Private Schools Value Top Athletes Most
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One B all the rest A’s on reprogram card first two quarters. Level 4 AAP and 86th percentile on ISEE. |
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Where is the actual data from admissions? Is it from the lawsuit? |
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+1 90% of recruited athletes at Harvard don’t have low academic ratings. No one goes there because they have a great football program that will get them into the NFL or be recruited by the NBA. Why would they? Harvard, etc gets top athletes in things like squash and cross country who also happen to be excellent students. |
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Old study but some good data
http://www.people.fas.harvard.edu/~banaji/research/publications/articles/2004_Aries_RHE.pdf |
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The Ivy League very tightly regulates who can be offered a "likely letter " tip in Admissions to student/ athlete recruits who a no more than 2-3 standard deviations away from non- athlete Admit AND they stagger it to apply the strictest limit to those applicant student- athletes who's SAT/ ACT and GPA are 3 STD off. For example, if typical Harvard admit ( non-athlete recruit/ non- legacy, non URM ) has a 1570 SAT or 35/36 ACT ( yes, Athletes still have to mandatory show scores even if non-athletes don't) AND a 3.9 GPA , then Harvard is only allowed 1-2 who are 3 STD off of that for its FB team and then maybe several more who are 2 STD off of that and the greatest number offered Admit who are just 1 STD off of that. It is titrated of course down for the less popular sports. For example, Crew or Ice Hockey or FB may be allowed more Athletic tips for HS seniors who are 3 STD off of average Harvard Admit, but Track is only allowed those who are 2 STD's or 1 STD off |
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2004? Admissions have changed a lot in that time and it is way more competitive. My DH was told at his Ivy League reunion that most of them likely would not have gotten in if they were applying now 
Also, Ivy team sports have traditionally sucked but have improved greatly because admissions have gotten ridiculously competitive. Currently Ivy admits are not academically inferior in grades/test scores. Private schools have always valued top StUDENT athletes the most. In fact, being a top student academically while also excelling at a sport has always been the ideal. |
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Well,I wouldn't be so dismissive of " the bottom 3rd" of a HS class if it is, for example, NCS. Because an B at NCS is an A anywhere, including- probably-HYP, Stanford And those schools know it. Now, what you wouldn't have is Harvard taking the lower 3rd of class from Dunbar HS |
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Why is that funny to you? Weird. |
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Well, you have now. And I know plenty of kids who scored well below 1500 and attended an Ivy for lacrosse. Quite common among Baltimore private school recruits, most of the kids commit prior to have taken the SAT and then just care about meeting the minimum. But the athlete who was in the bottom third of the class is not a lacrosse player. |
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A B average at NCS isn't getting into Harvard unless the kid is an amazing athlete or has sufficienly rich and powerful parents. If the kid is that good at a sport or has those parents, they will get in even if they are the bottom third at a public school. No one, and certainly not HYP, Stanford care that it's an A anywhere else. |
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data from the lawsuit, analyzed here: https://www.nber.org/system/files/working_papers/w26316/w26316.pdf The best line from the paper: "To make this more precise, consider a white, non-ALDC applicant who has only a 1% chance of admission. If this applicant were treated as a recruited athlete, the admission probability would increase to 98%. Being a recruited athlete essentially guarantees admission even for the least-qualified applicants. A similar calculation, but in reverse, emphasizes the advantage athletes receive. An athlete who has an 86% probability of admission—the average rate among athletes—would have only a 0.1% chance of admission absent the athlete tip." |
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Also, what some on this forum bashing their kid's HS classmates for getting in unfairly as Athletes don't realize is that many NCAA D 1 programs AND even some Ivy like Princeton are now filling their teams heavily with foreign students.
Some of these International students whether they be from Ethiopia, Kenya, Australia, Ireland have already competed in JR college in their home country and are now about 23 years old come to an Ivy league school to shore up a team. So, no, its not just your kid who is getting shoved aside by their HS classmate who is a student- athlete. A DC HS recruit might have to compete for a spot in Ivy Admissions against a 23 year old Irish Jr National champion or Jamaican Olympic team member |