Superbowl halftime - scantily dressed women and very covered up men

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Anonymous wrote:What disappoints me about a current strain of feminism is this conflation between empowerment and marketing tools. Sex is a common and powerful marketing tool, initially exploited by men (bikini women draped over cars) and now also exploited by women. JLo is a total boss. She used sex to promote her show. Very successfully. That's not empowerment, that's capitalism.

What would have been empowerment, IMO, is to NOT use sex to promote the show. JLo says f&ck all you men. I'm not using my body in this way for your attention. I'm amazing without my crotch too.

But then it wouldn't have caused all this discussion and it wouldn't have given her the most media attention possible, which is what any performer wants.

So, it was a good show but very much the same old, same old. Not empowering. Just the same old "women are good for one thing" message.

What she was actually doing is saying... hey conservative women who have been controlled by men your whole life and told how you can dress and what you can do with your body... I can do whatever I want with my body and no man is stopping me.

Hey conservative men, I can actually do whatever I want with my body... think what you want but it's not for you, can't have it, can't control it, can't stop it.

Stop trying to tell women what to do with their bodies and stop blaming them for what others think while they do things with their body. You chose to think the things you think. The majority of the population did not think those things ... it's all on you, it's in your head, you created those thoughts and most people disagree with you.

Except most people think it was wrong to do -- IN THAT SETTING -- IN FRONT OF CHILDREN. I have no respect for any woman who rubs her crotch in front of my young children.

Please post your height, weight and current hairstyle

Different poster. Are you a teenage boy?

No. Are you a Karen?

I am the person who posted in the all caps. I am 5'6" and 130. I am 55 years old and have a 12 year old daughter. I would say I am pretty hot for my age...work out every day and take care of myself.

So, no, I am not a "Karen."

Now as for J.Lo, sorry, but she looks plastic to me. The extensive work she has had done on her face has makes her look almost alien like. I hope she stops, but I worry she might go overboard as she ages. Mind you, I have had some minor non-invasive cosmetic work done and have an unlimited budget if I wanted to have more. But I'm not in show business, so the pressure is off, and I can age gracefully.

I will do the conversion for everyone. 5'6" 130 on the internet equals 5'2" 160 in real life. I need to see the haircut to be completely sure but I'm sorry to tell you, you are Karen. Your attitude is a perfect match

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I thought we were against private jets because, you know, the environment...

Shouldn't JLo have taken a boat or something?

Doesn't she already live in Miami?

we don't know if the pic was actually taken on that day.

My gawd you guys ruin everything.
Every. Single. Thing.

Why is she manspreading?

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Anonymous wrote:What disappoints me about a current strain of feminism is this conflation between empowerment and marketing tools. Sex is a common and powerful marketing tool, initially exploited by men (bikini women draped over cars) and now also exploited by women. JLo is a total boss. She used sex to promote her show. Very successfully. That's not empowerment, that's capitalism.

What would have been empowerment, IMO, is to NOT use sex to promote the show. JLo says f&ck all you men. I'm not using my body in this way for your attention. I'm amazing without my crotch too.

But then it wouldn't have caused all this discussion and it wouldn't have given her the most media attention possible, which is what any performer wants.

So, it was a good show but very much the same old, same old. Not empowering. Just the same old "women are good for one thing" message.

What she was actually doing is saying... hey conservative women who have been controlled by men your whole life and told how you can dress and what you can do with your body... I can do whatever I want with my body and no man is stopping me.

Hey conservative men, I can actually do whatever I want with my body... think what you want but it's not for you, can't have it, can't control it, can't stop it.

Stop trying to tell women what to do with their bodies and stop blaming them for what others think while they do things with their body. You chose to think the things you think. The majority of the population did not think those things ... it's all on you, it's in your head, you created those thoughts and most people disagree with you.

Except most people think it was wrong to do -- IN THAT SETTING -- IN FRONT OF CHILDREN. I have no respect for any woman who rubs her crotch in front of my young children.

Please post your height, weight and current hairstyle

Different poster. Are you a teenage boy?

No. Are you a Karen?

I am the person who posted in the all caps. I am 5'6" and 130. I am 55 years old and have a 12 year old daughter. I would say I am pretty hot for my age...work out every day and take care of myself.

So, no, I am not a "Karen."

Now as for J.Lo, sorry, but she looks plastic to me. The extensive work she has had done on her face has makes her look almost alien like. I hope she stops, but I worry she might go overboard as she ages. Mind you, I have had some minor non-invasive cosmetic work done and have an unlimited budget if I wanted to have more. But I'm not in show business, so the pressure is off, and I can age gracefully.

I will do the conversion for everyone. 5'6" 130 on the internet equals 5'2" 160 in real life. I need to see the haircut to be completely sure but I'm sorry to tell you, you are Karen. Your attitude is a perfect match

So much for honesty. Hairstyle is shoulder length bob, no bangs, dark brown (colored of course). Texture silky due to the keratin treatments. I’m regularly told I look ten years younger. Happy in my own skin.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I thought we were against private jets because, you know, the environment...

Shouldn't JLo have taken a boat or something?

Doesn't she already live in Miami?

we don't know if the pic was actually taken on that day.

My gawd you guys ruin everything.
Every. Single. Thing.

Why is she manspreading?

Of all the things to nitpick in this thread this has got to be them stupidest. Please get a life.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I thought we were against private jets because, you know, the environment...

Shouldn't JLo have taken a boat or something?

Doesn't she already live in Miami?

we don't know if the pic was actually taken on that day.

J.Lo lives in miami. Her kids go to school there. She might have another property elsewhere but definitely lives in Miami. I highly doubt this picture is from that night.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What disappoints me about a current strain of feminism is this conflation between empowerment and marketing tools. Sex is a common and powerful marketing tool, initially exploited by men (bikini women draped over cars) and now also exploited by women. JLo is a total boss. She used sex to promote her show. Very successfully. That's not empowerment, that's capitalism.

What would have been empowerment, IMO, is to NOT use sex to promote the show. JLo says f&ck all you men. I'm not using my body in this way for your attention. I'm amazing without my crotch too.

But then it wouldn't have caused all this discussion and it wouldn't have given her the most media attention possible, which is what any performer wants.

So, it was a good show but very much the same old, same old. Not empowering. Just the same old "women are good for one thing" message.

What she was actually doing is saying... hey conservative women who have been controlled by men your whole life and told how you can dress and what you can do with your body... I can do whatever I want with my body and no man is stopping me.

Hey conservative men, I can actually do whatever I want with my body... think what you want but it's not for you, can't have it, can't control it, can't stop it.

Stop trying to tell women what to do with their bodies and stop blaming them for what others think while they do things with their body. You chose to think the things you think. The majority of the population did not think those things ... it's all on you, it's in your head, you created those thoughts and most people disagree with you.

Except most people think it was wrong to do -- IN THAT SETTING -- IN FRONT OF CHILDREN. I have no respect for any woman who rubs her crotch in front of my young children.

Please post your height, weight and current hairstyle

Different poster. Are you a teenage boy?

No. Are you a Karen?

I am the person who posted in the all caps. I am 5'6" and 130. I am 55 years old and have a 12 year old daughter. I would say I am pretty hot for my age...work out every day and take care of myself.

So, no, I am not a "Karen."

Now as for J.Lo, sorry, but she looks plastic to me. The extensive work she has had done on her face has makes her look almost alien like. I hope she stops, but I worry she might go overboard as she ages. Mind you, I have had some minor non-invasive cosmetic work done and have an unlimited budget if I wanted to have more. But I'm not in show business, so the pressure is off, and I can age gracefully.

I will do the conversion for everyone. 5'6" 130 on the internet equals 5'2" 160 in real life. I need to see the haircut to be completely sure but I'm sorry to tell you, you are Karen. Your attitude is a perfect match

This pp is nasty. First of all, why do you place such a heavy emphasis on the appearance of someone you are debating? Then when the anonymous poster comes forward with the answers to your questions you claim she’s lying.

Sorry but not every lady that thinks the halftime show performance was trashy is overweight and old. Sorry it doesn’t fit your “ok Karen” narrative.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What disappoints me about a current strain of feminism is this conflation between empowerment and marketing tools. Sex is a common and powerful marketing tool, initially exploited by men (bikini women draped over cars) and now also exploited by women. JLo is a total boss. She used sex to promote her show. Very successfully. That's not empowerment, that's capitalism.

What would have been empowerment, IMO, is to NOT use sex to promote the show. JLo says f&ck all you men. I'm not using my body in this way for your attention. I'm amazing without my crotch too.

But then it wouldn't have caused all this discussion and it wouldn't have given her the most media attention possible, which is what any performer wants.

So, it was a good show but very much the same old, same old. Not empowering. Just the same old "women are good for one thing" message.

What she was actually doing is saying... hey conservative women who have been controlled by men your whole life and told how you can dress and what you can do with your body... I can do whatever I want with my body and no man is stopping me.

Hey conservative men, I can actually do whatever I want with my body... think what you want but it's not for you, can't have it, can't control it, can't stop it.

Stop trying to tell women what to do with their bodies and stop blaming them for what others think while they do things with their body. You chose to think the things you think. The majority of the population did not think those things ... it's all on you, it's in your head, you created those thoughts and most people disagree with you.

Men, conservative or otherwise, have never stopped women from trashy dressing or crotch rubbing. That's exactly where they want women. I don't know how you can find that empowering.

I also don't understand why the message of body freedom applies only to nakedness. I mean if a woman is choosing to do things with her body other than exposing it and simulating sexual acts, do you automatically think she's repressed? Or can you recognize it as another choice?

Sorry to disappoint you but the majority of the population does think it's trashy to move like this and dress like this. Men are happy to watch other people's daughters doing that but they don't want it for their own. Women too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What disappoints me about a current strain of feminism is this conflation between empowerment and marketing tools. Sex is a common and powerful marketing tool, initially exploited by men (bikini women draped over cars) and now also exploited by women. JLo is a total boss. She used sex to promote her show. Very successfully. That's not empowerment, that's capitalism.

What would have been empowerment, IMO, is to NOT use sex to promote the show. JLo says f&ck all you men. I'm not using my body in this way for your attention. I'm amazing without my crotch too.

But then it wouldn't have caused all this discussion and it wouldn't have given her the most media attention possible, which is what any performer wants.

So, it was a good show but very much the same old, same old. Not empowering. Just the same old "women are good for one thing" message.

What she was actually doing is saying... hey conservative women who have been controlled by men your whole life and told how you can dress and what you can do with your body... I can do whatever I want with my body and no man is stopping me.

Hey conservative men, I can actually do whatever I want with my body... think what you want but it's not for you, can't have it, can't control it, can't stop it.

Stop trying to tell women what to do with their bodies and stop blaming them for what others think while they do things with their body. You chose to think the things you think. The majority of the population did not think those things ... it's all on you, it's in your head, you created those thoughts and most people disagree with you.

Except most people think it was wrong to do -- IN THAT SETTING -- IN FRONT OF CHILDREN. I have no respect for any woman who rubs her crotch in front of my young children.

Please post your height, weight and current hairstyle

Different poster. Are you a teenage boy?

No. Are you a Karen?

I am the person who posted in the all caps. I am 5'6" and 130. I am 55 years old and have a 12 year old daughter. I would say I am pretty hot for my age...work out every day and take care of myself.

So, no, I am not a "Karen."

Now as for J.Lo, sorry, but she looks plastic to me. The extensive work she has had done on her face has makes her look almost alien like. I hope she stops, but I worry she might go overboard as she ages. Mind you, I have had some minor non-invasive cosmetic work done and have an unlimited budget if I wanted to have more. But I'm not in show business, so the pressure is off, and I can age gracefully.

I will do the conversion for everyone. 5'6" 130 on the internet equals 5'2" 160 in real life. I need to see the haircut to be completely sure but I'm sorry to tell you, you are Karen. Your attitude is a perfect match

This pp is nasty. First of all, why do you place such a heavy emphasis on the appearance of someone you are debating? Then when the anonymous poster comes forward with the answers to your questions you claim she’s lying.

Sorry but not every lady that thinks the halftime show performance was trashy is overweight and old. Sorry it doesn’t fit your “ok Karen” narrative.

Yes they are. Every single woman that hated that show is frumpy. Average to below average women absolutely hate hot women. It's a fact. Quit trying to argue

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What disappoints me about a current strain of feminism is this conflation between empowerment and marketing tools. Sex is a common and powerful marketing tool, initially exploited by men (bikini women draped over cars) and now also exploited by women. JLo is a total boss. She used sex to promote her show. Very successfully. That's not empowerment, that's capitalism.

What would have been empowerment, IMO, is to NOT use sex to promote the show. JLo says f&ck all you men. I'm not using my body in this way for your attention. I'm amazing without my crotch too.

But then it wouldn't have caused all this discussion and it wouldn't have given her the most media attention possible, which is what any performer wants.

So, it was a good show but very much the same old, same old. Not empowering. Just the same old "women are good for one thing" message.

What she was actually doing is saying... hey conservative women who have been controlled by men your whole life and told how you can dress and what you can do with your body... I can do whatever I want with my body and no man is stopping me.

Hey conservative men, I can actually do whatever I want with my body... think what you want but it's not for you, can't have it, can't control it, can't stop it.

Stop trying to tell women what to do with their bodies and stop blaming them for what others think while they do things with their body. You chose to think the things you think. The majority of the population did not think those things ... it's all on you, it's in your head, you created those thoughts and most people disagree with you.

Men, conservative or otherwise, have never stopped women from trashy dressing or crotch rubbing. That's exactly where they want women. I don't know how you can find that empowering.

I also don't understand why the message of body freedom applies only to nakedness. I mean if a woman is choosing to do things with her body other than exposing it and simulating sexual acts, do you automatically think she's repressed? Or can you recognize it as another choice?

Sorry to disappoint you but the majority of the population does think it's trashy to move like this and dress like this. Men are happy to watch other people's daughters doing that but they don't want it for their own. Women too.

You are 100% wrong. The majority of viewers loved the performance. The only people complaining are unattractive women

[Anonymous]

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Why is she manspreading?

She's warming up for her crotch close up.

[Anonymous]

I actually loved the performance and don't think everyone who didn't like it is unattractive. I do think they tend to feel threatened and/or have conservative values. So, Democrats and Republicans are included, but my guess is more Republicans.

I have seen mostly positive reactions among my own social circle via social media. The only two who were critical were two 50-something white women (my circle is probably 50/50 white/minority). So there is certainly a demographic that goes with being critical, but these women aren't unattractive.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What disappoints me about a current strain of feminism is this conflation between empowerment and marketing tools. Sex is a common and powerful marketing tool, initially exploited by men (bikini women draped over cars) and now also exploited by women. JLo is a total boss. She used sex to promote her show. Very successfully. That's not empowerment, that's capitalism.

What would have been empowerment, IMO, is to NOT use sex to promote the show. JLo says f&ck all you men. I'm not using my body in this way for your attention. I'm amazing without my crotch too.

But then it wouldn't have caused all this discussion and it wouldn't have given her the most media attention possible, which is what any performer wants.

So, it was a good show but very much the same old, same old. Not empowering. Just the same old "women are good for one thing" message.

What she was actually doing is saying... hey conservative women who have been controlled by men your whole life and told how you can dress and what you can do with your body... I can do whatever I want with my body and no man is stopping me.

Hey conservative men, I can actually do whatever I want with my body... think what you want but it's not for you, can't have it, can't control it, can't stop it.

Stop trying to tell women what to do with their bodies and stop blaming them for what others think while they do things with their body. You chose to think the things you think. The majority of the population did not think those things ... it's all on you, it's in your head, you created those thoughts and most people disagree with you.

Except most people think it was wrong to do -- IN THAT SETTING -- IN FRONT OF CHILDREN. I have no respect for any woman who rubs her crotch in front of my young children.

Please post your height, weight and current hairstyle

Different poster. Are you a teenage boy?

No. Are you a Karen?

The Karen cop out is getting old.

Only to people who relate to Karen and get upset by the use. Maybe you would prefer Susan? Or Becky?

[Anonymous]

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What disappoints me about a current strain of feminism is this conflation between empowerment and marketing tools. Sex is a common and powerful marketing tool, initially exploited by men (bikini women draped over cars) and now also exploited by women. JLo is a total boss. She used sex to promote her show. Very successfully. That's not empowerment, that's capitalism.

What would have been empowerment, IMO, is to NOT use sex to promote the show. JLo says f&ck all you men. I'm not using my body in this way for your attention. I'm amazing without my crotch too.

But then it wouldn't have caused all this discussion and it wouldn't have given her the most media attention possible, which is what any performer wants.

So, it was a good show but very much the same old, same old. Not empowering. Just the same old "women are good for one thing" message.

What she was actually doing is saying... hey conservative women who have been controlled by men your whole life and told how you can dress and what you can do with your body... I can do whatever I want with my body and no man is stopping me.

Hey conservative men, I can actually do whatever I want with my body... think what you want but it's not for you, can't have it, can't control it, can't stop it.

Stop trying to tell women what to do with their bodies and stop blaming them for what others think while they do things with their body. You chose to think the things you think. The majority of the population did not think those things ... it's all on you, it's in your head, you created those thoughts and most people disagree with you.

Except most people think it was wrong to do -- IN THAT SETTING -- IN FRONT OF CHILDREN. I have no respect for any woman who rubs her crotch in front of my young children.

Please post your height, weight and current hairstyle

Different poster. Are you a teenage boy?

No. Are you a Karen?

I am the person who posted in the all caps. I am 5'6" and 130. I am 55 years old and have a 12 year old daughter. I would say I am pretty hot for my age...work out every day and take care of myself.

So, no, I am not a "Karen."

Now as for J.Lo, sorry, but she looks plastic to me. The extensive work she has had done on her face has makes her look almost alien like. I hope she stops, but I worry she might go overboard as she ages. Mind you, I have had some minor non-invasive cosmetic work done and have an unlimited budget if I wanted to have more. But I'm not in show business, so the pressure is off, and I can age gracefully.

Karen isn’t a body type. It’s a personality. It’s your personality. You are a Karen.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I actually loved the performance and don't think everyone who didn't like it is unattractive. I do think they tend to feel threatened and/or have conservative values. So, Democrats and Republicans are included, but my guess is more Republicans.

I have seen mostly positive reactions among my own social circle via social media. The only two who were critical were two 50-something white women (my circle is probably 50/50 white/minority). So there is certainly a demographic that goes with being critical, but these women aren't unattractive.

Not conservative and I didn't like it because it was tryhard.