UVA with Jefferson Scholarship vs Harvard

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Anonymous wrote:I agree, I hire high level people (200K+) and I have never heard of a jefferson scholarship until my child was a senior at a VA school. Go to Harvard unless you will be in debt forever. Its major league/minor league. Both good.

Why would you care about where "high level" people went to college? Sounds, ummm, untrue.

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Anonymous wrote:I agree, I hire high level people (200K+) and I have never heard of a jefferson scholarship until my child was a senior at a VA school. Go to Harvard unless you will be in debt forever. Its major league/minor league. Both good.

Why would you care about where "high level" people went to college? Sounds, ummm, untrue.

Really? Interesting. I will tell you why I care. The old school top schools were a litmus test of intellect. It was an IQ test on the resume. People can make up ANYTHING on their resume or linkedin (and trust me, they do). The referrals they give you are only going to speak positively. Former HR offices will tell you nothing for fear of a lawsuit. Unless it's a technical interview with coding or other tests, it's very difficult to determine if someone is a hero or zero in an hour conversation. Its probably the biggest inefficiency in modern work - so many posers, why can't I see their last 10 years of performance reviews? Anyway, I digress. The point is, I do give extra special treatment to UVA grads and Ivy grads (pre-2017, I no longer believe in academic rigor being the Ivy's priority) because I knew they were smart to be going there and smart people can be trained, grown and have more potential regardless of role.

So yeah, not sure why you think that is weird. Regardless, never heard of a Jefferson scholar until this year.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Where does DC want to live and what field to work in? If DC wants dc, Charlotte, Atlanta, I’d pick UVA. Otherwise Harvard. I worked in banking in ny. There was one major bank that had a senior uva grad so hired a lot but other firms didn’t put uva at the same level. I know that wasn’t the case in the south

Wall Street is teeming with UVA Mcintire and Darden alums.

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Anonymous wrote:I agree, I hire high level people (200K+) and I have never heard of a jefferson scholarship until my child was a senior at a VA school. Go to Harvard unless you will be in debt forever. Its major league/minor league. Both good.

Why would you care about where "high level" people went to college? Sounds, ummm, untrue.

Really? Interesting. I will tell you why I care. The old school top schools were a litmus test of intellect. It was an IQ test on the resume. People can make up ANYTHING on their resume or linkedin (and trust me, they do). The referrals they give you are only going to speak positively. Former HR offices will tell you nothing for fear of a lawsuit. Unless it's a technical interview with coding or other tests, it's very difficult to determine if someone is a hero or zero in an hour conversation. Its probably the biggest inefficiency in modern work - so many posers, why can't I see their last 10 years of performance reviews? Anyway, I digress. The point is, I do give extra special treatment to UVA grads and Ivy grads (pre-2017, I no longer believe in academic rigor being the Ivy's priority) because I knew they were smart to be going there and smart people can be trained, grown and have more potential regardless of role.

So yeah, not sure why you think that is weird. Regardless, never heard of a Jefferson scholar until this year.

Nope.

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I would pick UVA and I’m not from Virginia. Harvard undergrad would be silly.

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I knew a MIT grad with a $100,000 debt. She said she's screwed.
Harvard isn't worth $80,000+/year = $320,000.

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Anonymous wrote:I agree, I hire high level people (200K+) and I have never heard of a jefferson scholarship until my child was a senior at a VA school. Go to Harvard unless you will be in debt forever. Its major league/minor league. Both good.

Why would you care about where "high level" people went to college? Sounds, ummm, untrue.

Really? Interesting. I will tell you why I care. The old school top schools were a litmus test of intellect. It was an IQ test on the resume. People can make up ANYTHING on their resume or linkedin (and trust me, they do). The referrals they give you are only going to speak positively. Former HR offices will tell you nothing for fear of a lawsuit. Unless it's a technical interview with coding or other tests, it's very difficult to determine if someone is a hero or zero in an hour conversation. Its probably the biggest inefficiency in modern work - so many posers, why can't I see their last 10 years of performance reviews? Anyway, I digress. The point is, I do give extra special treatment to UVA grads and Ivy grads (pre-2017, I no longer believe in academic rigor being the Ivy's priority) because I knew they were smart to be going there and smart people can be trained, grown and have more potential regardless of role.

So yeah, not sure why you think that is weird. Regardless, never heard of a Jefferson scholar until this year.

Let me introduce you to the concept of at-will employment.

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$80,000+/year = $320,000

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Anonymous wrote:Never heard of the Jefferson scholarship, but I have certainly heard of Harvard. As has everyone all around the world.

I'd take Harvard unless it would be impossible financially.

It’s a full ride to UVa

Full ride plus a large stipend plus plus funding for unpaid internships plus funded study abroad over your junior year summer


https://www.jeffersonscholars.org/scholarship

+1. It's a very big deal. And a big deal on campus. Everyone knows who are the Jefferson Scholars. My DS competed for it but was passed over after the regional interviews.

I’m trying to imagine this.

Why is that difficult? There are only 4,000 in a class at UVA. The Jefferson Scholars regularly meet off campus at their center and do activities together.

Only 4K

Not the PP but it’s not a huge school. I think there are what 20 Jefferson scholars?

I agree. It’s a big deal. And everyone knows which students are the Jefferson Scholars.

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Anonymous wrote:I agree, I hire high level people (200K+) and I have never heard of a jefferson scholarship until my child was a senior at a VA school. Go to Harvard unless you will be in debt forever. Its major league/minor league. Both good.

Why would you care about where "high level" people went to college? Sounds, ummm, untrue.

Really? Interesting. I will tell you why I care. The old school top schools were a litmus test of intellect. It was an IQ test on the resume. People can make up ANYTHING on their resume or linkedin (and trust me, they do). The referrals they give you are only going to speak positively. Former HR offices will tell you nothing for fear of a lawsuit. Unless it's a technical interview with coding or other tests, it's very difficult to determine if someone is a hero or zero in an hour conversation. Its probably the biggest inefficiency in modern work - so many posers, why can't I see their last 10 years of performance reviews? Anyway, I digress. The point is, I do give extra special treatment to UVA grads and Ivy grads (pre-2017, I no longer believe in academic rigor being the Ivy's priority) because I knew they were smart to be going there and smart people can be trained, grown and have more potential regardless of role.

So yeah, not sure why you think that is weird. Regardless, never heard of a Jefferson scholar until this year.

Or of wealth.

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Anonymous wrote:I agree, I hire high level people (200K+) and I have never heard of a jefferson scholarship until my child was a senior at a VA school. Go to Harvard unless you will be in debt forever. Its major league/minor league. Both good.

Why would you care about where "high level" people went to college? Sounds, ummm, untrue.

Really? Interesting. I will tell you why I care. The old school top schools were a litmus test of intellect. It was an IQ test on the resume. People can make up ANYTHING on their resume or linkedin (and trust me, they do). The referrals they give you are only going to speak positively. Former HR offices will tell you nothing for fear of a lawsuit. Unless it's a technical interview with coding or other tests, it's very difficult to determine if someone is a hero or zero in an hour conversation. Its probably the biggest inefficiency in modern work - so many posers, why can't I see their last 10 years of performance reviews? Anyway, I digress. The point is, I do give extra special treatment to UVA grads and Ivy grads (pre-2017, I no longer believe in academic rigor being the Ivy's priority) because I knew they were smart to be going there and smart people can be trained, grown and have more potential regardless of role.

So yeah, not sure why you think that is weird. Regardless, never heard of a Jefferson scholar until this year.

And they can obviously do the same on anonymous message boards...

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Anonymous wrote:Never heard of the Jefferson scholarship, but I have certainly heard of Harvard. As has everyone all around the world.

I'd take Harvard unless it would be impossible financially.

It’s a full ride to UVa

Full ride plus a large stipend plus plus funding for unpaid internships plus funded study abroad over your junior year summer


https://www.jeffersonscholars.org/scholarship

+1. It's a very big deal. And a big deal on campus. Everyone knows who are the Jefferson Scholars. My DS competed for it but was passed over after the regional interviews.

I’m trying to imagine this.

Why is that difficult? There are only 4,000 in a class at UVA. The Jefferson Scholars regularly meet off campus at their center and do activities together.

Only 4K

Not the PP but it’s not a huge school. I think there are what 20 Jefferson scholars?

I agree. It’s a big deal. And everyone knows which students are the Jefferson Scholars.

+1 The question is not whether Harvard is "better" than UVa. The question is whether your kid wants to be a regular student student at Harvard or one of the top 20 in the class at UVA. Jefferson Scholarship is more than just a free college education. For example, at UVA, Jefferson Scholars hold the prestige positions such as the student representative to the Board of Visitors and the best research positions. From a job perspective, Jefferson Scholars attend private events with UVa's most successful alumni. Also, Jefferson Scholars are all Echols Scholars and have no area/major requirements and have priority in scheduling classes, which allows students get into classes with desired professors and get better recommendations for graduate schools.

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Anonymous wrote:Never heard of the Jefferson scholarship, but I have certainly heard of Harvard. As has everyone all around the world.

I'd take Harvard unless it would be impossible financially.

It’s a full ride to UVa

Full ride plus a large stipend plus plus funding for unpaid internships plus funded study abroad over your junior year summer


https://www.jeffersonscholars.org/scholarship

+1. It's a very big deal. And a big deal on campus. Everyone knows who are the Jefferson Scholars. My DS competed for it but was passed over after the regional interviews.

I’m trying to imagine this.

Why is that difficult? There are only 4,000 in a class at UVA. The Jefferson Scholars regularly meet off campus at their center and do activities together.

Only 4K

Not the PP but it’s not a huge school. I think there are what 20 Jefferson scholars?

I agree. It’s a big deal. And everyone knows which students are the Jefferson Scholars.

+1 The question is not whether Harvard is "better" than UVa. The question is whether your kid wants to be a regular student student at Harvard or one of the top 20 in the class at UVA. Jefferson Scholarship is more than just a free college education. For example, at UVA, Jefferson Scholars hold the prestige positions such as the student representative to the Board of Visitors and the best research positions. From a job perspective, Jefferson Scholars attend private events with UVa's most successful alumni. Also, Jefferson Scholars are all Echols Scholars and have no area/major requirements and have priority in scheduling classes, which allows students get into classes with desired professors and get better recommendations for graduate schools.

Why is this a thing? Sounds pretty unfair to me.

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Anonymous wrote:I agree, I hire high level people (200K+) and I have never heard of a jefferson scholarship until my child was a senior at a VA school. Go to Harvard unless you will be in debt forever. Its major league/minor league. Both good.

Why would you care about where "high level" people went to college? Sounds, ummm, untrue.

Really? Interesting. I will tell you why I care. The old school top schools were a litmus test of intellect. It was an IQ test on the resume. People can make up ANYTHING on their resume or linkedin (and trust me, they do). The referrals they give you are only going to speak positively. Former HR offices will tell you nothing for fear of a lawsuit. Unless it's a technical interview with coding or other tests, it's very difficult to determine if someone is a hero or zero in an hour conversation. Its probably the biggest inefficiency in modern work - so many posers, why can't I see their last 10 years of performance reviews? Anyway, I digress. The point is, I do give extra special treatment to UVA grads and Ivy grads (pre-2017, I no longer believe in academic rigor being the Ivy's priority) because I knew they were smart to be going there and smart people can be trained, grown and have more potential regardless of role.

So yeah, not sure why you think that is weird. Regardless, never heard of a Jefferson scholar until this year.

Nope.

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Anonymous wrote:I agree, I hire high level people (200K+) and I have never heard of a jefferson scholarship until my child was a senior at a VA school. Go to Harvard unless you will be in debt forever. Its major league/minor league. Both good.

Why would you care about where "high level" people went to college? Sounds, ummm, untrue.

Really? Interesting. I will tell you why I care. The old school top schools were a litmus test of intellect. It was an IQ test on the resume. People can make up ANYTHING on their resume or linkedin (and trust me, they do). The referrals they give you are only going to speak positively. Former HR offices will tell you nothing for fear of a lawsuit. Unless it's a technical interview with coding or other tests, it's very difficult to determine if someone is a hero or zero in an hour conversation. Its probably the biggest inefficiency in modern work - so many posers, why can't I see their last 10 years of performance reviews? Anyway, I digress. The point is, I do give extra special treatment to UVA grads and Ivy grads (pre-2017, I no longer believe in academic rigor being the Ivy's priority) because I knew they were smart to be going there and smart people can be trained, grown and have more potential regardless of role.

So yeah, not sure why you think that is weird. Regardless, never heard of a Jefferson scholar until this year.

Let me introduce you to the concept of at-will employment.

Poseur not poser