TJ drop outs under the new admission standards

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Kids drop out every year, even under the old system. This is nothing new.

This is correct. Prior to the admissions changes, the dropout rate was consistently between 10-15% during the freshmen year.

That seems like a pretty huge indictment of the prior admissions process. 10-15% dropping out means the old process wasn't working.

No - it was more like 4 - 8% under the old system.

Link? Where is the data on this?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Here's an important link that may help to clarify a few things:

https://schoolprofiles.fcps.edu/schlprfl/f?p=108:108:5882865729226::NO:0_CURRENT_SCHOOL_ID,P0_EDSL:300,0

According to these numbers, of the eleven students who have left TJ during this school year, 8 of whom are freshmen....

6 are Asian
4 are Hispanic
1 is white
ZERO are Black

No breakdown of which ones are the freshmen, but still very enlightening.

I look forward to OP coming back and disavowing all of her racist dog whistles.

Hi there! I am OP.

I started this thread based on a simple, YES/NO question:

- are there significantly more TJ drop outs under the new admission system?

NO WHERE did I mention, or even imply, suggest, infer, etc. race, in any of my posts. I’m just a parent of a TJ applicant, and a younger child who may apply in 2 years.

But YOU brought race into this, PP. You and one or two others, who are apparently OBSESSED with race. So obsessed, you can’t even answer a simple YES / NO question without making it about YOUR obsession with race. Oh - and you can’t answer without calling someone a racist.

Then - on top of that - you actually have the nerve to call ME a racist??! Seriously?? You obviously don’t know me.

Rather, it’s clear that you are the bigoted, anti-Asian racist here, OP. You and your friends - BIGOTS AND ANTI-ASIAN RACISTS.

Now that we have cleared that up, I invite you to take your race-obsession elsewhere to bicker with people (here, for instance: https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1039775.page

This thread is about establishing facts and a simple yes/no answer, which you obviously can’t provide.

Hi OP. The answer to your original question, as of now, is no.

Wishing your child the best of luck in the admissions process should you partake in it.

Thanks - I appreciate that.

Ironically, my child who applied has had some second thoughts, and will likely choose to stay with their friends at our local HS. But it will be an accomplishment my child will always have if they are offered a spot. We respect our child’s choice of HS, and just want them to thrive where they choose.

2nd child seems far more interested and driven. Again we support their choice, and will continue to do so, whatever happens.

I personally do not believe it’s a good idea to force a teen into an experience like TJ without a lot of commitment on the teen’s part.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here's an important link that may help to clarify a few things:

https://schoolprofiles.fcps.edu/schlprfl/f?p=108:108:5882865729226::NO:0_CURRENT_SCHOOL_ID,P0_EDSL:300,0

According to these numbers, of the eleven students who have left TJ during this school year, 8 of whom are freshmen....

6 are Asian
4 are Hispanic
1 is white
ZERO are Black

No breakdown of which ones are the freshmen, but still very enlightening.

I look forward to OP coming back and disavowing all of her racist dog whistles.

Hi there! I am OP.

I started this thread based on a simple, YES/NO question:

- are there significantly more TJ drop outs under the new admission system?

NO WHERE did I mention, or even imply, suggest, infer, etc. race, in any of my posts. I’m just a parent of a TJ applicant, and a younger child who may apply in 2 years.

But YOU brought race into this, PP. You and one or two others, who are apparently OBSESSED with race. So obsessed, you can’t even answer a simple YES / NO question without making it about YOUR obsession with race. Oh - and you can’t answer without calling someone a racist.

Then - on top of that - you actually have the nerve to call ME a racist??! Seriously?? You obviously don’t know me.

Rather, it’s clear that you are the bigoted, anti-Asian racist here, OP. You and your friends - BIGOTS AND ANTI-ASIAN RACISTS.

Now that we have cleared that up, I invite you to take your race-obsession elsewhere to bicker with people (here, for instance: https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1039775.page

This thread is about establishing facts and a simple yes/no answer, which you obviously can’t provide.

Hi OP. The answer to your original question, as of now, is no.

Wishing your child the best of luck in the admissions process should you partake in it.

Thanks - I appreciate that.

Ironically, my child who applied has had some second thoughts, and will likely choose to stay with their friends at our local HS. But it will be an accomplishment my child will always have if they are offered a spot. We respect our child’s choice of HS, and just want them to thrive where they choose.

2nd child seems far more interested and driven. Again we support their choice, and will continue to do so, whatever happens.

I personally do not believe it’s a good idea to force a teen into an experience like TJ without a lot of commitment on the teen’s part.

Undoubtedly correct!

[Anonymous]

Through February 2022, TJ has lost 16 kids this school year. FCPS hasn't yet provided the data to break down by grade.

Through similar periods in the 2020-21, 2019-20, 2018-19, and 2017-18 school years, TJ lost 4, 2, 13, and 7 kids.

So more kids than usual/average, but not necessarily a lot more given that the enrollment was expanded and more kids were admitted who may not have been quite as invested in attending TJ as in the past. Not sure you can chalk it up to academic challenges as much as other changes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Through February 2022, TJ has lost 16 kids this school year. FCPS hasn't yet provided the data to break down by grade.

Through similar periods in the 2020-21, 2019-20, 2018-19, and 2017-18 school years, TJ lost 4, 2, 13, and 7 kids.

So more kids than usual/average, but not necessarily a lot more given that the enrollment was expanded and more kids were admitted who may not have been quite as invested in attending TJ as in the past. Not sure you can chalk it up to academic challenges as much as other changes.

Broken down by race/ethnicity:

16 students have left

9 Asian
4 Hispanic/Latino
3 white
0 Black
0 Two or More

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:No and no.

Your post implies that more kids have dropped out and it is because of the new admissions, which might be the case. There are kids who never would have thought about TJ that had a chance to try TJ. Some more might drop out because it is a new school and a new type of program for them. Some of those kids are going to stay and find their groove at TJ. That learning process is a part of education. Guess what, there are kids who apply to all sorts of college that go and drop out, even the Ivies.

How about we stop demonizing 12 and 13 year olds and just let them be kids and figure out what school works best for them?

How about you stop projecting? Are you even a TJ parent?

I am OP. My child has applied.

Obviously I am interested in learning as much as possible about TJ. Isn’t every AAP parent interested in the topic?

Furthermore, as I already explained to you in my post, I spoke to a TJ parent and she brought it up.

I am just trying confirm or refute the truth of the matter asserted. Don’t assume my motive.

OP, i think it is a fair question and has nothing to do with demonizing 12 and 13 year olds (or more accurately 14 year olds).

But, I just wanted to point out that, no, not anywhere close to every AAP parent has any interest in TJ at all.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Through February 2022, TJ has lost 16 kids this school year. FCPS hasn't yet provided the data to break down by grade.

Through similar periods in the 2020-21, 2019-20, 2018-19, and 2017-18 school years, TJ lost 4, 2, 13, and 7 kids.

So more kids than usual/average, but not necessarily a lot more given that the enrollment was expanded and more kids were admitted who may not have been quite as invested in attending TJ as in the past. Not sure you can chalk it up to academic challenges as much as other changes.

OP again.

BIG THANKS PP! It seems we finally have a definitive factual answer:

1) more pupils have withdrawn this year than in recent prior years, however:

2) the rumor I heard (which someone repeated a few pages back) is false. No where near 50 pupils have withdrawn (if you hear that rumor, kindly dispel it).


Personally, I believe the increase is rather small, and it’s not worth speculating on the cause at this point.

To me, there are bigger issues to track here: the effect of the recent court judgment, the county’s reaction, and the future admissions process. As stated previously, I’m the parent of one TJ applicant and a future applicant.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Through February 2022, TJ has lost 16 kids this school year. FCPS hasn't yet provided the data to break down by grade.

Through similar periods in the 2020-21, 2019-20, 2018-19, and 2017-18 school years, TJ lost 4, 2, 13, and 7 kids.

So more kids than usual/average, but not necessarily a lot more given that the enrollment was expanded and more kids were admitted who may not have been quite as invested in attending TJ as in the past. Not sure you can chalk it up to academic challenges as much as other changes.

OP again.

BIG THANKS PP! It seems we finally have a definitive factual answer:

1) more pupils have withdrawn this year than in recent prior years, however:

2) the rumor I heard (which someone repeated a few pages back) is false. No where near 50 pupils have withdrawn (if you hear that rumor, kindly dispel it).


Personally, I believe the increase is rather small, and it’s not worth speculating on the cause at this point.

To me, there are bigger issues to track here: the effect of the recent court judgment, the county’s reaction, and the future admissions process. As stated previously, I’m the parent of one TJ applicant and a future applicant.

DP. Very measured take and I'm glad that this community was able to help with your questions.

Given that they will have had a full 8th grade year to draw from, it will be interesting to see what happens with the Class of 2026, presuming they are selected by a similar-if-not-identical process.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Through February 2022, TJ has lost 16 kids this school year. FCPS hasn't yet provided the data to break down by grade.

Through similar periods in the 2020-21, 2019-20, 2018-19, and 2017-18 school years, TJ lost 4, 2, 13, and 7 kids.

So more kids than usual/average, but not necessarily a lot more given that the enrollment was expanded and more kids were admitted who may not have been quite as invested in attending TJ as in the past. Not sure you can chalk it up to academic challenges as much as other changes.

OP again.

BIG THANKS PP! It seems we finally have a definitive factual answer:

1) more pupils have withdrawn this year than in recent prior years, however:

2) the rumor I heard (which someone repeated a few pages back) is false. No where near 50 pupils have withdrawn (if you hear that rumor, kindly dispel it).


Personally, I believe the increase is rather small, and it’s not worth speculating on the cause at this point.

To me, there are bigger issues to track here: the effect of the recent court judgment, the county’s reaction, and the future admissions process. As stated previously, I’m the parent of one TJ applicant and a future applicant.

DP. Very measured take and I'm glad that this community was able to help with your questions.

Given that they will have had a full 8th grade year to draw from, it will be interesting to see what happens with the Class of 2026, presuming they are selected by a similar-if-not-identical process.

Just out.

Up to February of each year, here are the drop-off numbers for 9th graders at TJ:

21-22: 10!
20-21: 1
19-20: 1
18-19: 6

This is statistically speaking, significantly different from past years.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Through February 2022, TJ has lost 16 kids this school year. FCPS hasn't yet provided the data to break down by grade.

Through similar periods in the 2020-21, 2019-20, 2018-19, and 2017-18 school years, TJ lost 4, 2, 13, and 7 kids.

So more kids than usual/average, but not necessarily a lot more given that the enrollment was expanded and more kids were admitted who may not have been quite as invested in attending TJ as in the past. Not sure you can chalk it up to academic challenges as much as other changes.

OP again.

BIG THANKS PP! It seems we finally have a definitive factual answer:

1) more pupils have withdrawn this year than in recent prior years, however:

2) the rumor I heard (which someone repeated a few pages back) is false. No where near 50 pupils have withdrawn (if you hear that rumor, kindly dispel it).


Personally, I believe the increase is rather small, and it’s not worth speculating on the cause at this point.

To me, there are bigger issues to track here: the effect of the recent court judgment, the county’s reaction, and the future admissions process. As stated previously, I’m the parent of one TJ applicant and a future applicant.

DP. Very measured take and I'm glad that this community was able to help with your questions.

Given that they will have had a full 8th grade year to draw from, it will be interesting to see what happens with the Class of 2026, presuming they are selected by a similar-if-not-identical process.

Just out.

Up to February of each year, here are the drop-off numbers for 9th graders at TJ:

21-22: 10!
20-21: 1
19-20: 1
18-19: 6

This is statistically speaking, significantly different from past years.

This freshman class also had a significantly higher “yield rate” of acceptances:

2025: 9 declines (550 accepted, 531 started)
2024: 33
2023: 35
2022: 24
2021: 54
2020: 24

Also, back in 17-19, there were a ton of drop outs during the school year and summer (48 net loss).

[Anonymous]

Typo: 541 started

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Through February 2022, TJ has lost 16 kids this school year. FCPS hasn't yet provided the data to break down by grade.

Through similar periods in the 2020-21, 2019-20, 2018-19, and 2017-18 school years, TJ lost 4, 2, 13, and 7 kids.

So more kids than usual/average, but not necessarily a lot more given that the enrollment was expanded and more kids were admitted who may not have been quite as invested in attending TJ as in the past. Not sure you can chalk it up to academic challenges as much as other changes.

OP again.

BIG THANKS PP! It seems we finally have a definitive factual answer:

1) more pupils have withdrawn this year than in recent prior years, however:

2) the rumor I heard (which someone repeated a few pages back) is false. No where near 50 pupils have withdrawn (if you hear that rumor, kindly dispel it).


Personally, I believe the increase is rather small, and it’s not worth speculating on the cause at this point.

To me, there are bigger issues to track here: the effect of the recent court judgment, the county’s reaction, and the future admissions process. As stated previously, I’m the parent of one TJ applicant and a future applicant.

DP. Very measured take and I'm glad that this community was able to help with your questions.

Given that they will have had a full 8th grade year to draw from, it will be interesting to see what happens with the Class of 2026, presuming they are selected by a similar-if-not-identical process.

Just out.

Up to February of each year, here are the drop-off numbers for 9th graders at TJ:

21-22: 10!
20-21: 1
19-20: 1
18-19: 6

This is statistically speaking, significantly different from past years.

This freshman class also had a significantly higher “yield rate” of acceptances:

2025: 9 declines (550 accepted, 531 started)
2024: 33
2023: 35
2022: 24
2021: 54
2020: 24

Also, back in 17-19, there were a ton of drop outs during the school year and summer (48 net loss).

I'm not quite sure that's right - just because the Admissions Office was very public about going to the wait pool to fill spaces up to at least the beginning of the school year.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Anyone know?

A family friend (who is the parent of a TJ graduate) told me many of the students admitted under the revised standards subsequently dropped out of TJ and returned to their base HS. She quoted a number.

Anyone know for certain?

This is how rumors start. Your family friend doesn't know what she is talking about.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Through February 2022, TJ has lost 16 kids this school year. FCPS hasn't yet provided the data to break down by grade.

Through similar periods in the 2020-21, 2019-20, 2018-19, and 2017-18 school years, TJ lost 4, 2, 13, and 7 kids.

So more kids than usual/average, but not necessarily a lot more given that the enrollment was expanded and more kids were admitted who may not have been quite as invested in attending TJ as in the past. Not sure you can chalk it up to academic challenges as much as other changes.

OP again.

BIG THANKS PP! It seems we finally have a definitive factual answer:

1) more pupils have withdrawn this year than in recent prior years, however:

2) the rumor I heard (which someone repeated a few pages back) is false. No where near 50 pupils have withdrawn (if you hear that rumor, kindly dispel it).


Personally, I believe the increase is rather small, and it’s not worth speculating on the cause at this point.

To me, there are bigger issues to track here: the effect of the recent court judgment, the county’s reaction, and the future admissions process. As stated previously, I’m the parent of one TJ applicant and a future applicant.

DP. Very measured take and I'm glad that this community was able to help with your questions.

Given that they will have had a full 8th grade year to draw from, it will be interesting to see what happens with the Class of 2026, presuming they are selected by a similar-if-not-identical process.

Just out.

Up to February of each year, here are the drop-off numbers for 9th graders at TJ:

21-22: 10!
20-21: 1
19-20: 1
18-19: 6

This is statistically speaking, significantly different from past years.

I don't think you can compare this year to previous years given the significant learning losses coming out of the pandemic - you know that pandemic learning loss is the most likely reason for kids dropping out this year, right?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Through February 2022, TJ has lost 16 kids this school year. FCPS hasn't yet provided the data to break down by grade.

Through similar periods in the 2020-21, 2019-20, 2018-19, and 2017-18 school years, TJ lost 4, 2, 13, and 7 kids.

So more kids than usual/average, but not necessarily a lot more given that the enrollment was expanded and more kids were admitted who may not have been quite as invested in attending TJ as in the past. Not sure you can chalk it up to academic challenges as much as other changes.

OP again.

BIG THANKS PP! It seems we finally have a definitive factual answer:

1) more pupils have withdrawn this year than in recent prior years, however:

2) the rumor I heard (which someone repeated a few pages back) is false. No where near 50 pupils have withdrawn (if you hear that rumor, kindly dispel it).


Personally, I believe the increase is rather small, and it’s not worth speculating on the cause at this point.

To me, there are bigger issues to track here: the effect of the recent court judgment, the county’s reaction, and the future admissions process. As stated previously, I’m the parent of one TJ applicant and a future applicant.

Repeating specifically to OP - drop outs are not because of who was admissions, but rather because of the pandemic. Are you ignoring that last year was a mess?