Reflections on the "TJ Papers"

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Asians have been totally shut out of a County that Asians make up 20% for many years now. No member of the school board, no member of the Board of Supervisors, no member of County judges, no House delegates from the County, no representation in the top positions of FCPS, no representation in the leadership positions at TJ, no principals at any County schools, no representation at leadership positions at County police on and on and on.

Why so quiet about these egregious complete and total lack of representation?

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Anonymous wrote:The majority of kids accepted under the old system did not test prep. It is pretty disgusting to read the documents and see how FCPS tweaked the process to give game changing bonus points so they could get the racial balancing outcome they wanted

Just brutally false. One prep company claimed nearly 30% of the class of 2024 on their own, and 100% of those belonged to ONE racial demographic.

Are you suggesting that only Indians do test prep? Seems awfully racist to me.

I'm sure you'll just ignore this, like you have the other 100 times it has been brought up. Most of the kids from that prep company are LCPS students occupying the LCPS designated TJ seats. It's obvious that such is the case, because over half of those kids also were accepted to AET or AOS. They also didn't indicate whether all of the kids were admitted first round, or whether many were admitted into LCPS seats after the originally accepted kids chose to attend AET or AOS instead.

Grossly changing FCPS admissions process in response to South Asians in LCPS all trying to leapfrog each other for the LCPS seats makes no sense, especially since even in the new system, the LCPS seats are almost entirely filled with wealthy South Asians.

Then please tell us a better way to both overcome the Curie problem and overcome the "During the summer of 2020, statistics revealed that the number of Black students admitted to TJ’s incoming class was too small to be reported." problem for the entire region.

send black kids to curie?

That’s almost laughable. Not because Black kids are any less intelligent, but everyone knows these test centers like Curie cater to only one racial group and hang up the phone, don’t email back, and/or tell you they are “full” if you try to enroll your kid in their classes.
I didn’t try to enroll my kid in TJ prep, but wanted computer programming lessons…….only ONE group out if a dozen calls gave my kid a chance.
These groups openly discriminate because they don’t want any other racial groups competing against their racial group (usually South Asian). The quote told to me “This is for OUR community. Where is yours? (meaning by race)”
I saw a website for a Center teaching Chemistry Olympiad in Chantilly that on the first page said “Asians are the smartest race!……”
WTF!?

This experience betrays the really ugly underbelly of these communities.

It’s not just that they don’t think Black kids are bright enough to succeed at TJ…

Or even that they are super concerned about “stealing seats”… although that is part of it.

It’s that they genuinely do not want their kids going to school with Black kids.

If you are a Black person that is a victim of stereotyping then huh can see how offensive this post is.

There are racists and criminals of all races but if you want to generalize based on your prejudiced sampling of data - that’s on you. No black person or a person who had faced prejudice would say what is said in the post above.

Recent TJ alum. The above is 100% true. I played sports (I’m an Indian girl, go figure) and my parents threatened not to let me play games at Lee and Mt. Vernon because they were “too dangerous”. When they relented, I had to call them right before and right after the game to ensure that I was safe - they wouldn’t go to the games themselves.

+100 - this happens all the time at TJ. A common topic of discussion during lunch in the hallways is "my parents are more racist than yours".

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Anonymous wrote:The majority of kids accepted under the old system did not test prep. It is pretty disgusting to read the documents and see how FCPS tweaked the process to give game changing bonus points so they could get the racial balancing outcome they wanted

Just brutally false. One prep company claimed nearly 30% of the class of 2024 on their own, and 100% of those belonged to ONE racial demographic.

Are you suggesting that only Indians do test prep? Seems awfully racist to me.

I'm sure you'll just ignore this, like you have the other 100 times it has been brought up. Most of the kids from that prep company are LCPS students occupying the LCPS designated TJ seats. It's obvious that such is the case, because over half of those kids also were accepted to AET or AOS. They also didn't indicate whether all of the kids were admitted first round, or whether many were admitted into LCPS seats after the originally accepted kids chose to attend AET or AOS instead.

Grossly changing FCPS admissions process in response to South Asians in LCPS all trying to leapfrog each other for the LCPS seats makes no sense, especially since even in the new system, the LCPS seats are almost entirely filled with wealthy South Asians.

Then please tell us a better way to both overcome the Curie problem and overcome the "During the summer of 2020, statistics revealed that the number of Black students admitted to TJ’s incoming class was too small to be reported." problem for the entire region.

send black kids to curie?

That’s almost laughable. Not because Black kids are any less intelligent, but everyone knows these test centers like Curie cater to only one racial group and hang up the phone, don’t email back, and/or tell you they are “full” if you try to enroll your kid in their classes.
I didn’t try to enroll my kid in TJ prep, but wanted computer programming lessons…….only ONE group out if a dozen calls gave my kid a chance.
These groups openly discriminate because they don’t want any other racial groups competing against their racial group (usually South Asian). The quote told to me “This is for OUR community. Where is yours? (meaning by race)”
I saw a website for a Center teaching Chemistry Olympiad in Chantilly that on the first page said “Asians are the smartest race!……”
WTF!?

This experience betrays the really ugly underbelly of these communities.

It’s not just that they don’t think Black kids are bright enough to succeed at TJ…

Or even that they are super concerned about “stealing seats”… although that is part of it.

It’s that they genuinely do not want their kids going to school with Black kids.

If you are a Black person that is a victim of stereotyping then huh can see how offensive this post is.

There are racists and criminals of all races but if you want to generalize based on your prejudiced sampling of data - that’s on you. No black person or a person who had faced prejudice would say what is said in the post above.

Recent TJ alum. The above is 100% true. I played sports (I’m an Indian girl, go figure) and my parents threatened not to let me play games at Lee and Mt. Vernon because they were “too dangerous”. When they relented, I had to call them right before and right after the game to ensure that I was safe - they wouldn’t go to the games themselves.

+100 - this happens all the time at TJ. A common topic of discussion during lunch in the hallways is "my parents are more racist than yours".

Agreed 100%. Kids are always discussing instances of how “good samaritans” stop by to show them how they can liberate them from their racist parents. There is a missionary zeal among some people to liberate south Asian kids from their parents.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The majority of kids accepted under the old system did not test prep. It is pretty disgusting to read the documents and see how FCPS tweaked the process to give game changing bonus points so they could get the racial balancing outcome they wanted

Just brutally false. One prep company claimed nearly 30% of the class of 2024 on their own, and 100% of those belonged to ONE racial demographic.

Are you suggesting that only Indians do test prep? Seems awfully racist to me.

I'm sure you'll just ignore this, like you have the other 100 times it has been brought up. Most of the kids from that prep company are LCPS students occupying the LCPS designated TJ seats. It's obvious that such is the case, because over half of those kids also were accepted to AET or AOS. They also didn't indicate whether all of the kids were admitted first round, or whether many were admitted into LCPS seats after the originally accepted kids chose to attend AET or AOS instead.

Grossly changing FCPS admissions process in response to South Asians in LCPS all trying to leapfrog each other for the LCPS seats makes no sense, especially since even in the new system, the LCPS seats are almost entirely filled with wealthy South Asians.

Then please tell us a better way to both overcome the Curie problem and overcome the "During the summer of 2020, statistics revealed that the number of Black students admitted to TJ’s incoming class was too small to be reported." problem for the entire region.

send black kids to curie?

That’s almost laughable. Not because Black kids are any less intelligent, but everyone knows these test centers like Curie cater to only one racial group and hang up the phone, don’t email back, and/or tell you they are “full” if you try to enroll your kid in their classes.
I didn’t try to enroll my kid in TJ prep, but wanted computer programming lessons…….only ONE group out if a dozen calls gave my kid a chance.
These groups openly discriminate because they don’t want any other racial groups competing against their racial group (usually South Asian). The quote told to me “This is for OUR community. Where is yours? (meaning by race)”
I saw a website for a Center teaching Chemistry Olympiad in Chantilly that on the first page said “Asians are the smartest race!……”
WTF!?

This experience betrays the really ugly underbelly of these communities.

It’s not just that they don’t think Black kids are bright enough to succeed at TJ…

Or even that they are super concerned about “stealing seats”… although that is part of it.

It’s that they genuinely do not want their kids going to school with Black kids.

If you are a Black person that is a victim of stereotyping then huh can see how offensive this post is.

There are racists and criminals of all races but if you want to generalize based on your prejudiced sampling of data - that’s on you. No black person or a person who had faced prejudice would say what is said in the post above.

Recent TJ alum. The above is 100% true. I played sports (I’m an Indian girl, go figure) and my parents threatened not to let me play games at Lee and Mt. Vernon because they were “too dangerous”. When they relented, I had to call them right before and right after the game to ensure that I was safe - they wouldn’t go to the games themselves.

+100 - this happens all the time at TJ. A common topic of discussion during lunch in the hallways is "my parents are more racist than yours".

Agreed 100%. Kids are always discussing instances of how “good samaritans” stop by to show them how they can liberate them from their racist parents. There is a missionary zeal among some people to liberate south Asian kids from their parents.

Nice try. Not even a little bit.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The majority of kids accepted under the old system did not test prep. It is pretty disgusting to read the documents and see how FCPS tweaked the process to give game changing bonus points so they could get the racial balancing outcome they wanted

Absolutely.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The majority of kids accepted under the old system did not test prep. It is pretty disgusting to read the documents and see how FCPS tweaked the process to give game changing bonus points so they could get the racial balancing outcome they wanted

Absolutely.

Absolutely false. It is a matter of public knowledge that nearly 30% of the class of 2024 came from ONE test prep facility. One of dozens that exist across Northern Virginia and even online and internationally.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The majority of kids accepted under the old system did not test prep. It is pretty disgusting to read the documents and see how FCPS tweaked the process to give game changing bonus points so they could get the racial balancing outcome they wanted

Absolutely.

Absolutely false. It is a matter of public knowledge that nearly 30% of the class of 2024 came from ONE test prep facility. One of dozens that exist across Northern Virginia and even online and internationally.

Preparations will get you far in life. Always over-prepare! Don't be a lazy whiner.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The majority of kids accepted under the old system did not test prep. It is pretty disgusting to read the documents and see how FCPS tweaked the process to give game changing bonus points so they could get the racial balancing outcome they wanted

Absolutely.

Absolutely false. It is a matter of public knowledge that nearly 30% of the class of 2024 came from ONE test prep facility. One of dozens that exist across Northern Virginia and even online and internationally.

Preparations will get you far in life. Always over-prepare! Don't be a lazy whiner.

That's fine, but make sure you don't let others advance a narrative that suggests that the old admissions process didn't have a major pay-to-play element.

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Anonymous wrote:The majority of kids accepted under the old system did not test prep. It is pretty disgusting to read the documents and see how FCPS tweaked the process to give game changing bonus points so they could get the racial balancing outcome they wanted

Absolutely.

Absolutely false. It is a matter of public knowledge that nearly 30% of the class of 2024 came from ONE test prep facility. One of dozens that exist across Northern Virginia and even online and internationally.

Preparations will get you far in life. Always over-prepare! Don't be a lazy whiner.

That's fine, but make sure you don't let others advance a narrative that suggests that the old admissions process didn't have a major pay-to-play element.

I think you assume too much. We would need to know how many people were going to Curie. If it is 1000 kids and 100 made it to TJ, it is more like pay for nothing.

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Anonymous wrote:The majority of kids accepted under the old system did not test prep. It is pretty disgusting to read the documents and see how FCPS tweaked the process to give game changing bonus points so they could get the racial balancing outcome they wanted

Absolutely.

Absolutely false. It is a matter of public knowledge that nearly 30% of the class of 2024 came from ONE test prep facility. One of dozens that exist across Northern Virginia and even online and internationally.

Ugh. For the 10 millionth time, Curie listed the names of 130+ kids who were ACCEPTED to TJ. They didn't necessarily get accepted in the first round rather than off of waitlists, and they didn't necessarily attend TJ. Many of those kids were LCPS kids who were also accepted to AOS and AET, and it's likely that they opted to attend those schools instead, meaning TJ would have offered more slots to LCPS kids on the waitlist.

Curie is almost entirely LCPS kids vying with other LCPS kids for the 90 or so LCPS designated TJ slots. The extensive prepping is just to help them leapfrog each other in the selection process. It's not especially relevant for FCPS kids.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The majority of kids accepted under the old system did not test prep. It is pretty disgusting to read the documents and see how FCPS tweaked the process to give game changing bonus points so they could get the racial balancing outcome they wanted

Absolutely.

Absolutely false. It is a matter of public knowledge that nearly 30% of the class of 2024 came from ONE test prep facility. One of dozens that exist across Northern Virginia and even online and internationally.

Ugh. For the 10 millionth time, Curie listed the names of 130+ kids who were ACCEPTED to TJ. They didn't necessarily get accepted in the first round rather than off of waitlists, and they didn't necessarily attend TJ. Many of those kids were LCPS kids who were also accepted to AOS and AET, and it's likely that they opted to attend those schools instead, meaning TJ would have offered more slots to LCPS kids on the waitlist.

Curie is almost entirely LCPS kids vying with other LCPS kids for the 90 or so LCPS designated TJ slots. The extensive prepping is just to help them leapfrog each other in the selection process. It's not especially relevant for FCPS kids.

If you have a point, would you mind getting around to it if you've posted for the 10 millionth time? Do we not care about what goes on in Loudoun? Do we not care that Loudoun has a cap but not an allotment? Meaning that if they get to their cap, that potentially takes seats away from otherwise deserving FCPS kids? For many years Loudoun didn't come close to approaching their cap.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The majority of kids accepted under the old system did not test prep. It is pretty disgusting to read the documents and see how FCPS tweaked the process to give game changing bonus points so they could get the racial balancing outcome they wanted

Absolutely.

Absolutely false. It is a matter of public knowledge that nearly 30% of the class of 2024 came from ONE test prep facility. One of dozens that exist across Northern Virginia and even online and internationally.

Ugh. For the 10 millionth time, Curie listed the names of 130+ kids who were ACCEPTED to TJ. They didn't necessarily get accepted in the first round rather than off of waitlists, and they didn't necessarily attend TJ. Many of those kids were LCPS kids who were also accepted to AOS and AET, and it's likely that they opted to attend those schools instead, meaning TJ would have offered more slots to LCPS kids on the waitlist.

Curie is almost entirely LCPS kids vying with other LCPS kids for the 90 or so LCPS designated TJ slots. The extensive prepping is just to help them leapfrog each other in the selection process. It's not especially relevant for FCPS kids.

If you have a point, would you mind getting around to it if you've posted for the 10 millionth time? Do we not care about what goes on in Loudoun? Do we not care that Loudoun has a cap but not an allotment? Meaning that if they get to their cap, that potentially takes seats away from otherwise deserving FCPS kids? For many years Loudoun didn't come close to approaching their cap.

None of the TJ admissions changes will address Curie in any way. Even in 2025, Curie nabbed almost all 90 of the LCPS slots. Reaching the cap has little to do with Curie and much more to do with the rapidly growing affluent South Asian community in Loudoun. If Curie ceased to exist, LCPS would still send 80-90 South Asian kids. There honestly aren't many non-Asian, non-affluent Loudoun County kids who are even interested in commuting all the way into Annandale for TJ.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The majority of kids accepted under the old system did not test prep. It is pretty disgusting to read the documents and see how FCPS tweaked the process to give game changing bonus points so they could get the racial balancing outcome they wanted

Absolutely.

Absolutely false. It is a matter of public knowledge that nearly 30% of the class of 2024 came from ONE test prep facility. One of dozens that exist across Northern Virginia and even online and internationally.

Ugh. For the 10 millionth time, Curie listed the names of 130+ kids who were ACCEPTED to TJ. They didn't necessarily get accepted in the first round rather than off of waitlists, and they didn't necessarily attend TJ. Many of those kids were LCPS kids who were also accepted to AOS and AET, and it's likely that they opted to attend those schools instead, meaning TJ would have offered more slots to LCPS kids on the waitlist.

Curie is almost entirely LCPS kids vying with other LCPS kids for the 90 or so LCPS designated TJ slots. The extensive prepping is just to help them leapfrog each other in the selection process. It's not especially relevant for FCPS kids.

If you have a point, would you mind getting around to it if you've posted for the 10 millionth time? Do we not care about what goes on in Loudoun? Do we not care that Loudoun has a cap but not an allotment? Meaning that if they get to their cap, that potentially takes seats away from otherwise deserving FCPS kids? For many years Loudoun didn't come close to approaching their cap.

None of the TJ admissions changes will address Curie in any way. Even in 2025, Curie nabbed almost all 90 of the LCPS slots. Reaching the cap has little to do with Curie and much more to do with the rapidly growing affluent South Asian community in Loudoun. If Curie ceased to exist, LCPS would still send 80-90 South Asian kids. There honestly aren't many non-Asian, non-affluent Loudoun County kids who are even interested in commuting all the way into Annandale for TJ.

Without Curie, Loudoun might not have enough students selected by the process to meet their cap.

Remember, if FCPS kids beat all the Loudoun kids for the unallocated seats, Loudoun could very easily end up with less than 90. And many of their middle schools don’t have enough kids to meet their allocations.

[Anonymous]

TJHSST should be dismantled and TJHS returned to the community. The narcissists from the TJAAG - peddling their BS that soft quotas at one school somehow demonstrates equity in action - are the biggest con artists ever seen in the county.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:TJHSST should be dismantled and TJHS returned to the community. The narcissists from the TJAAG - peddling their BS that soft quotas at one school somehow demonstrates equity in action - are the biggest con artists ever seen in the county.

Asians have been totally shut out of a County that Asians make up 20% for many years now. No member of the school board, no member of the Board of Supervisors, no member of County judges, no House delegates from the County, no representation in the top positions of FCPS, no representation in the leadership positions at TJ, no principals at any County schools, no representation at leadership positions at County police on and on and on. Why so quiet about these egregious complete and total lack of representation?