Why is Blake Lively so overrated?

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Anonymous wrote:The narrative Blake seems desperate to change is that she’s talentless, tone deaf, and cruel and treats plebs poorly. And as we saw with Mrs Legend it’s difficult to hawk things like shampoo and pots and pans to proles when they all can’t stand you.

It seems all these aging washed up actresses and models want to create aspirational lifestyle brands like Selena Gomez and Jessica Alba to grift Wall Street billions. To do that you need to be very charismatic and likable, which is a struggle for some…

Just say you hate women. Are you a man who knows these women would never give you the time of day? Or are you just a woman insanely jealous of better looking richer women?

Blake, is that you?! Put the Aviation gin down and go play with your kids.

You are obviously one of Ms. Nathan's paid trolls.

"Ms. Nathan soon floated proposals to hire contractors to dominate social media through “full social account take downs,” by starting “threads of theories” and generally working to “change narrative.”

“All of this will be most importantly untraceable,” she wrote.

That PP is so obvious about it. Claims to know nothing about any of this then rattles off the smear campaign talking points.

You’re gaslighting. Look, most of the public, including me, has no freaking clue who that producer actor man is. Most of the public never saw this movie they were in together. And yet, most of the public simply dislikes Blake Lively. People can think for themselves. People trust their gut and instincts. She simply doesn’t seem like a nice person, she can’t act to save her life, and she’s been shoved in our faces for 20 years as this supposed it girl. It all feels extremely fake, like she benefitted from a lot of insider help. And this new scorched earth victim campaign pivot as she approaches 40 years old isn’t going to change anyone’s mind about her. Hollywood is a sleazy place and the public simply doesn’t care. In case you weren’t aware, normal Americans can’t afford groceries right now and their student loans have to be repaid. Nobody gives a damn about some filthy rich arrogant actress. And it obviously doesn’t help that she and her husband are also obnoxious common opportunists.

I think both of these things are true. It is clear a lot of people have problems with Blake just because of all the over exposure and things lately. But the smear campaign took advantage of this. I feel like they lit a match and people just piled on. But I think without them, it wouldn’t have been as bad. They’re definitely would’ve been backlash, I mean there was backlash against her even being cast in this role from the start. But it wouldn’t have been this bad.

DP. I honestly only care about the smear campaign because it turns out Baldoni was harassing Lively in set and creating a hostile work environment. If they'd merely had a mutually bad work relationship and Baldoni had pulled the same PR tricks, I wouldn't care because I do think the capitalized on true things about Lively -- she can be super entitled, she's not a particularly talented actress, her fame was largely the product of being one of "Harvey's girls."

But once I heard about the harassment allegations, my attitude changed. If Baldoni was behaving that way on set, and the smear campaign was designed to discredit Lively so no one would believe her, that's disgusting.

The PR stuff only matters because if the harassment. Without the harassment, the PR stuff is just part of the usual PR game in Hollywood.

For me it's also the way they talked about her. They hate her so bringing her down was really for their own enjoyment. Not to save Justin.

Plus they debated about which negative stores to plant. They didn't want anyone to find out about the fat shaming or sexual inappropriateness that happened on set. So they posted a bunch of crap about her being hard to work with. Meanwhile JB wanted to be the hero so asked them to only post things about him being a DV crusader. What a loser.

That's an extremely normal PR move (deciding to plant stories strategically in ways that will best position your client).

In terms of the PR folks, their error was in taking on a client who had done something as bad as what Baldoni had done on set. Though it's possible they didn't believe it or chose to believe the truth was more muddy. That's common in PR.

Most likely they were approached like this by Baldoni's team: "A famous actress and her Uber-famous husband are trying to smear Baldoni in the press and allege a bunch of harassment charges that they can't prove and didn't happen (or if they did happen are more understandable in context) and we need to fight back in the press by undermining the moral authority of the actress." If that's your brief, then what about what they did is wrong, exactly? Lively really did do that interview where she mean girl-ed the interviewer with Parker Posey. She really did benefit from having her career built by Harvey Weintstein and then stayed mum when all the allegations about him came out.

It's not like they planted fake stories. They reminded people of the least appealing things about Lively (relentlessly and using planted posters on sites like Reddit and maybe even DCUM).

People trying to make this about the PR people are missing the forrest for the trees. That's just how PR works and those people were just doing their jobs for a client who paid them money.

And it's only awful if Baldoni harassed Lively. If he didn't, this is just what people in Hollywood do for leverage and power, and Lively/Reynolds do the exact same stuff. This is just how the PR machine works. I'd love to see the texts and emails from Lively's PR team over the years. If you think this Baldoni stuff is bad, I guarantee you'd be horrified by that too.

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Anonymous wrote:I guess the irony is that someone who very clearly slept her way to the top is now outraged that someone is exploiting sex in their career.

Very clearly? Where are the receipts? Just because she stood NEXT TO Harvey Weinstein doesn't mean she slept with him.

Are you seriously trying to argue that someone who only ever starred on a sitcom 20 years ago and hasn’t won a single award or been in a notable role since is still considered A-list due to her undeniable talent and charisma?

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Anonymous wrote:https://variety.com/2024/film/news/blake-lively-justin-baldoni-crisis-pr-harassment-1236258539/ some qoutes for those who don't want to read it all. In short, PR companies are mad at Blake for exposing them.

The source added that “fix-it shops usually employ some cyber warriors who come in to manage chatter, but it’s an unwritten code that you will not hire companies or social media agitators to go out and script a new narrative

“There are two smear campaigns going on here,” said one top studio executive. “One against Lively, and one against the PR people. It doesn’t mean that Jen Abel and Melissa Nathan didn’t do anything wrong, but who sold them out? There’s a code you don’t breach.” Another industry figure frequently involved in high profile conflicts said, “That’s crisis PR talk, right? Everybody talks like that. Everybody loves to talk a big game.”

I am 8:22 (talking about how the PR stuff only bothers me because of the underlying harassment on set).

I actually think one issue with Lively's team coming out hard regarding the PR campaign is that is is *highly* likely, if not guaranteed, that Lively and Reynolds have hired PR teams that have used similar tactics. In fact it's possible their PR team engaged in the exact same strategy against Baldoni when the film was coming out and all the rumors about a rift between them was swirling.

The *effect* of the same campaign against Baldoni will be different because (1) he's not as famous so you will never get the same traction on social media as you will with a smear campaign against someone as high profile as Lively, and (2) we live in a deeply misogynist society, so getting people to hate on an attractive actress is MUCH easier than getting them to hate on an attractive actor/director.

But the tactics are the same. Which is why I find the people acting horrified by what Baldoni's PR team did here are being either disingenuous or very naive. Especially people in the industry acting shocked. What Baldoni is alleged to have done on set is awful (and illegal, and actionable). What his PR team is alleged to have done is honestly pretty run of the mill PR. Yes it is distasteful but if you've ever worked in media or politics, none of it should shock you. This is literally how PR works -- you use manipulative tactics to sway the narrative in favor of your client and, if necessary, against anyone who is making your client look bad. That's literally the whole job.

Look, if you're that worried about your private texts getting out because you know you engage in sleazy and shady behavior, you know you're up to no good and you know it. Most companies warn employees that their private work communications aren't really private.

I don't work in PR and don't worry about my private work communications.

I'm just saying that if you subpoenaed the PR team for literally any very high profile person (including Ryan Reynolds and Blake Lively) you would likely discover messages almost identical to what you are seeing from Baldoni's team. Especially in a "crisis management" situation (where a PR client is at risk of total reputational ruin), the tactics here are pretty standard. The fact that they are detailed in these emails and texts is actually evidence of how standard they -- this is not the sort of thing you'd be careful about discussing in written communication because this is just run-of-the-mill social media narrative sculpting.

Now, if a PR team engaged in a truly shady or misleading story plant, you won't find that in anyone's messages like this. The fake relationships, the fictional childhoods, paying a non-profit to give your client an award they didn't earn for purely PR reasons, and so on. That stuff goes on too but it's more rare and people know to cover their tracks.

This stuff Baldoni's team did is just regular PR and actually no one would be shocked or bothered by it if it were not for the allegations that Baldoni harassed Lively on set. If the story was that he was a difficult director who just butted heads with his leading lady, and they were both kind of awful but no one harassed anyone, no one would blink at the tactics his PR team used.

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Anonymous wrote:I guess the irony is that someone who very clearly slept her way to the top is now outraged that someone is exploiting sex in their career.

Very clearly? Where are the receipts? Just because she stood NEXT TO Harvey Weinstein doesn't mean she slept with him.

Are you seriously trying to argue that someone who only ever starred on a sitcom 20 years ago and hasn’t won a single award or been in a notable role since is still considered A-list due to her undeniable talent and charisma?

+1. She was literally the worst, most boring actor/actress on Gossip Girl. Her career ain’t built off talent, that’s for darn sure!

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Anonymous wrote:I guess the irony is that someone who very clearly slept her way to the top is now outraged that someone is exploiting sex in their career.

None of her exaggerated complaints generate more than an eye roll.

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Anonymous wrote:As I said earlier, it's okay to dislike Blake Lively and still be aghast at how Baldoni treated her and the other women on set.

This exaggerated crap registers at about a 1 maybe 2 out of 10 on the Hollywood degeneracy scale. There’s no there there. And what precisely do you all mean by “he should have settled”? Was or is this some sort of financial shake down? Is she trying to muscle a cut of the $300+ million box office? If he’s such a predator why wouldn’t she want this all on the floor?

It’s ultimately about Reynolds wanting the rights to the books and Justin refusing to sell them. That’s what this is about and always has been.

Ahh there it is - so the film was far more successful than they could ever imagine and now they deploy a scheme to muscle control from the brainchild. Not surprising. These two money grabbers are so low and shameless.

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Anonymous wrote:The old Harvey girl is super traumatized that a zany director was allegedly crass and raunchy? Yeah, sure.

It’s just one picture! Actually more like dozens and dozens of photos from years and years of events.

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Anonymous wrote:As I said earlier, it's okay to dislike Blake Lively and still be aghast at how Baldoni treated her and the other women on set.

This exaggerated crap registers at about a 1 maybe 2 out of 10 on the Hollywood degeneracy scale. There’s no there there. And what precisely do you all mean by “he should have settled”? Was or is this some sort of financial shake down? Is she trying to muscle a cut of the $300+ million box office? If he’s such a predator why wouldn’t she want this all on the floor?

It’s ultimately about Reynolds wanting the rights to the books and Justin refusing to sell them. That’s what this is about and always has been.

Way to spin it. Remind me which or firm you work for?

Way to spin what? The obvious motive in this multi million dollar scorched earth smear campaign? What exactly is the “settlement” Mr and Mrs Lively wanted?

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Blake Lively and Jennifer Lawrence were clearly Harvey’s top two girls. Both shoved down audiences’ throats during that same era. Both lovely dovey with him at every award show, every panel discussion, etc.

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Anonymous wrote:I guess the irony is that someone who very clearly slept her way to the top is now outraged that someone is exploiting sex in their career.

None of her exaggerated complaints generate more than an eye roll.

Considering the backlash against Baldoni, you're the only one blowing this off.

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Anonymous wrote:https://variety.com/2024/film/news/blake-lively-justin-baldoni-crisis-pr-harassment-1236258539/ some qoutes for those who don't want to read it all. In short, PR companies are mad at Blake for exposing them.

The source added that “fix-it shops usually employ some cyber warriors who come in to manage chatter, but it’s an unwritten code that you will not hire companies or social media agitators to go out and script a new narrative

“There are two smear campaigns going on here,” said one top studio executive. “One against Lively, and one against the PR people. It doesn’t mean that Jen Abel and Melissa Nathan didn’t do anything wrong, but who sold them out? There’s a code you don’t breach.” Another industry figure frequently involved in high profile conflicts said, “That’s crisis PR talk, right? Everybody talks like that. Everybody loves to talk a big game.”

I am 8:22 (talking about how the PR stuff only bothers me because of the underlying harassment on set).

I actually think one issue with Lively's team coming out hard regarding the PR campaign is that is is *highly* likely, if not guaranteed, that Lively and Reynolds have hired PR teams that have used similar tactics. In fact it's possible their PR team engaged in the exact same strategy against Baldoni when the film was coming out and all the rumors about a rift between them was swirling.

The *effect* of the same campaign against Baldoni will be different because (1) he's not as famous so you will never get the same traction on social media as you will with a smear campaign against someone as high profile as Lively, and (2) we live in a deeply misogynist society, so getting people to hate on an attractive actress is MUCH easier than getting them to hate on an attractive actor/director.

But the tactics are the same. Which is why I find the people acting horrified by what Baldoni's PR team did here are being either disingenuous or very naive. Especially people in the industry acting shocked. What Baldoni is alleged to have done on set is awful (and illegal, and actionable). What his PR team is alleged to have done is honestly pretty run of the mill PR. Yes it is distasteful but if you've ever worked in media or politics, none of it should shock you. This is literally how PR works -- you use manipulative tactics to sway the narrative in favor of your client and, if necessary, against anyone who is making your client look bad. That's literally the whole job.

I really don't care about his PR team and the smear campaign, he STILL HARASSED HER.

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Anonymous wrote:Blake Lively and Jennifer Lawrence were clearly Harvey’s top two girls. Both shoved down audiences’ throats during that same era. Both lovely dovey with him at every award show, every panel discussion, etc.

Who is the victim here? Is it Weinstein or the women he slept with?

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Anonymous wrote:The old Harvey girl is super traumatized that a zany director was allegedly crass and raunchy? Yeah, sure.

It’s just one picture! Actually more like dozens and dozens of photos from years and years of events.

Sweetheart, do you know HOW MANY ACTRESSES are, as you call them, "Harvey Girls". I bet some of your absolute favorites are, too.

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Anonymous wrote:The narrative Blake seems desperate to change is that she’s talentless, tone deaf, and cruel and treats plebs poorly. And as we saw with Mrs Legend it’s difficult to hawk things like shampoo and pots and pans to proles when they all can’t stand you.

It seems all these aging washed up actresses and models want to create aspirational lifestyle brands like Selena Gomez and Jessica Alba to grift Wall Street billions. To do that you need to be very charismatic and likable, which is a struggle for some…

Just say you hate women. Are you a man who knows these women would never give you the time of day? Or are you just a woman insanely jealous of better looking richer women?

Blake, is that you?! Put the Aviation gin down and go play with your kids.

You are obviously one of Ms. Nathan's paid trolls.

"Ms. Nathan soon floated proposals to hire contractors to dominate social media through “full social account take downs,” by starting “threads of theories” and generally working to “change narrative.”

“All of this will be most importantly untraceable,” she wrote.

That PP is so obvious about it. Claims to know nothing about any of this then rattles off the smear campaign talking points.

You’re gaslighting. Look, most of the public, including me, has no freaking clue who that producer actor man is. Most of the public never saw this movie they were in together. And yet, most of the public simply dislikes Blake Lively. People can think for themselves. People trust their gut and instincts. She simply doesn’t seem like a nice person, she can’t act to save her life, and she’s been shoved in our faces for 20 years as this supposed it girl. It all feels extremely fake, like she benefitted from a lot of insider help. And this new scorched earth victim campaign pivot as she approaches 40 years old isn’t going to change anyone’s mind about her. Hollywood is a sleazy place and the public simply doesn’t care. In case you weren’t aware, normal Americans can’t afford groceries right now and their student loans have to be repaid. Nobody gives a damn about some filthy rich arrogant actress. And it obviously doesn’t help that she and her husband are also obnoxious common opportunists.

I think both of these things are true. It is clear a lot of people have problems with Blake just because of all the over exposure and things lately. But the smear campaign took advantage of this. I feel like they lit a match and people just piled on. But I think without them, it wouldn’t have been as bad. They’re definitely would’ve been backlash, I mean there was backlash against her even being cast in this role from the start. But it wouldn’t have been this bad.

DP. I honestly only care about the smear campaign because it turns out Baldoni was harassing Lively in set and creating a hostile work environment. If they'd merely had a mutually bad work relationship and Baldoni had pulled the same PR tricks, I wouldn't care because I do think the capitalized on true things about Lively -- she can be super entitled, she's not a particularly talented actress, her fame was largely the product of being one of "Harvey's girls."

But once I heard about the harassment allegations, my attitude changed. If Baldoni was behaving that way on set, and the smear campaign was designed to discredit Lively so no one would believe her, that's disgusting.

The PR stuff only matters because if the harassment. Without the harassment, the PR stuff is just part of the usual PR game in Hollywood.

For me it's also the way they talked about her. They hate her so bringing her down was really for their own enjoyment. Not to save Justin.

Plus they debated about which negative stores to plant. They didn't want anyone to find out about the fat shaming or sexual inappropriateness that happened on set. So they posted a bunch of crap about her being hard to work with. Meanwhile JB wanted to be the hero so asked them to only post things about him being a DV crusader. What a loser.

That's an extremely normal PR move (deciding to plant stories strategically in ways that will best position your client).

In terms of the PR folks, their error was in taking on a client who had done something as bad as what Baldoni had done on set. Though it's possible they didn't believe it or chose to believe the truth was more muddy. That's common in PR.

Most likely they were approached like this by Baldoni's team: "A famous actress and her Uber-famous husband are trying to smear Baldoni in the press and allege a bunch of harassment charges that they can't prove and didn't happen (or if they did happen are more understandable in context) and we need to fight back in the press by undermining the moral authority of the actress." If that's your brief, then what about what they did is wrong, exactly? Lively really did do that interview where she mean girl-ed the interviewer with Parker Posey. She really did benefit from having her career built by Harvey Weintstein and then stayed mum when all the allegations about him came out.

It's not like they planted fake stories. They reminded people of the least appealing things about Lively (relentlessly and using planted posters on sites like Reddit and maybe even DCUM).

People trying to make this about the PR people are missing the forrest for the trees. That's just how PR works and those people were just doing their jobs for a client who paid them money.

And it's only awful if Baldoni harassed Lively. If he didn't, this is just what people in Hollywood do for leverage and power, and Lively/Reynolds do the exact same stuff. This is just how the PR machine works. I'd love to see the texts and emails from Lively's PR team over the years. If you think this Baldoni stuff is bad, I guarantee you'd be horrified by that too.

So why are the PR people acting shocked and horrified? Eh, it was just business!

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Anonymous wrote:As I said earlier, it's okay to dislike Blake Lively and still be aghast at how Baldoni treated her and the other women on set.

This exaggerated crap registers at about a 1 maybe 2 out of 10 on the Hollywood degeneracy scale. There’s no there there. And what precisely do you all mean by “he should have settled”? Was or is this some sort of financial shake down? Is she trying to muscle a cut of the $300+ million box office? If he’s such a predator why wouldn’t she want this all on the floor?

It’s ultimately about Reynolds wanting the rights to the books and Justin refusing to sell them. That’s what this is about and always has been.

Way to spin it. Remind me which or firm you work for?

Way to spin what? The obvious motive in this multi million dollar scorched earth smear campaign? What exactly is the “settlement” Mr and Mrs Lively wanted?

Are smear campaigns routine or not? Is it only ok when men try to smear women?