Yorktown VS Washington liberty non-IB

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My 8th grader says AP World history is an option next year at W&L, or so they have been told.
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Anonymous wrote:Same ranking as previous post, but including DC and MD




Sadly Wakefield doesn't even appear on the list ...
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Anonymous wrote:My 8th grader says AP World history is an option next year at W&L, or so they have been told.


But does it conflict with IB requirements
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Anonymous wrote:Here is another data point for you, which might or might not be relevant.

average %of seniors accepted into Harvard, Princeton, and MIT from 2015-2020



Right so this just confirms neither school is a feeder to these elite schools.


So you basically have TJ, a STEM magnet, followed by the main public schools attended by children of UVA, W&M, and Virginia Tech professors, followed by the three wealthiest FCPS neighborhood schools (McLean, Madison, Langley), with W-L slightly behind and Yorktown punching below its weight due to APS transfer policies that incentivize bright YHS kids to pupil place to W-L, but not vice versa.

About what you'd expect.
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Anonymous wrote:I don't know about YHS; but WHS freshmen can take AP World History. That's not an option at WL; but they, I believe, have a more coordinated intensified English-History curriculum instead.

I can't speak to the current situation, but my kid (now a senior at W-L doing the full IB program), took AP World History as a freshman, along with plenty of other kids. (I think there were at least 3 classes of 9th graders taking the class). In addition to his IB classes, my kid has taken 5 AP classes, plus a dual-enrollment math class). So while the IB program does fill up the schedule junior and senior years, with some planning it is possible to take advantage of the other advanced academic options.


AP anything is not an option in 9th grade at YHS.
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Anonymous wrote:Not sure if this has already been mentioned but something to consider - I heard certain colleges will expect you to have taken the highest level classes offered at your school. So if your child wants to do AP, but not IB, Yorktown might be the better option, if that is something that's going to be important down the line.


Is IB considered higher level than AP?


By colleges, yes.


Wrong.

https://admission.virginia.edu/node/356#:~:text=We%20do%20not%20have%20a,the%20type%20of%20curriculum%20available.
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Anonymous wrote:Same ranking as previous post, but including DC and MD




Sadly Wakefield doesn't even appear on the list ...



So what? It's not a particularly meaningful list. If you don't have a lot of students applying to the 3 specific schools (Harvard, Princeton, and MIT), you aren't going to have a very significant percentage of seniors accepted into Harvard, Princeton, and MIT.
1. There are many, many, many other top-tier and high quality, prestigious schools across the country. Many Wakefield graduates attend them.
2. Wakefield may not have as many students applying to these schools because they come from much more limited economic means and these types of schools are not as feasible to those students financially, socio-emotionally, or culturally. Many Latino students (the largest student group of Wakefield student body) for example, would be first-generation college students and therefore do not have the familiarity and knowledge and support they need to pursue such schools, or even 4 year college. As a high-achieving middle class white student, I never even considered applying to any Ivy League school or any other school whose listed tuition was clearly out of reach for me. I applied to a few less costly private schools that were likely unaffordable; but not absolutely no-hope-unaffordable.

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Anonymous wrote:Not sure if this has already been mentioned but something to consider - I heard certain colleges will expect you to have taken the highest level classes offered at your school. So if your child wants to do AP, but not IB, Yorktown might be the better option, if that is something that's going to be important down the line.


Is IB considered higher level than AP?


By colleges, yes.


Wrong.

https://admission.virginia.edu/node/356#:~:text=We%20do%20not%20have%20a,the%20type%20of%20curriculum%20available.


I don't disagree or agree with you; but that's one university.
I do think IB is gaining respect and recognition among US colleges and universities, though.
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Anonymous wrote:My 8th grader says AP World history is an option next year at W&L, or so they have been told.


But does it conflict with IB requirements


No. Here is a sample pre-IB 9th grade curriculum that was shared during their info night:

Intensified English 9
World Language - Level 3 or higher
Intensified or AP World History
Intensified Biology
Intensified Geometry or higher
PE
Elective
Anonymous
OP - It sounds like you may be happier in private. The differences are negligible between the two and, like others said, where your kid ends up for college is much more about your individual kid than some crazy list people can't figure out how to not copy a million times in replies. We had friends who always said they wanted the local school and then would visit and decide that there was something that would make their kid too uncomfortable (like sharing a locker or some other non-issue). It was clear they were really looking for any excuse not to go with the local school (and that's OK), but needed to "visit" so they could feel good about their decision. Frankly, their kid would have been fine at the local school, but they really wanted to go with private, but had some weird guilt complex about it.

Buy the house you like and don't worry about the school.
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Anonymous wrote:OP - It sounds like you may be happier in private. The differences are negligible between the two and, like others said, where your kid ends up for college is much more about your individual kid than some crazy list people can't figure out how to not copy a million times in replies. We had friends who always said they wanted the local school and then would visit and decide that there was something that would make their kid too uncomfortable (like sharing a locker or some other non-issue). It was clear they were really looking for any excuse not to go with the local school (and that's OK), but needed to "visit" so they could feel good about their decision. Frankly, their kid would have been fine at the local school, but they really wanted to go with private, but had some weird guilt complex about it.

Buy the house you like and don't worry about the school.


What? We can't afford to go private. That is really not an answer.

What do you mean "sharing a locker"? To be honest that would be awful, that's hardly a non-issue.
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Not sure if this has already been mentioned but something to consider - I heard certain colleges will expect you to have taken the highest level classes offered at your school. So if your child wants to do AP, but not IB, Yorktown might be the better option, if that is something that's going to be important down the line.


Is IB considered higher level than AP?


By colleges, yes.


Wrong.

https://admission.virginia.edu/node/356#:~:text=We%20do%20not%20have%20a,the%20type%20of%20curriculum%20available.


I don't disagree or agree with you; but that's one university.
I do think IB is gaining respect and recognition among US colleges and universities, though.


For STEM?
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What? We can't afford to go private. That is really not an answer.

What do you mean "sharing a locker"? To be honest that would be awful, that's hardly a non-issue.


Some middle schools shared lockers before the pandemic. Once COVID hit, they stopped using lockers all together. Years and years of kids did it and it was really, really a non-issue. This is what I'm talking about. If your kid has an allergy on record (like peanuts), they can get their own one. Lockers aren't shared in HS, as far as I know, but apparently HS kids don't use their lockers anyway unless it's to store after-school sports/instruments. I saw this as someone who used to get riled up over things like the idea of locker sharing, you really can relax about some of this. It won't matter. It really won't.
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Anonymous wrote:The academics are the same. The kids are different.


The kids aren’t even that different.

Yorktown is generally more rigorous. It’s racial demographics most closely match those of Arlington County overall. That said, WL is more racially diverse because it draws more students from less super-high income areas. Wakefield is probably the least diverse school in the county.

More Affluenza at Yorktown.

All schools are above average in terms of resources and curriculum. None of them are super feeders to ivies or anything like that but there are always a few acceptances, more recently from W-L.


Yorktown parents always like to tout this as if it's meaningful. Yorktown skews more white than the STUDENT population overall, which is the relevant metric.

Yorktown 65% White, 16% Hispanic, 11% low-income
W-L 44% white, 32% Hispanic, 23% low-income
Wakefield 26% white, 43% Hispanic, 19% Black, 32% low-income

Agree definitely more affluenza at Yorktown and it has a reputation of having more drug use (of course I know that goes on at all HSs)

I have no direct experience with Yorktown but went to a pretty universally high income HS myself and avoided Yorktown when we were house hunting for that reason. It contributed to a pretty toxic social culture. I like the greater SES diversity at W-L and my kids have friends across the spectrum.


Arlington doesn’t have a middle class, so it’s hardly a spectrum. It’s a tale of two cities.


Is it the same person who keeps posting this? It’s totally hilarious.


Yeah, its not like the county instituted housing study to address the missing middle.


https://www.arlingtonva.us/Government/Programs/Housing/Housing-Arlington/Tools/Missing-Middle
https://dcist.com/story/21/11/18/arlington-virginia-missing-middle-housing/
https://www.arlingtonmagazine.com/caught-in-the-middle/


What exactly is the plan here? Teachers and firefighters and nurses want to live in SFH too, so building a lot of townhouses and condos priced for middle income will lay fallow or end up as group homes.



The MIDDLE in missing middle is not Middle Class. It is mid-size dwellings between a condo and a SFH. These may also correlate with a middle price point, but could also be luxury townhomes over $1M.
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The academics are the same. The kids are different.


The kids aren’t even that different.

Yorktown is generally more rigorous. It’s racial demographics most closely match those of Arlington County overall. That said, WL is more racially diverse because it draws more students from less super-high income areas. Wakefield is probably the least diverse school in the county.

More Affluenza at Yorktown.

All schools are above average in terms of resources and curriculum. None of them are super feeders to ivies or anything like that but there are always a few acceptances, more recently from W-L.


Yorktown parents always like to tout this as if it's meaningful. Yorktown skews more white than the STUDENT population overall, which is the relevant metric.

Yorktown 65% White, 16% Hispanic, 11% low-income
W-L 44% white, 32% Hispanic, 23% low-income
Wakefield 26% white, 43% Hispanic, 19% Black, 32% low-income

Agree definitely more affluenza at Yorktown and it has a reputation of having more drug use (of course I know that goes on at all HSs)

I have no direct experience with Yorktown but went to a pretty universally high income HS myself and avoided Yorktown when we were house hunting for that reason. It contributed to a pretty toxic social culture. I like the greater SES diversity at W-L and my kids have friends across the spectrum.


Arlington doesn’t have a middle class, so it’s hardly a spectrum. It’s a tale of two cities.


Is it the same person who keeps posting this? It’s totally hilarious.


Yeah, its not like the county instituted housing study to address the missing middle.


https://www.arlingtonva.us/Government/Programs/Housing/Housing-Arlington/Tools/Missing-Middle
https://dcist.com/story/21/11/18/arlington-virginia-missing-middle-housing/
https://www.arlingtonmagazine.com/caught-in-the-middle/


What exactly is the plan here? Teachers and firefighters and nurses want to live in SFH too, so building a lot of townhouses and condos priced for middle income will lay fallow or end up as group homes.



The MIDDLE in missing middle is not Middle Class. It is mid-size dwellings between a condo and a SFH. These may also correlate with a middle price point, but could also be luxury townhomes over $1M.


I hit send too soon - from the website YOU linked.

What does "missing middle" really mean?
“Missing middle” is a commonly-used term that refers to the range of housing types that fit between single-family detached homes and mid-to-high-rise apartment buildings. Examples include duplexes, triplexes, townhomes, and more.
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