd trimester abortions without an extremely good reason, such as finding out that the fetus is non-viable. This information is easily ascertainable. People only bring up their trimester elective abortions when they want to engage in a debate on the basis of emotion rather than facts. But as long as this is the argument you want to have, I, the parent of three beloved children, find it abhorrent and unconscionable that you think the government should force women to remain pregnant with non-viable children, to suffer for months, risk permanent injury through pregnancy and childbirth, and then to hold their babies as they suffer and die painfully shortly after birth. Those are the people getting third trimester abortions. You are a monster.

So I almost died with my first child. I was very healthy and my pregnancy was progressing when boom. I was diagnosed with a rare disease of pregnancy and fortunately I lived in an area where i could access excellent emergency acute care and a top level NICU. The difference for me and my preemie was access to health care. People in other parts of the US without the same access to health care. One of my kids has a serious chronic medical condition. It has affected how we travel. It is risky traveling to places without ready access to medical care. We’ve had things go wrong and being far from good health care in an emergency is scary and stressful. We are discussing these issues with our kids because it is both a quality of life issue and a health and safety issue. We’ve experienced that first hand and think it is irresponsible to not at least think about and discuss it.

Ok but all if that is irrelevant-your still going to get the same xlnt care for yourself and a premie in Texas.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes. I don't want my kid to me a mom as an undergraduate. Schools like Washington University are totally out now that Missouri is criminalizing abortions for people who become pregnant in Missouri regardless of where the procedure is preformed.

Maybe tell her not to sleep around?

+1. It’s like they are expecting their daughters to get pregnant and that it’s routine.

Oh, right, your perfect children won’t have sex until marriage, right?

I was a good responsible girl and top student. Didn’t stop me from having sex with my HS boyfriend at 16. Doesn’t make me a slut - makes me a completely normal human. I took precautions - we used 2 forms of protection. So I was a sexually responsible human teen.

If you think your college students aren’t having sex, I have a bridge to sell you

If you think all college girls get pregnant, I have a bigger bridge to sell you. If you think birth control and condoms are a made up invention, I’ve got a second bridge to sell you.

If you think your daughter can't fall victim to rape, I have a bridge to sell you.

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Anonymous wrote:I haven't read the other replies, but: Absolutely. I have three daughters. I will not send them to any college in a state that bans, or is on the cusp of banning, abortion. I'd be especially opposed to paying state school tuition in such a state. My girls agree.

Just so you know---there are at least 26 states that you and your girls are opposed to.

PP you're responding to. That's right. Good thing there are 20+ that are acceptable to us.

Thank goodness!

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If you are not considering the implications of an unwanted college pregnancy in a red state for your daughter, or what would happened if she helped out a friend/or roommate out of of kindness, or what would campus life be like if plan B and iuds are not easily accessible, you are insane.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes. I don't want my kid to me a mom as an undergraduate. Schools like Washington University are totally out now that Missouri is criminalizing abortions for people who become pregnant in Missouri regardless of where the procedure is preformed.

Maybe tell her not to sleep around?

+1. It’s like they are expecting their daughters to get pregnant and that it’s routine.

Oh, right, your perfect children won’t have sex until marriage, right?

I was a good responsible girl and top student. Didn’t stop me from having sex with my HS boyfriend at 16. Doesn’t make me a slut - makes me a completely normal human. I took precautions - we used 2 forms of protection. So I was a sexually responsible human teen.

If you think your college students aren’t having sex, I have a bridge to sell you

If you think all college girls get pregnant, I have a bigger bridge to sell you. If you think birth control and condoms are a made up invention, I’ve got a second bridge to sell you.

Nowhere did I say any of that

I specifically said I was using 2 forms of birth control at 16. I believe in birth control and std protection.

Not all teens are that responsible. And you can preach abstinence all you want - most of them will have sex before college is over. And, even if they use protection, none of those are 100% effective

Do I think every girl having sex in college gets pregnant? No. But I also don’t want to lose my child because something did happen and the state she is in doesn’t allow a life saving operation in worst case scenario

Teach your kids about safe sex, obviously, and feel free to tell them that the only truly safe sex is no sex (they probably won’t listen, but sure, say it). Maybe arm them with mace and/or teach them self defense in case she is attacked.

But stop being naive - things do happen no matter how well you think you parented them and/or how responsible they might be.

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Anonymous wrote:I guess I am an outlier, but not planning on my kid getting pregnant at college. But I'm in full support of banning abortion after 15 weeks- I have trouble how parents feel otherwise. You KNOW what this fetus becomes. At 15 weeks we know enough that the fetus is capable of feeling, so really don't understand how people can be pro-abortion at this point. Totally understand f-ups happen and the women shouldn't bear the brunt of it for life if they aren't ready but 15 weeks is plenty of time to stop things before it turns into a human that feels pain.

Oh yes, you aren’t planning on it, unlike all those other parents who WERE planning on their daughters getting pregnant in college. I guess my best friend from high school was planning on getting attacked and raped at 4pm by a random stranger with a knife in an alley next to her dorm, but YOUR daughter is making no such plans so she should be fine.

Again, I don't quite get this. If she were raped, she would take the morning after pill. If her birth control pills failed she would get an early abortion. If early abortion is banned outright, I will take her elsewhere. There are a lot of options between regulating abortion and having 3rd trimester abortions legal. I mean seriously, how can any parent of a child support it? I honestly and sincerely dont see it. There will always be plenty of options for early abortions in the US but honestly its just easiest to put the girls on the pill or IUD, they are headed there anyway realistically. Who among us is still practicing natural family planning these days?

So you don't think that traveling out of state for an abortion won't be criminalized (it already has).

You don't think BC methods that prevent implantation could be banned (already there)?

So you don't think abortifacients could be banned?

Who is talking about making 3rd trimester abortions legal, unless under extreme circumstances threatening the life of the mother?

Just curious, but where has Plan B been banned (you wrote "already there")? Nowhere to my knowledge, but maybe I am missing something. And I don't consider proposed laws the same as approved laws. Most proposed laws never get passed. And lots of anti-abortion supporters have no problem with the pill, by the way.

I'm not the PP you're responding to, but 13 states have "trigger laws" that will bad abortion once Roe is officially overturned. They are already laws on the books, but by their own language do not go into effect until a state official certifies Roe is overturned. Additionally, several states have laws on the books that pre-date Roe; these are unenforceable while Roe stands but would become enforceable after it falls. These laws are written broadly enough to cover things that prevent (or that Republicans believe prevent) implantation, including the Pill, Plan B, and IUDs.

Maybe and maybe not. There are people asserting this in media, but other legal scholars think this is a hasty and likely unjustified conclusion so it's far from a fact. But I can't rule out the possibility, of course. Just pointing out there is no impending ban that clearly covers this at this time. And I've read a number of Republicans stating that although they support banning abortion, they have zero intention of going after birth control (maybe because their own daughters use it).

The bolded statement is simply false. If you don't want to engage with the subject that's fine, but then please don't shower us with your opinions.

Have you actually read the trigger laws, which again are enacted laws on the books at this time? I have. They say things like "the use or prescription of an instrument, medicine, drug, or other substance or device with the intent to terminate a clinically diagnosable pregnancy" and define pregnancy or unborn child to include "the human conceptus, zygote, morula, blastocyst, embryo, and fetus" or beginning at "that point in time when a male human sperm penetrates the zona pellucida of a female human ovum." And whatever fine distinctions legal scholars or even Republican politicians think might be found in there, are not really relevant to whether the State Atty General decides to charge or the conservative judge decides to order.