Reflections on the "TJ Papers"

Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:Wait, TJ has Math 1 this year? That’s ridiculous! My kid is a senior and I am trying to stay out of all the drama over this.


TJ always has at least one Math 1 class. There are a few more this year. It's really not a big deal in any way.


It is though, down the line. Math 1 kids can’t access the higher level physics and CS classes. Or the higher level math classes. So why are they there again?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Wait, TJ has Math 1 this year? That’s ridiculous! My kid is a senior and I am trying to stay out of all the drama over this.


TJ always has at least one Math 1 class. There are a few more this year. It's really not a big deal in any way.


It is though, down the line. Math 1 kids can’t access the higher level physics and CS classes. Or the higher level math classes. So why are they there again?


...because there are other things to do at TJ at a very high level besides math, physics, and CS? And other things for those students to potentially contribute to the overall school culture and dynamic?

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Wait, TJ has Math 1 this year? That’s ridiculous! My kid is a senior and I am trying to stay out of all the drama over this.


TJ always has at least one Math 1 class. There are a few more this year. It's really not a big deal in any way.


I don’t think they have had it in the past. It is a big deal because the advanced math classes that TJ offers will end if there are not enough students to take them. So if there a few classes of Math 1 this year, that means those kids wouldn’t be eligible for those classes and reduce the numbers who would. In a few years, the course offerings will significantly change leaving no opportunities for the kids who would like to take those classes and should be able to at TJ. The advanced and interesting classes are a huge part of TJ and things my kids (who didn’t do Kumon, Sunshine Academy or any other prep classes) really enjoyed about TJ.


There are still plenty of kids in 2025 who are extremely advanced in math and who will be more than able to continue to provide numbers for those classes in the future. It's not like there are 300 kids in Math 1 all of a sudden.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Wait, TJ has Math 1 this year? That’s ridiculous! My kid is a senior and I am trying to stay out of all the drama over this.


TJ always has at least one Math 1 class. There are a few more this year. It's really not a big deal in any way.


I don’t think they have had it in the past. It is a big deal because the advanced math classes that TJ offers will end if there are not enough students to take them. So if there a few classes of Math 1 this year, that means those kids wouldn’t be eligible for those classes and reduce the numbers who would. In a few years, the course offerings will significantly change leaving no opportunities for the kids who would like to take those classes and should be able to at TJ. The advanced and interesting classes are a huge part of TJ and things my kids (who didn’t do Kumon, Sunshine Academy or any other prep classes) really enjoyed about TJ.


They have absolutely always had TJ Math 1 in the past to account for the fact that only 92-93% of offers went to students currently in Geometry or above in 8th grade. TJ Math 1 equates to the first semester of Geometry - obviously taught at a post-honors "TJ" level.

https://tjhsst.fcps.edu/node/3332 - it is false that students entering in TJ Math 1 would not be able to finish Calculus. TJ Math 1 puts them directly on track to finish Calculus during their senior year.

In TJ's distant history, the majority of students entered in Geometry and the school was just fine.
Anonymous
Since first posting these reflections, I've noticed that others have reposted the summary on other threads and in other forums. While some disagree with the characterizations, others thus find them helpful. To that end, here is a slightly more polished version:

Some take-aways:

1. The three main advocates of changes to the TJ admissions process were Scott Brabrand (FCPS Superintendent), Karen Corbett Sanders (FCPS School Board member from the Mount Vernon District), and Scott Surovell (a member of Virginia Senate from the 36th District, which includes the Mount Vernon area).

2. Scott Brabrand was in major "white savior" mode, as if his legacy of FCPS Superintendent depended on his personally pushing through radical changes in the TJ admissions process. At various times, Brabrand's interactions with FCPS staff indicated that his goal was simply to adjust the process, by whatever means necessary, to guarantee the admission of more Black and Hispanic students to TJ, regardless of whether they were otherwise the most qualified candidates.

3. Corbett-Sanders and Surovell had no guiding principles; they come across merely as retail "pork-barrel" politicians who saw an opportunity to grab more TJ seats for students in their own part of Fairfax County and reduce the number of TJ seats awarded students living in other parts of the county.

4. Brabrand misled School Board members about the possibility that the Virginia Department of Education, which had previously required FCPS and other school districts to submit "diversity plans" by October 2020 might come down hard on FCPS if its plan did not include major changes to TJ admissions. In fact, over time, it emerged that VDOE did not necessarily expect FCPS's plan to include major changes to the TJ admissions process, and certainly not by the 2021-22 school year.

5. FCPS's process for adopting changes to the TJ admissions process was rushed, incoherent, and marked by School Board members sniping at both each other and Brabrand. At-Large member Rachna Sizemore-Heizer complained that At-Large member Karen Keys Gamarra had implied other School Board members were "racist." Sully District member Stella Pekarsky and At-Large member Abrar Omeish referred to Providence District member Karl Frisch as having "lied" to them repeatedly. Omeish referred to Brabrand as "dumb and too white." Pekarsky and Omeish openly acknowledged that the changes under consideration were "anti-asian," an observation that Omeish curiously followed up on by noting "lol," as if such discrimination would be a trivial or laughing matter. Braddock District member Megan McLaughlin told a constituent after the School Board had approved the changes that Brabrand's handling of the TJ admissions changes was the worst process she had encountered in her nine years as a School Board member. Springfield District member Laura Jane Cohen and other School Board members admitted after the fact that they had paid limited attention as to whether the newly approved quotas for admissions by middle school would be based on a student's "base school" or "attending school," even though this distinction had a major impact on the potential for 8th grade students then attending middle school AAP centers in FCPS to be admitted to TJ.

6. The two School Board members representing the districts with the most TJ students - Pekarsky and Dranesville District member Elaine Tholen - clearly had reservations about Brabrand's proposals. Despite those reservations, they congratulated themselves for effecting a "compromise" (i.e., rejecting Brabrand's initial "merit lottery" proposal in favor of a "holistic" approach that theoretically might result in a higher number of Sully and Dranesville kids continuing to get into TJ). Neither appears to have seriously grappled with whether they should have opposed any changes to the TJ admissions process as a matter of principle, or whether the procedural changes they ultimately supported might end up requiring more of FCPS's time and resources, to the detriment of the school system's ability to address lingering capacity and other challenges at FCPS schools besides TJ. Ultimately, Pekarsky and Tholen appear to have been swept along with the tide for fear of being criticized by their colleagues or other groups such as the TJ Alumni Action Group.

7. Many of the most embarrassing exchanges between School Board members were reflected in text messages produced during discovery in civil litigation brought by plaintiffs challenging the TJ admissions changes. On its fact, this suggests that some FCPS School Board members regularly text each other to avoid using their FCPS email accounts to conduct official School Board business. This also raises questions as to whether anyone in FCPS's legal department ever cautioned the School Board members that text messages are, like emails, discoverable in civil litigation and, if so, whether the School Board members simply ignored that advice.

The materials are shocking and dismaying. They reflect a lack of courage, discipline, and integrity on the part of School Board members, and few who read the materials would come away concluding that the current members are deserving of continued service in office. While Pekarsky has since issued a statement, undoubtedly crafted by FCPS's outside legal counsel, that the various texts and emails simply reflect the "hard work" of School Board members, this self-serving defense that attempts to explain away what, in legal terms, are "admissions against interest" is unpersuasive. The School Board members have embarrassed not only themselves, but also everyone in Fairfax County who believed the county stood for "good governance." If they had any dignity, they would resign now, but in any event should step aside and let others unburdened by this debacle replace them in 2023.
Anonymous
Anonymous
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In case you were wondering whether or not she was on these threads.
Anonymous
Don't follow. Obviously Asra Nomani was deeply involved in the lawsuit against the School Board and posted about that regularly on Twitter, where she has thousands of followers.

So why would another Tweet after a court win necessarily indicate whether she's posted on DCUM?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Don't follow. Obviously Asra Nomani was deeply involved in the lawsuit against the School Board and posted about that regularly on Twitter, where she has thousands of followers.

So why would another Tweet after a court win necessarily indicate whether she's posted on DCUM?


Yeah - Asra is about Asra. She’s picked up about 25K Twitter followers since she started this crusade - mission accomplished.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
If a kid was gifted, he or she would have likely been identified as such and attend an AAP program.


Not necessarily. You'd be surprised at who can fly under the radar.


Many, many, many kids of all races are in the general program and are bored to death. As a white kids I remember many classes being too easy and too slow and honestly very boring and not challenging.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Wait, TJ has Math 1 this year? That’s ridiculous! My kid is a senior and I am trying to stay out of all the drama over this.


TJ always has at least one Math 1 class. There are a few more this year. It's really not a big deal in any way.


It is though, down the line. Math 1 kids can’t access the higher level physics and CS classes. Or the higher level math classes. So why are they there again?


...because there are other things to do at TJ at a very high level besides math, physics, and CS? And other things for those students to potentially contribute to the overall school culture and dynamic?



lol
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Wait, TJ has Math 1 this year? That’s ridiculous! My kid is a senior and I am trying to stay out of all the drama over this.


TJ always has at least one Math 1 class. There are a few more this year. It's really not a big deal in any way.


It is though, down the line. Math 1 kids can’t access the higher level physics and CS classes. Or the higher level math classes. So why are they there again?


...because there are other things to do at TJ at a very high level besides math, physics, and CS? And other things for those students to potentially contribute to the overall school culture and dynamic?



lol


Why lol? It is true you need to be well founded in Mary if you want to pursue the sciences. But not all scientists need or should be super accelerated in math. Getting to calculus senior year does not disqualify you from pursuing a physics PhD if you want. Screening only for math ability in 9th grade is actually a pretty poor way to select students to an elite STEM program.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Wow lots to read but thank you for the summary. Early identification of URM students and early mentoring can help achieve equity without discrimination against another group.


Whenever someone says this, my sense is always that what they really want is for admissions to stay exactly as it is so that kids who already have the advantage of early “mentoring” (in the form of parents who are highly interested in education) will continue to be the ones who go to TJ.


And to add, they don’t really have a strong interest in helping kids who have fewer advantages than their own kids.


I think realistically, people are all for the idea of having more underprivileged SES or racial minorities at TJ, and the real concern is just the watering down of standards. (The idea is that we should be ensuring that all kids have the education they need to do well at TJ, not just giving up and saying, eh, these kids can't compete so we'll lower the bar.)

The root (or a root) of the problem seems to be that some kids get more of a head start than others, and so realistically it seems like the best solution to this is to help give kids who aren't getting a 'leg up' from their parents to get that leg up as quickly as possible from the schools - through extra early resources. That's not a solution I've heard anyone rally against, which is what I'd expect if parents with more advantages were truly trying to keep kids with fewer advantages down. But it's also not a fast solution, and thus not popular with the district.


There is no advantage, good number of Asian parents are not fluent in English like white or black parents. So they are at a disadvantage. Inconvenient truth.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Wow lots to read but thank you for the summary. Early identification of URM students and early mentoring can help achieve equity without discrimination against another group.


Whenever someone says this, my sense is always that what they really want is for admissions to stay exactly as it is so that kids who already have the advantage of early “mentoring” (in the form of parents who are highly interested in education) will continue to be the ones who go to TJ.


And to add, they don’t really have a strong interest in helping kids who have fewer advantages than their own kids.


I think realistically, people are all for the idea of having more underprivileged SES or racial minorities at TJ, and the real concern is just the watering down of standards. (The idea is that we should be ensuring that all kids have the education they need to do well at TJ, not just giving up and saying, eh, these kids can't compete so we'll lower the bar.)

The root (or a root) of the problem seems to be that some kids get more of a head start than others, and so realistically it seems like the best solution to this is to help give kids who aren't getting a 'leg up' from their parents to get that leg up as quickly as possible from the schools - through extra early resources. That's not a solution I've heard anyone rally against, which is what I'd expect if parents with more advantages were truly trying to keep kids with fewer advantages down. But it's also not a fast solution, and thus not popular with the district.


There is no advantage, good number of Asian parents are not fluent in English like white or black parents. So they are at a disadvantage. Inconvenient truth.


Ain’t that the truth but they can’t handle the truth.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Wow lots to read but thank you for the summary. Early identification of URM students and early mentoring can help achieve equity without discrimination against another group.


Whenever someone says this, my sense is always that what they really want is for admissions to stay exactly as it is so that kids who already have the advantage of early “mentoring” (in the form of parents who are highly interested in education) will continue to be the ones who go to TJ.


And to add, they don’t really have a strong interest in helping kids who have fewer advantages than their own kids.


I think realistically, people are all for the idea of having more underprivileged SES or racial minorities at TJ, and the real concern is just the watering down of standards. (The idea is that we should be ensuring that all kids have the education they need to do well at TJ, not just giving up and saying, eh, these kids can't compete so we'll lower the bar.)

The root (or a root) of the problem seems to be that some kids get more of a head start than others, and so realistically it seems like the best solution to this is to help give kids who aren't getting a 'leg up' from their parents to get that leg up as quickly as possible from the schools - through extra early resources. That's not a solution I've heard anyone rally against, which is what I'd expect if parents with more advantages were truly trying to keep kids with fewer advantages down. But it's also not a fast solution, and thus not popular with the district.


There is no advantage, good number of Asian parents are not fluent in English like white or black parents. So they are at a disadvantage. Inconvenient truth.


Ain’t that the truth but they can’t handle the truth.


When ability and effort get together great things happen. One without the other doesn't work very well. Asian families realized this a long time ago.
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